Open 725: Jungle Republic - Day 5

ceejayvinoya · Post Post #675 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:09 pm

Btw let's all stop speculating on wolf strats pls. Lets not give the wolves a free "How to win Jungle Republic" manual.

Fumuki · Post Post #676 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:12 pm

In post 671, Sando wrote: Yo TW, have your fun with Fumi,
but it's just occurred to me: Why are people so concerned about which scumfaction the person is?
Town are the least likely to care about what faction someone is other than that they're scum, at least while seer is alive and well.

WHY YOU AREN'T GETTING THAT AFTER THAT SEER THING I'M ALMOST SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT MAFIA SANDO?

EXCUSE ME?

PLUS, WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT TOWN SHOULDN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT FACTION THEY LYNCH?

IF WE LYNCH THE WEREWOLVES HERE, IT BECOME NIGHTLESS AND TOWN GAINS 100% CONTROL OF WHO DIES

WATAHELL

You are saying wolf that, wolf that but doesn't realize something SO OBVIOUS IN THE TOWN POV?

YOU'RE KIDDING ME

YOU'VE GOTTA TO BE KIDDING ME

YOU'RE FLIPPING EITHER WOLF OR MAFIA

Sando · Post Post #677 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:12 pm

In post 673, ceejayvinoya wrote:
In post 669, Sando wrote:
In post 659, ceejayvinoya wrote:Ooooh tell me. Is Fumuki wolf?
He's describing sub-optimal wolf play which would equal wolf. But then he seems terribly worried about the NKs coming at Mafia and understands Mafia's play here very well...
Oh you mean he's giving town terrible wolf hunting advice to help them fail? That it?

Well he's saying wolves should be killing mafia overnight, ignoring that while that's true, their actual top priority is the seer. This could be obfuscation of what wolves are actually trying to accomplish and could also play into tomorrow's "hey why'd wolves kill xyz?", but I haven't fully thought that through you.

But then there's other reasons for him being mafia instead, but given your last I'll stop.

ISO · Post Post #678 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:14 pm

In post 671, Sando wrote:
In post 668, Fumuki wrote:TW, we need to heavily disagree here. Sando didn't notice until a minute ago that Mafia has no reason to want to out the Seer. Do you think if he's scum here he would be thinking only about the other team and not what he himself should do?

It makes no sense duckling. There's some probability of him being mafia, but if Sando is scum, he's very likely flipping wolf here.
Yo TW, have your fun with Fumi, but it's just occurred to me: Why are people so concerned about which scumfaction the person is? Town are the least likely to care about what faction someone is other than that they're scum, at least while seer is alive and well.

Am I meant to reply to this? o.0

Sando · Post Post #679 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:15 pm

In post 678, the worst wrote:Am I meant to reply to this? o.0

No just keep it in mind, you and others, Fumu's gone a bit nutso over there, I'll deal with it.

ISO · Post Post #680 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:15 pm

In post 675, ceejayvinoya wrote:Btw let's all stop speculating on wolf strats pls. Lets not give the wolves a free "How to win Jungle Republic" manual.

Can you explain what parts of the setup spec you disagree with?

Fumuki · Post Post #681 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:17 pm

In post 675, ceejayvinoya wrote:Btw let's all stop speculating on wolf strats pls. Lets not give the wolves a free "How to win Jungle Republic" manual.

Ceejay, let me summarize since people aren't getting it:

Town needs to USE THE WEREWOLFS TO KILL MAFIA

It's not a "manual of how to win Jungle Replubic" given to the wolves, I'm clearly saying here that werewolves need to help town kill mafia first, and that mafia needs to help town lynch the wolves.

It's entirely beneficial to town convince both scumteams to first fight themselves off and only afterwards come to fight town. I'm preventing people like Sando, that if wolf, don't fucking town here by killing townies just "because that's what scum do".

WEREWOLVES, KILL, MAFIA, FIRST.

THERE'S NO ARGUING ABOUT IT. IF THEY KILL TOWN IT'S A MAFIA WIN FOR SURE.

Sando · Post Post #682 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:17 pm

In post 676, Fumuki wrote:PLUS, WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT TOWN SHOULDN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT FACTION THEY LYNCH?

So we lynch scum, who's gonna care more about which faction we hit within scum, the faction that ain't scum, or one of the scum factions?

Like...this one is pretty clear cut here.

Sando · Post Post #683 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:18 pm

In post 681, Fumuki wrote:WEREWOLVES, KILL, MAFIA, FIRST.

THERE'S NO ARGUING ABOUT IT. IF THEY KILL TOWN IT'S A MAFIA WIN FOR SURE.

SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER

Fumuki · Post Post #684 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:22 pm

In post 677, Sando wrote:
Well he's saying wolves should be killing mafia overnight, ignoring that while that's true, their actual top priority is the seer.

rope.

rope rope rope rope rope rope rope rope rope.

Sando is getting the rope today thanks everyone.

Let's say that this is the optimal play to werewolves. WHY DID YOU SAY THAT? IT'S THE UNIQUE TOWN POWER ROLE, DON'T MAKE THEM GO AFTER HIM.

But anyway, it's not the seer. If they worry about catching the seer they will very probably hit a fricking ton of townies first. When they get the seer mafia will endgame werewolves. Is it that hard to understand?

