Newbie 1916: Epic Music [Game Over!]

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 1.1

CatStar (2): LewisMCYoutube, Skellen

[L-3]
Clemency (1): teacher
Birdy (1): CatStar
LewisMCYoutube (1): roomy
Skellen (1): Emperor flippyNips
roomy (1): TemporalLich

Not Voting (2): Birdy, Clemency

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-02-18 11:05:00)

Spoiler: Vote Change Tracker/Vote Links Day 1

teacher -> Clemency
CatStar -> Birdy
LewisMCYoutube -> CatStar
roomy -> LewisMCYoutube
Emperor flippyNips -> Skellen
TemporalLich -> roomy
Skellen -> CatStar

Spoiler: Wagon Change Tracker Day 1

CatStar (0+2): LewisMCYoutube, Skellen
Clemency (0+1): teacher
Birdy (0+1): CatStar
LewisMCYoutube (0+1): roomy
Skellen (0+1): Emperor flippyNips
roomy (0+1): TemporalLich

Note: Birdy hasn't confirmed their role pm yet. They have till (expired on 2019-02-10 11:20:00) to do so.

[teacher]

@flippy - why skellen over people you had played with/people who had posted?

@clem - which of you is showing up?

[Clemency]

showing up?

[CatStar]

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

1. One game on here, finished.
2. A bit paranoid
3. Don't know
4. Trying to split town, pushing reads without backing them up, engaging in lots of non game speculation... basically being present without advancing town wincon and causing confusion

[teacher]

showing up?

To steal from loop, memey or slightly effortful (or depends on the day)

[Clemency]

well newbies is usually where i try more

[Emperor flippyNips]

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

1.I have played a handful of times in person and have been on the site a couple months.
2.as town I’m observant and wait for people to slip, & ask questions
3.as scum I try to start a wagons
4. I think what gives scum away is trying a little too hard. But it’s situational, I’ve seen town try way to hard before.

I feel like I’ve taken awhile to get to this I’m on a mini vacation till Monday. I’ll try to do my catching up in the mornings or at night. Or any other times I find to hop on here

[Emperor flippyNips]

@flippy - why skellen over people you had played with/people who had posted?

@clem - which of you is showing up?

I just like to vote people that haven’t been voted yet in my RVS

[roomy]

@teacher -- what's your experience been with clem?

[roomy]

it strikes me as odd that some answers to the scumtell question are themed around scummy = playing like bad town (e.g. "being present without advancing town wincon" / having incomprehensible play). especially in a newbie game, this seems like a dangerous line of thinking; scum can play like legibly good town, and town players can lurk / be unhelpful / not explain reads.

[teacher]

@teacher -- what's your experience been with clem?

1 game - Newb 1909. That's my last completed game, played while I was on winter break. He was a good town player as PR there, but someone with more experience suggested that the effort was a slight deviation from the mean of being memey and nullish, so I wanted to structure my expectations according to his response and commitment here.

Congrats on earning an early town read for yourself, the first out of null either way for me.

[teacher]

@flippy - why skellen over people you had played with/people who had posted?

@clem - which of you is showing up?

I just like to vote people that haven’t been voted yet in my RVS

Not sure that answers my question. I hadnt been voted yet when you RVSed, so again, why not vote me? Also, I found this odd:

I think what gives scum away is trying a little too hard.

Last game I played with you, you and the other scum were mostly silent. Plus, there you said you didnt really know how to scumhunt. I'm wondering when you acquired this purported tell (can you show me?), and it also amplifies my question of why you wouldnt vote me -- a player you knows falls into the try-hard category. So sell me on town!flippy when youre off break, otherwise I might think youre cursed to always roll scum in the newbqueue

[Skellen]

@flippy - why skellen over people you had played with/people who had posted?

Even although the question was addressed at flippy, why would it matter if he doesn't vote people he has played with? And if it is a bothersome thing to vote people who hadn't posted yet, why are you not addressing this then to CatStar too who is the only one who is still voting the one player who hasn't even picked up his role PM according to Frozen?

PEdit: Ah, you probably didn't do the latter because you have some history with flippy and Clem going by your recent post and thus only addressed them. But still.

I just like to vote people that haven’t been voted yet in my RVS

I already wondered about this last game kind of, but why not voting people who already have one vote? If we all circle vote ourselves we are basically back at start, just with everyone having one vote instead of zero. If the point of RVS is to get people talking or pressure them, then particularly the latter seems pointless to me with that mindset.

