ya that's basically my point - i don't know why they'd kill a high-draft number over someone who softed a pr very strongly in such a way that basically cc'd scum and got him lynchedIn post 1661, Sando wrote:Not only killed Oka, killed Oka through a doc, it's all over a weird kill.
i was thinking about this game:In post 1664, ofrhz wrote:I think it's towny, but I can't be super sure unless I metadive Bujaber to see if he overreacts like that as town or is capable of that ate as scum.
)also a townie post from myloIn post 1669, Myloninja13 wrote:Hi guys! I've replaced into the same game twice now lol.
after discussing that game with sando and the town-pr thing, does that impact ur read of him here?In post 1674, Myloninja13 wrote:Yeah, it's probably not fair to call you out on differences between this one and that one lol.
I think I'm fine playing PR's (I played one game I'm SUPER proud of where I correctly watched the night kill, got tracked to prove the result and called out mafia. But for some reason I was lynched over obv!Mafia lol), but I do understand hating a type of role lol.
uhhh this might like come off the wrong way. what i mean to say by that is that i feel like the description of cardi's play is that she's, like, VERY logical and thinks inside the box always, if that makes sense? and i feel like she might not necessarily think that way because I think that most people don't and I guess I don't really get that impression. i think it makes more sense to think outside the box there as scum anyway, because like playing totally normally isn't going to win the game in a position like that.In post 1677, Ausuka wrote:are you sure she's all that logical and methodological?
Yeah my impression was that they just try to emulate what they thinkin as town when they scum and vote partners when they think its natural rather than like strategically. Check out this post and this one from them in a scum PT. This game really feel dissonant from that, like they would be bussin strategically bc there was a wagon on vizzy/AP and not bc they thought they were actually scummy at that time. The thing about the light defense on vizzy feel like that also, like ofhrz said that bc they really believed it was nai if theyre scum and woulda kept sayin that instead a jumping on wagonIn post 1676, skitter30 wrote:ok i looked thru ofrhz's scumgames and my thoughts were bascially - can fake townie looking thought-processes to a certain degree and tends to ask a lot of questions and looks like he's active and interacting with other people but doesn't really take a lot of hard stances or really *push* scumreads.
in the first link he bussed his partner after he was caught fake-claiming; had previously listed him as scummy but pushed his other scumreads over him; didn't really interact with his scumbuddy till he bussed him
second - also didn't really interact with his scumpartner; did the cliche 'vote ur scumbuddy in rvs' thing; when making a readlist 'didn't have any innovative thoughts' on his partner - like had some cursory interaction with him but didn't really go anywhere with it
the first linked game was a lot better than the first imo also; second felt kinda forced actually
compared to here - kinda lightly defended vizzy (saying his posting style was nai) - i don't know if he defends partner!vizzy, and i think his scumread on him is kinda organic over time and i can see how it develops based on how vizzy (fails to) interacts with him. also starts off townreading ap, and maintains that during the ap/ausuka/pgo thing ('i'm more inclined to vote vulcan or ap, but also like... not really all that inclined to vote either.' 1051). i feel like scum!him would maybe hop on here but didn't; i kinda got the vibe that he finds it a little too risky to townread his scumpartners from those previous games
and then his actual ap vote is kinda flippant - i feel like ofrhz bussing him here would make more of a show about it almost
Uhhh. I think if you are scum and think you'll be lynched it's p normal to distance from your partners so they look townier when you flip? idkIn post 1679, Cardi B wrote: Somethin to think about as far as me being town n all that:
If yall check out post 5 of his scum topic from the PYP he played like a couple months ago, he says he should be the one getting bussed since hes bad at scum. He picked night 3 vig this time (no way for me to verify he didnt pick vengeful lmao) but he woulda bussed invisibility pretty hard if hes scum, way before invisibility was getting attention.
Yeah that's true but like I think he could easily play like that in one game and play differently in another.In post 1679, Cardi B wrote: In that last PYP he barely mentioned partners at all and never voted one but that's also like par for the course in terms a what town was doin
well i mean yeah. i'm an idiot and i'm terrible at mafia.In post 1679, Cardi B wrote: [Cardi avoids makin eye contact and whatnot with ausuka .... okrr ...]
