Open 712: Elemental Large (Mafia win)

[JimmyUrineMoneyShot]

So there had to be at least one scum on that wagon, and my vote is mathdino. Shad and ausuka, is there a reason you didn't vote?

[Mathdino]

So there had to be at least one scum on that wagon, and my vote is mathdino. Shad and ausuka, is there a reason you didn't vote?

There already was one scum on the wagon. It was Jay.

What makes you believe there was more scum on a doc wagon?

[Sando]

Well Flavourleaf was right I guess, his lynching did end up proving and proccing the backup...

Still happy with Shadpearl for scum for reasons stated.

TGP got to L-1 and didn't bother claiming or even hinting it

No he didn’t, his last post was saying he was replacing out, and he was at L-2. The post before that he was at L-5 (4 votes). Of course he didn’t fucking claim or hint at it. A50 seems to have a compulsion to lie about votecounts, and when that lie is used to ML a PR...

Happy to leave him alive for now since he's outed, but this is getting ridiculous.

[Mathdino]

I mean if anyone counterclaims him he's immediately confirmed scum or lying.

[texcat]

First glance suggests Taly's entire push on Jay was mad distancing. No canvassing for votes, explicitly stated it was a pressure vote to get Jay to do something. I don't actually think his case on Jay was alignment indicative.
VOTE: Taly

My first glance suggested that Taly might be the SK.

[Creature]

Told ya SK had to kill scum.

[Creature]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

That's hammer. Why hold off the inevitable?

Scummy hammer.

[Mathdino]

You think Taly pressure-pushes Jay for half the day and then kills his scumread? SK crosskilling doesn't actually benefit them in a setup this large imo.

I'm don't think SK hunting is the most effective thing we could be doing, unless there's someone that would hilariously obviously benefit from Jay being dead (honestly literally anyone who hasn't played with him before might think this).

[Creature]

SK hunting rn is shitty and we should hope SK dies before we're left with only the SK.

[Mathdino]

I mean SK hunting in my experience is a scumtell that actually works tbh.

Ironically, a scum death has done very little to actually help broaden my townpool.

[Sando]

As for the game currently, my reads are up in the air at the moment.

You pushed TGP hard and over your other reads because the flip gave you more information...now you're "up in the air"?

Um, yeah? I'm stating why I feel a flip from TheGoldenParadox would be more telling based off already stated knowledge.

I think TheGoldenParadox's lynch would give a lot more information.

[Almost50]

I should've seen that one coming when Jay freaked out at the arrival of Dino

Dino officially not Mafia (NO PUNS) LOOOL

I've got a sinking feeling it's Shad+Jimmy, yo

VOTE: Shadpearl

[Ausuka]

Hi.

Happy that

Jay's

gone, he didn't truly contribute to the game and it's funny to think that the SK took him out.

You're only happy to see Jay gone because of no contribution to the game? That's just strange, Taly. Strange indeed.

^This seems like a scum point to push.

[Ausuka]

So there had to be at least one scum on that wagon

Why's that? There didn't even have to be 1. Now that JDK's flipped scum the "there's another scum on FL" line seems really strange.

So Shad and ausuka, is there a reason you didn't vote?

Yeah, because you stole my hammer.

[Shadpearl]

Alright, now. I would really, really like to say that I read that GoldenParadox reveal and was calmly like:

Spoiler:

But, in all honesty, it was a whole lot more:

Spoiler:

I WAS FRICKIN' RIGHT! >:D HA! *cackles madly* EVEN IF THAT IS MY ONLY SUCCESS THIS GAME I DON'T CARE!

I WAS RIGHT!

*deep breath* Ahh. Alright. Now. Moving on-

Almost50 didn't die, and neither did Dino and, tbh that makes me not really trust either of you guys. >_>; Nothing should be scarier to scum than those who can take charge and hunt them down. So either one of you got lucky with an elemental doctor (Which clearly isn't the case with 2 dead) or I feel like something is screwy. Taly goes down the same path (being possibly more suspicious since she easied up AFTER we got a wagon going). Before Jay got killed, he (she?) posted "people of interest" with Almost50, Flavor, Dino, and Jimmy listed. I'd bet one could be a buddy but not two. So if one pops up scum on that list, I'd probably want to leave the rest alone. Naming both of your other partners in one post would be suicide, not distancing.

Uhmmmmmm I think that's all I'm smart enough to deduce, lol.

Also

...
VOTE: Shadpearl

Nope.

Nope, I'm sorry. I was right and nothing will ruin that for me, lmao. Check back when I'm wrong later in the game.

[Ausuka]

Shad+Jimmy

Yeah, that's where I'm at rn.
VOTE: Shadpearl

[Ausuka]

Nope.

Nope, I'm sorry. I was right and nothing will ruin that for me, lmao. Check back when I'm wrong later in the game.

This is bad too. He seems to be trying to get towncred for not voting FL which is Especially since he never really opposed the TGP wagon.

[Ausuka]

But maybe I'm wrong about Creature. Creature, are you the SK?

I just find it weird that you specifically asked for Serial Killer instead of just Scum. Almost like you only have to find the Serial Killer since he's against you, but not the Mafia.

Word games are fun.

Anen was already town but Anen is double town for this.

[Mathdino]

Reading through Lalendra's ISO, finding only 2 things of note.