[teacher]

@37
I do think RVS serves a point, one I will talk about after RVS if you remind me - I dont want to undermine it now by explaining how I use it. In response to your direct question, I dont mind voting people who havent voted as much. But people do tend to vote people they know, as a way of semi-friendly greeting. So I found Flippy's vote in particular odd, in a way I didnt find CatStar's (whose vote was consistent with that rule of thumb). On your general point, several players encourage RVS to become random wagonning stage, so you can get data on how people react under pressure and who joins/pushes against. I dont have views either way.

Also, I only addressed Flip + clem with questions because they are SEs and I wanted to give all newbs time to answer my general experience questions and get acclimated before I start drilling.

[Clemency]

i like skellen
skellen's cool

[Clemency]

i'm pocketing skellen and teacher this game thanks

[TemporalLich]

A lack of confidence, dishonesty, or seemingly having something to hide are probably scumtells, but I'm just a newbie.

[roomy]

@clem — what was your experience like with teacher?

[Birdy]

Here to confirm my presence. I see there's a bit of discussion going on already. See you all tomorrow.

[Skellen]

@37
I do think RVS serves a point, one I will talk about after RVS if you remind me - I dont want to undermine it now by explaining how I use it. In response to your direct question, I dont mind voting people who havent voted as much. But people do tend to vote people they know, as a way of semi-friendly greeting. So I found Flippy's vote in particular odd, in a way I didnt find CatStar's (whose vote was consistent with that rule of thumb). On your general point, several players encourage RVS to become random wagonning stage, so you can get data on how people react under pressure and who joins/pushes against. I dont have views either way.

I see, I will admit I am not that familiar with those RVS tendencies, but I get your stance in this matter and I see where you are going with it so I am fine with that.

Ah, I think you misunderstood my statement about RVS a little bit. Or I phrased it poorly, whatever. It wasn't meant as general question. I don't deny the point in RVS and there can be some merit to it, I actually agree with what you said. I was more challenging flippy's attitude only to vote people who haven't been voted yet.

While I am at it and I can't find anything on the wiki about that an IC question: Is pocketing only something done by scum or is it independent from the alignment? To be frank I almost snapvoted Clem for #40 due to past game experience where it was always associated with scum play.

And since we are talking about Clem and RVS and you are familiar with him. What do you think of him keeping himself away from RVS so far? What makes him different from flippy who you criticize for not voting you but someone else while Clem simply doesn't vote?

[roomy]

@skellen — why not snap vote clem?

also, what is “pocketing” am I missing something ? just like buddying or something else

[Skellen]

@skellen — why not snap vote clem?

also, what is “pocketing” am I missing something ? just like buddying or something else

Which is exactly why I asked first as I am not so sure about it myself. I guess kind of like buddying, I learned that it the way that scum attempts to get with a town player at such good terms that the townie finally starts to advocate for said scum. It's just that blatant by Clem.

[TemporalLich]

UNVOTE: roomy

roomy and Skellen currently strike me as soft town.

[teacher]

While I am at it and I can't find anything on the wiki about that an IC question: Is pocketing only something done by scum or is it independent from the alignment? To be frank I almost snapvoted Clem for #40 due to past game experience where it was always associated with scum play.

And since we are talking about Clem and RVS and you are familiar with him. What do you think of him keeping himself away from RVS so far? What makes him different from flippy who you criticize for not voting you but someone else while Clem simply doesn't vote?

Im jumping a bit back in the thread just to capture both questions.

1. Pocketing as an actual thing can only come from scum. It means to give town (generally leaders/influences) town reads in the hope of receiving the same. But as you noted later in thread, Clem's explicit use of the word in 40 is "just that blatant." Put another way, it is too blatant to be a scumslip, at least from a player as good as Clem. His use of it here is a NAI joke consistent with the personality in his avatar. I took it as a way of sharing a townread on you and me with the board, but not as informative of his own alignment.

2. I wont get AI indicative data on pressuring Clem. He will just joke it off. Flippy I might learn something from. Clem will join wagons when asked to, but tends to withhold his real views until wagons actually start smelling like they might lead to rope.

[teacher]

Since our fearless leader seems to be on in my early AM, Im just going to post this in case she wants a pagetop.