I can kinda relate to this feeling. I'm still wary of him but simultaneously part of me feels like he's town.In post 1679, Cardi B wrote: I really gotta figure out somethin to do with mylo
i don't get why cardi would do it as town in that case? also i don't get why cardi as scum has to like maintain the cop claim long-term? like, it was never meant to be an actual hard claim I think, and also it's kinda suicidal to keep clearing people as scum there.In post 1680, skitter30 wrote: i dont' know who she is (was thinking nsg but apparently that isn't a thing), but if you strip away the cardi gimmick, her thought process / playstyle / questions that she's asking / mindset kinda reminds me of how i play and how i approach the game, and, like, i would never do that as scum in that position
like some people i can see doing that, no problem - ap, sure, duckling, sure
other people not so much and she's not really fitting into the above category for me
i'm just having a really hard time seeing her do that and chance her game on a failed cop-claim without thinking it through better or like figuring out how to maintain it long-term. it's like it's too ... messy almost, idk. also the way she retracted it - starting the day voting vulcan - i don't know if i see her as scum upon retracting her hypo-inno being ballsy enough to then push that
it would be easier if i knew who she was so i could check her meta, but i can't, so i'm basing it on what i see here
also *independent* of the claim i think she's been really really townie these past couple of days; i feel like she, almost more than anyone else alive right now, is trying to solve the game. like the claim itself is kinda icky and wifom-y as anything but like holistically i just think she's kinda town tbh
and in sando/music/cardi i want to lynch her the least i think
i would feel kinda :/ losing this to scum!cardi and the bad fake-cop claim after having two scum lynches early game
but like idk i don't really think it's her tbh
Yea she ain't playin mafia anymore I thinkIn post 1689, skitter30 wrote:my next guess was going to be katyusha lmao
1. I don't think either of brass / vizzy were really under threat of lynch. And like he didn't do that at all in the other PYPIn post 1690, Ausuka wrote:Uhhh. I think if you are scum and think you'll be lynched it's p normal to distance from your partners so they look townier when you flip? idkIn post 1679, Cardi B wrote: Somethin to think about as far as me being town n all that:
If yall check out post 5 of his scum topic from the PYP he played like a couple months ago, he says he should be the one getting bussed since hes bad at scum. He picked night 3 vig this time (no way for me to verify he didnt pick vengeful lmao) but he woulda bussed invisibility pretty hard if hes scum, way before invisibility was getting attention.Yeah that's true but like I think he could easily play like that in one game and play differently in another.In post 1679, Cardi B wrote: In that last PYP he barely mentioned partners at all and never voted one but that's also like par for the course in terms a what town was doinwell i mean yeah. i'm an idiot and i'm terrible at mafia.In post 1679, Cardi B wrote: [Cardi avoids makin eye contact and whatnot with ausuka .... okrr ...]
I can kinda relate to this feeling. I'm still wary of him but simultaneously part of me feels like he's town.In post 1679, Cardi B wrote: I really gotta figure out somethin to do with myloi don't get why cardi would do it as town in that case? also i don't get why cardi as scum has to like maintain the cop claim long-term? like, it was never meant to be an actual hard claim I think, and also it's kinda suicidal to keep clearing people as scum there.In post 1680, skitter30 wrote: i dont' know who she is (was thinking nsg but apparently that isn't a thing), but if you strip away the cardi gimmick, her thought process / playstyle / questions that she's asking / mindset kinda reminds me of how i play and how i approach the game, and, like, i would never do that as scum in that position
like some people i can see doing that, no problem - ap, sure, duckling, sure
other people not so much and she's not really fitting into the above category for me
i'm just having a really hard time seeing her do that and chance her game on a failed cop-claim without thinking it through better or like figuring out how to maintain it long-term. it's like it's too ... messy almost, idk. also the way she retracted it - starting the day voting vulcan - i don't know if i see her as scum upon retracting her hypo-inno being ballsy enough to then push that
it would be easier if i knew who she was so i could check her meta, but i can't, so i'm basing it on what i see here
also *independent* of the claim i think she's been really really townie these past couple of days; i feel like she, almost more than anyone else alive right now, is trying to solve the game. like the claim itself is kinda icky and wifom-y as anything but like holistically i just think she's kinda town tbh
and in sando/music/cardi i want to lynch her the least i think
i would feel kinda :/ losing this to scum!cardi and the bad fake-cop claim after having two scum lynches early game
but like idk i don't really think it's her tbh
Me either, lynched my biggest town read and biggest scum read in the last two days.In post 1676, skitter30 wrote:sando, i know a lot of what you think about the game from a mechanical/setup spec perspective but i'm not really sure who you're scumreading at this point.
Like, it's me sayin this so take it with a grain of sand n wheva but as town I have solving motivation to do it (might get shot, might getIn post 1693, Ausuka wrote:i mean yeah but like you don't have to be under pressure to distance, scum just like distance for no reason all the time I think, especially if they think they'll get lynched at some point?
and uhhh for the last point that's not really what i meant? it's probably a stupid question but like if it's supposed to be a gambit that you as scum wouldn't do because that's not your style i don't get why you'd do it as town? idk
Cardi is locktowning ausuka and skitter and idr ofhrz's stance exactly but I think she was of that same opinion.In post 1694, Sando wrote:Me either, lynched my biggest town read and biggest scum read in the last two days.In post 1676, skitter30 wrote:sando, i know a lot of what you think about the game from a mechanical/setup spec perspective but i'm not really sure who you're scumreading at this point.
Music/Ausk then Skitter (only thing stopping me here is it means full townlynch of townies the last 2 days), then Cardi/Ohfrz, in order of scumminess.
I'd rather not poison the well too much on the comments around me, so I'm waiting for the protagonists to post tbh.
DoneIn post 1682, skitter30 wrote:i want mylo to post more too
AHHH don't give me paranoia here, if I start conisdering Ausuka!scum then I basically have to look at everyone's ISO's and out effort inIn post 1696, Sando wrote:Invisibility (8) ~ ruru, skitter30, Enigma, OkaPoka, Cardi B, ofrhz, ceejayvinoya, AP,
AP (7) ~ ofrhz, skitter30, Enigma, OkaPoka, Skygazer, Sando, Music,
CJ - Cardi B, vulcan logician, ofrhz, Skygazer, Enigma, Ausuka,
Vulcan - Cardi B, Sando, Ausuka, Skygazer, ofrhz,
Ofrhz has been on every lynch.
Skitter has only lynched scum
Sando is 1-1 with 2 off-wagons
Cardi is 1-2 with 1 off-wagon
Ausuka has lynched 2 town and no scum
Mylo/Bujaber has lynched 1 scum and not been on 3 of the wagons
1 of those stands out there...I'm not sure why we're locktowning someone who's only ever lynched town.