WEREWOLVES, DON'T FUCK WITH ME, DON'T GIVE MAFIA A EASY WIN

YOU KILL MAFIA AT NIGHT UNTIL AT LEAST CATCHING 2 MAFIOZOS

DON'T MESS THIS UP THINKING THAT YOU SHOULD "KILL POWER ROLES FIRST".

Sando · Post Post #685 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:24 pm

In post 684, Fumuki wrote:Let's say that this is the optimal play to werewolves. WHY DID YOU SAY THAT? IT'S THE UNIQUE TOWN POWER ROLE, DON'T MAKE THEM GO AFTER HIM.

Rofl, yeah I'm sure it hasn't occurred to wolves to NK the PR...

720 peeps, Fumu would like to make this about who's more different between here and 720, I humbly submit...it aint me.

ManWithNoName · Post Post #686 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:25 pm

I don't care who the werewolves are killing first, I need to lynch mafia and werewolves, and I have no way of telling which scum are which during Day 1, so, can we stop talking about who kills whom first?

I want to lynch werewolves and I want to lynch mafia, and if the werewolves kill the mafia first, that's great because they just make the game easier for me, then.

ISO · Post Post #687 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:25 pm

we lynch ww today
mafia every other day
last ww last

kthx

Fumuki · Post Post #688 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:26 pm

In post 682, Sando wrote:
In post 676, Fumuki wrote:PLUS, WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT TOWN SHOULDN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT FACTION THEY LYNCH?
So we lynch scum, who's gonna care more about which faction we hit within scum, the faction that ain't scum, or one of the scum factions?

Like...this one is pretty clear cut here.

Omg guys, Sando doesn't get this game. I swear that he doesn't.

Mafia in the first place doesn't need to catch the wolves. Because just like you're thinking, I feared that they would think, and I'm making sure that they don't fuck up, they would for some unknown reason think that the Seer/townies are the threat.

IT'S NOTTTT

Mafia can use the Werewolves kill to eliminate town and only afterwards proceed to lynch wolves BECAUSE THE ENDGAME MECHANICS GIVE PRIVILEGE TO MAFIA, IF IT THERE'S ONLY WOLF AND MAFIA, MAFIA WINS

MAFIA IS THE THREAT TO WOLVES

NOT TOWN

WOLVES BY KILLING US IN SEARCH OF THE SEER ARE GIVING MAFIA A EASY WIN

Fumuki · Post Post #689 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:26 pm

In post 687, the worst wrote:we lynch ww today
mafia every other day
last ww last

kthx

DUCKLING, THE MAN

ISO · Post Post #690 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:27 pm

I am gud at muffier

ManWithNoName · Post Post #691 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:28 pm

Then, how do we know who is a WW, and who is a mafia?

Fumuki · Post Post #692 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:28 pm

In post 685, Sando wrote: 720 peeps, Fumu would like to make this about who's more different between here and 720, I humbly submit...it aint me.

I not even played 720, and my play style changed.

Read Red Flag 722, that's my actual town meta.

Read Micro 801, that's my actual scum meta.

ISO · Post Post #693 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:29 pm

We ask

MWNN are you ww or mafia?
Fumuki are you ww or mafia?
Sando are you ww or mafia?

Sando · Post Post #694 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:29 pm

In post 673, ceejayvinoya wrote:
In post 669, Sando wrote:
In post 659, ceejayvinoya wrote:Ooooh tell me. Is Fumuki wolf?
He's describing sub-optimal wolf play which would equal wolf. But then he seems terribly worried about the NKs coming at Mafia and understands Mafia's play here very well...
Oh you mean he's giving town terrible wolf hunting advice to help them fail? That it?

Sorry I can't not talk about wolf, but I can stop talking about the NK cause that's just stupid talk.

The actual part about this that we should be looking for between wolves and scum is avoidance of lynches. I won't say why but it should be reasonably obvious, but wolves are currently petrified of being lynched, and I'd say a D1 wolf lynch results in an almost guaranteed wolf loss. For that reason I'm not convinced Fumu is wolf, it's too out there and too aggressive for a faction that loses so much from a lynch.

Sando · Post Post #695 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:29 pm

In post 693, the worst wrote:MWNN are you ww or mafia?
Fumuki are you ww or mafia?
Sando are you ww or mafia?

Opposite of what Fumu says

Fumuki · Post Post #696 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:30 pm

In post 691, ManWithNoName wrote:Then, how do we know who is a WW, and who is a mafia?

We don't much actually, you can try to guess by the intention of someone that you think that's scum, see if it seems more plausible to come from Wolf or Mafia

However, I've already stated why Sando, if scum here, is very probably wolf.

ISO · Post Post #697 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:30 pm

In post 695, Sando wrote:
In post 693, the worst wrote:MWNN are you ww or mafia?
Fumuki are you ww or mafia?
Sando are you ww or mafia?
Opposite of what Fumu says

KK we lynch sando d2

ManWithNoName · Post Post #698 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:30 pm

In post 693, the worst wrote:We ask

MWNN are you ww or mafia?
Fumuki are you ww or mafia?
Sando are you ww or mafia?

Are these your scum reads? Because they are all pretty bad.

VOTE: the worst

Burden of proficiency says you are scum right now.

Fumuki · Post Post #699 (ISO) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:31 pm

In post 693, the worst wrote:We ask

MWNN are you ww or mafia?
Fumuki are you ww or mafia?
Sando are you ww or mafia?

1. Probably no, I'm town leaning MWNM

2. nope nope nope

3. yes yes yes yes