Mafiascum.net

In post 724, Persivul wrote:@urap: If you want my thoughts, don't misrep me.

What if I want your vote?

In post 724, Persivul wrote:@urap: If you want my thoughts, don't misrep me.

I apologize for misrepping you - where was it?

And I do want your thoughts but I'm not going to beg for them.

This is the biggest olive branch I have

Btw pers, that chennisden vote from urap doesn’t soften my reads. He’s pushing me for non-sense and when we both refuted his case he just kept on accusing me for my mind set. But even if you’re true, then chennis should be a safer lynch than urap, at least at the moment.

In post 725, scum reading wrote:

In post 724, Persivul wrote:@urap: If you want my thoughts, don't misrep me.

What if I want your vote?

Make a solid case.

I have though

Are you calling my case trash? I’ll quote it again and maybe you’ll see what I see

In post 510, scum reading wrote:Actually, we ahould lynch chennis today because if he’s town and he’s alive by day 3, town will most likely mislynch

VOTE: chennisden

In post 550, scum reading wrote:I’ve decided on a lynch and I’m never moving my vote, I promise, I’ll be consistent, I’d like some pressure on chennis and I’ll give my reasoning after he’s at L-2, I wanna see something

In post 576, scum reading wrote:Imagine this is LyLo boys and gals, options are me and chennisden, let’s see how this plays out

In post 669, scum reading wrote:VOTE: urap2

In post 700, scum reading wrote:VOTE: chennisden

What made you change your mind for a brief moment in 669?

In post 730, scum reading wrote:Are you calling my case trash? I’ll quote it again and maybe you’ll see what I see

No, it's not trash. I think I've made a solid case on him too. I'm chilling and studying other people while waiting for input from zeito and skell.

In post 677, chennisden wrote:

In post 629, u r a person 2 wrote:chenn he's just scum. it's clear as day.

he was getting heat when I came in, and I gave him a lifeline. He just had a successful scum game, and I'm sure he felt his partner wasn't pulling their weight d1, and so he jumped on the bus when I pushed ASC with the fake claim plan.

It worked out, and now he feels like he's pushing the game to the win the same way he did in the last game

oh well.

skellen, what do you get out of my post on him earlier? Interested to hear when you get back to the thread

agreed

going to see if anyone has voted him - if not, i will

What's wrong with voting with someone else, especially considering how you didn't feel like voting me on your own at the start of the game.

In post 731, TheASC wrote:

In post 510, scum reading wrote:Actually, we ahould lynch chennis today because if he’s town and he’s alive by day 3, town will most likely mislynch

VOTE: chennisden

In post 550, scum reading wrote:I’ve decided on a lynch and I’m never moving my vote, I promise, I’ll be consistent, I’d like some pressure on chennis and I’ll give my reasoning after he’s at L-2, I wanna see something

In post 576, scum reading wrote:Imagine this is LyLo boys and gals, options are me and chennisden, let’s see how this plays out

In post 669, scum reading wrote:VOTE: urap2

In post 700, scum reading wrote:VOTE: chennisden

What made you change your mind for a brief moment in 669?

I had a scum team formed in my mind : chennis and urap and it still stands until I’m proven otherwise, I wanted to vote urap but then he suddenly grew balls, even though his cases are still meh, chennis is a safer push because of the case I made. I am sus of urap because he wanted to throw shade on you and persivul and the best reason is that neither of us was nked, which is sus, so that scenario would fit, but I could be wrong. I’m 80% sure on urap and 100% on chennisden. Lurkers are making me doubt my read on urap, but chennisden is confscum for me. Moreover, persivul pointed urap voting chennis, which made me re-think and got to the conclusion that the safest lynch for today would be chennisden. I still think chennis and urap are the scum team, but what persi pointed out came as interesting to me. Plus, if we are in a world where persivul and chennis are scum, it makes sense for him to defend me and try to redirect my vote on to urap. I don’t like being pushed around and told what to do, I don’t like being influenced into taking a decision. Persi told me to up urap instead of chennisden, but now he’s saying that a urap - chennisden team isn’t likely to be the scum team, which makes me even more confused. Anyway, chennisden -> caught scum

Also, the fact that Persivul isn’t as aggressive as he usually is with his votes, it makes me re-think his alignment..

In post 734, scum reading wrote:I wanted to vote urap but then he suddenly grew balls, even though his cases are still meh

this is a good reason for scum to avoid pushing something, for sure. not for town tho =/

In post 734, scum reading wrote:I am sus of urap because he wanted to throw shade on you and persivul and the best reason is that neither of us was nked, which is sus, so that scenario would fit, but I could be wrong.

This isn't even close to being based in reality - No where in my iso will you find me arguing that either of you are scum because of a lack of night kill. This is just blatant lying.

and shock of all shocks - i push him for his unreal confidence and so now he's confused (but not confused enough to actually reconsider his reads, just to give lip service)

In post 735, scum reading wrote:Also, the fact that Persivul isn’t as aggressive as he usually is with his votes, it makes me re-think his alignment..

Two factors:

Yesterday
Mod's on VLA. Need a VC.

1. You have thrown shade at ASC
2. You have thrown shade on persivul
3. That nk is from my pov, I didn’t say you said it. Neither of us being nked raises suspicion on you . The teacher kill was weird. You didn’t want me dead because I locked you as town, sike, get baited

In post 736, u r a person 2 wrote:i push him for his unreal confidence

Personally I find your confidence to be stronger than his. That's part of my problem with you.