1. She suspected A50, Shadpearl, and Flavor Leaf. Clearly she suspected A50/Flavor because of their doc claims.

2. Had a weird interaction with Aneninen; I think Anen picked up on her being a doc given his unexplained townread. And given how blatant it was, I'm guessing Jay noticed it (or scum-Anen openly deduced she was a PR and then killed her which would be hilarious/unlikely).

The fact that Shadpearl is using NKA against me and A50 when proper NKA of Lalendra clearly points to him is all sorts of wrong. A50 and I tend to be killed more often when our reads are good. In this case A50 was deathtunneling a doc and I was floundering with like no reads other than "policy lynch Jay" and "Sando/Shadpearl are hardtown".

So yeah I can accept that being alive means my reads were shit:
VOTE: Shadpearl

[Ausuka]

"Now remember kids, that Jay character is a suspicious individual. Always watch his movements closely, alright?"
"Great job kids, now excuse me while I ride the Flavor train for town credibility unnoticed."

"Jay is conf!town because he TOTALLY lead the TGP push without twitching. Ignore he did jackshit for like five days and shitposted continuously."
"DO NOT BLOODY META ME... EVER! I DO NOT HAVE A BLOODY META THAT I ADHERE TO."

"Yeah I got three posts to my name and have barely contributed. Problem?"

Current highlighted players of interest.

I think it's pretty likely that at least one of these players flip scum tbh. And considering how JDK voteparked Almost for literally no reason (and doc-claim shenanigans w/e) it probably isn't him.

... yeah, fair warning too everyone, with how Jimmy here has been I'm not trusting him at ALL. Just getting that out there?

I don't like this either.

[Mathdino]

I have seen JaydragonKing do many things
But I have yet to see him bus unless he has to

[Mathdino]

UNVOTE:
fuck me up this is locktown

i need to check with the mod on something

[Sando]

Almost50 didn't die, and neither did Dino and, tbh that makes me not really trust either of you guys. >_>; Nothing should be scarier to scum than those who can take charge and hunt them down. So either one of you got lucky with an elemental doctor (Which clearly isn't the case with 2 dead) or I feel like something is screwy. Taly goes down the same path (being possibly more suspicious since she easied up AFTER we got a wagon going). Before Jay got killed, he (she?) posted "people of interest" with Almost50, Flavor, Dino, and Jimmy listed. I'd bet one could be a buddy but not two. So if one pops up scum on that list, I'd probably want to leave the rest alone. Naming both of your other partners in one post would be suicide, not distancing.

What part of this is newbie town again?

VOTE: Shadpearl

[profii]

Guess I'm this dayphase's mislynch target

Given we know which team made each NK, are you confident that scum killed Lal to create a mislynch and that she didn't just give off doc vibes.

I've not read Lal's ISO to see if there is some kind of crumb, but I think scum would get really lucky to be in a position to pick a PR target that also creates a mis-lynch, I'd expect them to have to go for 1 agenda or the other (assuming there was a crumb they picked up on ofc)

So the fact you think you've been setup quite early in the game-day, means yours will be the first ISO I review once I get a bit of time, consider this FOS for now.

[profii]

Actually, I’m going to straight up claim. I’m one of the doctors.

Scum optimal strategy is to claim doctor and I STRONGLY disbelieve that Paradox would replace out of a TPR slot.

This.

nothing in lalendra's ISO suggests town
but then again nothing in lalendra's entire career suggests town

is anyone here actually capable of gutreading lalendra

That's going in my sig. And probably not.

Actually, I’m going to straight up claim. I’m one of the doctors.

Yay, more softclaims! Just what this game needed

That's a hard claim....

I really don't think that TGP would have given up so easily as a TPR, the claim isn't easy to disprove, and I don't see town motivation in highlighting the backup doc. Also not comfortable with the "I'm likely doc" followed up by a hard claim, I can't imagine replacing in and not reading the PM before posting. Also think he is trying to lure the tracker into getting a result on him because he plans to manipulate it and somehow convince us that the result makes him town.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Back at L-1.

This was Lal's last post. Following my last post, I dont think this is a mislynch setup.

She call's FL's claim a hard claim, then lynches it anyway, so as scum player could put her up as a lynch candidate probably fairly easily. If she was alive, we obviously wouldn't know she was a doc, even though she probably lynched due to FL hinting around the backup doc role, which probably rang alarm bells.

Lal has also been fairly open about being lynch bait in this game so again, there must have been some kind of crumb/meta whatever for the scum to go this way, surely the scum plan would be to let the town lynch lal naturally over the next few game-days if we get that far.


To play devils advocate against myself, I don't see the breadcrumb in the ISO, I've only played one game with Lal, so I'm not a meta expert either but I think there is enough in this post to say a scum player would likely leave Lal alive for a lynch than feel a need to kill her.

that leaves the idea of scum removing a threat, now Lal's ISO isn't very scum hunty at all, you could potentially suggest she was a bit concerned at the shadpearl slot, but if shadpearl was removing a threat, I don't think Lal was his biggest 1. Unless Shadpearl is trying to be clever and remove his threats in reverse order to confuse us. That will be the next ISO to read with a suspicious mind.

So that's 2 to work on... but maybe later, back to work now and footy later so could be late on tonight before I get a chance.