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Post Post #3350  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 4:52 pm

VOTE: Elements oh the vote has reset
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Post Post #3351  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 4:55 pm

In post 3349, Firebringer wrote:ELEMENTS I DONT BELIEVE FOR A MINUTE YOU THINK WE ARE TEAMMATES WHO DO U THINK IS GOING TO BUY THAT?!?!

why not?

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Post Post #3352  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 4:56 pm

In post 3351, Elements wrote:
In post 3349, Firebringer wrote:ELEMENTS I DONT BELIEVE FOR A MINUTE YOU THINK WE ARE TEAMMATES WHO DO U THINK IS GOING TO BUY THAT?!?!

why not?

because i think objectively its the team that makes the least sense next to u and deimos being on a team
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Post Post #3353  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 5:00 pm

i dont follow as well firebringer... i've townread you all game
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Post Post #3354  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 5:02 pm

In post 3314, Looker wrote:
In post 3271, Isis wrote:im so pocketed rn
In post 3272, Isis wrote:im listening to john mayer and being pocketedddd

What does this mean? Are you saying that you're irrationally siding with a player because you're listening to music? Is it even possible to be pocketed while being aware you're being pocketed?

I think I was drunk when I posted that, but I think listening to john mayer when I didn't really want to and townreading elements when I'm not sure it's right seemed like a metaphor for eachother at the time. I actually hate john mayer and feel like the personality projected by his music is the kind of person I probably wouldn't want to be friends with, there is creeping narcissism, and a world paradigm more boring than he thinks it is. Nonetheless a john mayer song I used to like was stuck in my head and I played a song one time to try to sweat it out

I do think in both cases, cognizance of what is going on doesn't help me.
Listening to the song was a bad choice
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Post Post #3355  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 5:17 pm

Has anyone given a satisfactory reason why I was the cycle man counter wagon that aligns with me being scum?

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Post Post #3356  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 5:19 pm

In post 3322, Looker wrote:Where did you see that town does better with shorter deadlines?

VOTE: Firebringer

There was a mafia discussion thread about newbie queue winrates shifting a large amount on year when the deadlines transitioned to be much shorter
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Post Post #3357  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 5:44 pm

In post 3325, Firebringer wrote:Elements i think could be town, he could have posted that post about his meta and was worried about being modkilled because he was mod killed for claiming he did a trust tell before, which makes me a bit nervous.

I think it's an NAI joke, I think he's worked out that that modkill was a once-in-a-decade awful moderation that doesn't generally happen.
If you want to scumread Elly this game I wouldn't get nervous over that.
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Post Post #3358  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 5:53 pm

I'm caught up now

I like Deimos's wagon analysis. I'm not even sure it's necessary to dock points for too many competing wagons, it's unlikely for dueling wagons to both be scum when there's only two wagons, but in gamestates where there are two scum wagons, going to a third does little harm. I was involved in a game recently where we were counterwagoning scum onto scum (it was green red red but kind of similar).

I mostly feel like HEM is town who is gamethrowing by scumreading me and it's a bit dispiriting. I think I need a lot of guesses at this scumteam because lots of people have projected a lot of towniness this game.
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Post Post #3359  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 5:58 pm

In post 3357, Isis wrote:
In post 3325, Firebringer wrote:Elements i think could be town, he could have posted that post about his meta and was worried about being modkilled because he was mod killed for claiming he did a trust tell before, which makes me a bit nervous.

I think it's an NAI joke, I think he's worked out that that modkill was a once-in-a-decade awful moderation that doesn't generally happen.
If you want to scumread Elly this game I wouldn't get nervous over that.

it was indeed a joke

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Post Post #3360  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 5:59 pm

Elements if I was nullreading you, would you still townread me?
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Post Post #3361  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 6:02 pm

yea I think so

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Post Post #3362  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 6:07 pm

I'm feeling a bit defeated. I don't think my play style is scummy. I think it is what people perceive as scummy.
VOTE: demios

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Post Post #3363  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 6:10 pm

I don't understand what I'm doing that makes me scum more than town. Can someone try and explain it to me please.