Unfortunately, SR said above he doesn't like being pushed around, and neither do I. So, I know that to some extent I'm biased against you for your playstyle.

In post 739, Persivul wrote:

In post 736, u r a person 2 wrote:i push him for his unreal confidence

Personally I find your confidence to be stronger than his. That's part of my problem with you.

Unfortunately, SR said above he doesn't like being pushed around, and neither do I. So, I know that to some extent I'm biased against you for your playstyle.

my confidence and his confidence have no bearing on one another? I'm showing a difference between his town game and his scum game. not his game and my game.

In post 738, scum reading wrote:1. You have thrown shade at ASC
2. You have thrown shade on persivul
3. That nk is from my pov, I didn’t say you said it. Neither of us being nked raises suspicion on you . The teacher kill was weird. You didn’t want me dead because I locked you as town, sike, get baited

the teacher kill, if it indicates anything at all, is indicative of you and asc being scum

Urap, you’re getting killed regardless, but I’m focusing on chennis who’s confscum for me. You getting into a 1v1 with me is suicidal, that’s why I think you’re just town that is focused on the good people rather than the bad people. Your reason for pushing me was trash, ngl, you only picked on my mind set and meta, nothing relevant from this game, any other thing you’ve brought up was refuted. I don’t want to focus on you, chennisden was my first vote and I said I’m not moving it, we lynch him and when he flips scum, you’ll be the next. There’s no reason to push you because I’m 5 times more confident in chennis scum than scum you, his flip will tell you something and we’ll see if you’ll change your attitude and stop tunneling like a little prick. If you’re town, you’re doing a really bad job. You’re the next lynch after chennis, I assure you. We’ll have that 1v1. Just not today. I don’t want to risk a town mislynch.

You wanting to 1v1 me is suicidal, like I said, which is why I don’t want to do it with you. As a scum, I believe you have some degree of intelligence to not get into a fight with someone like me, especially considering that you’ll most likely get lynched after my flip.

In post 740, u r a person 2 wrote:

In post 739, Persivul wrote:

In post 736, u r a person 2 wrote:i push him for his unreal confidence

Personally I find your confidence to be stronger than his. That's part of my problem with you.

Unfortunately, SR said above he doesn't like being pushed around, and neither do I. So, I know that to some extent I'm biased against you for your playstyle.

my confidence and his confidence have no bearing on one another? I'm showing a difference between his town game and his scum game. not his game and my game.

As a scum, I’m more of a lurker. That branch mafia thing doesn’t prove shit, I had a reason to be vocal because I had a reason to push and I didn’t really care about the game as me and DT were already being heavily scum read, so I was just having fun. That’s why meta is a double-edged sword and people that don’t know how to use it shouldn’t use it. Period. Meta is so shit.

Like, you’re a god damn lunatic if you want to get into a 1v1 with me.

In post 740, u r a person 2 wrote:I'm showing a difference between his town game and his scum game.

I've quoted posts of yours where you seemed to town read him for other reasons than meta, i.e. his play in this actual game at hand. Hell, you said he should be posting in green. I don't buy that that was all based on meta. That smells like bullshit. Again, I don't think you've adequately explained your change in read on him.

Lurkers, mind helping us out, or are you going to let this phase end up with a no-lynch?

In post 745, Persivul wrote:

In post 740, u r a person 2 wrote:I'm showing a difference between his town game and his scum game.

I've quoted posts of yours where you seemed to town read him for other reasons than meta, i.e. his play in this actual game at hand. Hell, you said he should be posting in green. I don't buy that that was all based on meta. That smells like bullshit. Again, I don't think you've adequately explained your change in read on him.

some of it was bluster because i defend my town reads

and yes there was some on play - thought processes and being active when the game was at a lull iirc - but the thought processes fit in my new understanding of his scum game, and the activity is probably personality indicative

and im not really concerned about building a coherent progression on any of my reads as town, ever. I'm concerned with correctly lynching scum

if you want me to respond to something else directly, pers, please requote it because i don't remember the post you're talking about

In post 748, u r a person 2 wrote:if you want me to respond to something else directly, pers, please requote it because i don't remember the post you're talking about

You managed to respond to the posts just before and after these. I'll add some emphasis.

In post 661, Persivul wrote:

In post 331, u r a person 2 wrote:

In post 260, teacher wrote:

In post 257, GrandWazoo wrote:@teacher
All the more reason to vote SR. Why aren't you voting SR?

Im willing to hammer him, but think his continued presence helps town regardless of his alignment. He is keeping the game active and forcing stances -- creating more alignment indicative information. There are other reasons as well, but I think he benefits town by being present in day 2.

I swear if this game ever lynches scum reading I will go on a long, cathartic (for me) rant in post game

he's so obviously town, he might as well post in green text

I don't read this as merely based on meta.

In post 662, Persivul wrote:

In post 388, u r a person 2 wrote:The SR read is partially meta. This game and his scum game are night and day.

Also, his frustration levels all the way through the second half of this game tracked to me as super genuine. You can see where your posts really enraged him, and other times where he's still frustrated, but less so. I buy it. Third, in a game with this level of activity, trying to keep the game moving is a town-tell. It really is, and it is for obvious reasons.

seriously, this never, ever, ever flips scum