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Post Post #3364  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 6:15 pm

I can't :(
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Post Post #3365  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 7:45 pm

VOTE: Looker
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).

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Post Post #3366  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 7:45 pm

Basically POE.

If Looker flips scum, I'm afraid it's FB as his partner.
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).

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Post Post #3367  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 7:47 pm

In post 3336, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Maybe if he flips scum, y'all can give me a solid and lynch Isis. If she flips town, you can lynch me. I don't expect you to agree, but I'm gonna come back with a case anyway.

Also, can we not?

You already said this about Ali.

"If so and so flips town, you can lynch me." is (1) bullshit and (2) anti-town if you're actually town.
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).

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Post Post #3368  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 7:50 pm

In post 3327, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 876, Alisae wrote:Monkey vote Norwee or Cycle Men
GC vote Norwee, you know you want to
Isis vote Norwee

VOTE: Norwee
This wagon is super possible people just need to use their fucking votes

In post 879, humaneatingmonkey wrote:VOTE: NorwEE

Let's go.

Slightly town-AI for HEM. If scum decided against bussing Cycle, it's counterproductive to swap into bussing Norwee.
In post 881, Isis wrote:but he's cute!!!

In post 882, Isis wrote:this doesn't even sort monkey because monkey is town no matter what norwee is

In post 883, Isis wrote:you guys are lame
VOTE: Norwee

Isis's positioning is anti- Norwee lynch so she can easily stay off that wagon without catching any flack. Switching onto Norwee contrary to the scumteam's apparent strategy and contrary to her positioning in the game makes limited sense for a bussing meta and not much sense at all for this gamestate. Probably slightly town-AI.


HEM and Isis get big town points for this. I don't know why you're being so miserly with your town points.
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).

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Post Post #3369  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 7:50 pm

(Everything's made up and the points don't matter!)
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).

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Post Post #3370  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 7:54 pm

In post 3055, Green Crayons wrote:VC 1.31: GC drops from Cycyle to Norwegian, but in my defense I went from one scum to another.

Another thing is that Elements picks up two votes: Cycle (scum) and Ali (town). Flash forward to VC 1.34, and Norwegian (scum) joins to make Elements a competing wagon to Cycle. Suggests Elements isn’t scum, as now Cycle is actually playing so presumably Norwegian is trying to save a buddy.

VC 1.36: Elements comically moves his vote off Cycle (scum), to Ali (town), which makes his wagon tied with Cycle. He then shifts back over several hundred posts later in VC 1.37, only to go back to Ali in VC 1.38.

I say comically, because if he’s town this isn’t a good move just in terms of numbers. If he’s scum? Maybe. No sense in trying to push town to kill a friend on D1 if you can avoid it. So he’s testing the waters on other lynches. Or maybe he’s just town whose befuddled!

I’m really not sold on what to make of this, as for as AI goes for Elements.


VC 1.38 through 1.41, though, I think is very interesting. The competing wagons essentially come down to Elements versus Cycle, with two scum votes on Elements. My reaction is that this would make Elements town.

I mean, of course town can wagon two scum on D1, so it’s not impossible that Cycle and Elements are both scum. It happens! But we already did that with Cycle versus Norwegian. Not to mention, we have two scum on the Elements counterwagon, including Norwegian who tried to put momentum there (VC 1.34).

Elements votes are hella dumb.
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).

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Post Post #3371  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 8:04 pm

Isis-Hem-Elements could win the game except it doesn't because hem just wants to do nothing but lynch townies in exchange for his life
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Post Post #3372  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 8:11 pm

In post 3365, Green Crayons wrote:VOTE: Looker

why is looker scum instead of bad town? also why am i his ally?
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Post Post #3373  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 8:12 pm

lonely tylenol
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Post Post #3374  (ISO)  » Sat May 23, 2020 8:13 pm

A man, a plan, a canal, Panama!
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