Open 807 | Town Win

[Almost50]

The Traitor may give negative results to Cops (that is, they show up like Townies would). This hearkens back to the earliest interpretation of the Traitor, called the Mafia Spy.
The Mafia Spy shows up as Town to Cops, but the Mafia can "call them back" at any time to make them full members of the Mafia at any time. (Obviously, the Mafia would know that the Mafia Spy exists.)

[Something_Smart]

Traitor is not VT. What's not clear about this? Neapolitan gets "VT" on players who are VT and "not VT" on players who are not VT.

That is not how modern traitors work, and neapolitan is not a cop besides. Function-wise it's closer to a rolecop/vanilla cop.

[Almost50]

neapolitan is

not a cop

besides. Function-wise it's closer to a role

cop

/vanilla

cop

.

What??

OK..

@MOD: In this game; if a Neapolitan visits the Traitor (and the Traitor is not recruited), do they get VT or No VT?

[Almost50]

Please nobody hammer the No Elim until the mod responds and I comment on the response, THANK YOU

[Something_Smart]

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

Also, IF S_S is spot on then what tricked me was the "show up like Townies would" as opposed to a simple "show up as Town". The phrasing lead me to believe it was about "various types of results" thus "all types of Cops".

[Scipio1]

then why did you say i was 100% cleared...?

[Scipio1]

ebwop: that was in response to a50 saying that traitor returns as vt

[Almost50]

then why did you say i was 100% cleared...?

I didn't check until now (after implo asked to be checked, so it hit me and went to check the wiki)

[Almost50]

I'll be back in 12-16 hours and then we can decide. (Hopefully the mod will have responded by then)

[implosion]

why would you assume that neapolitan works differently in an open game than it does in normals?

[Almost50]

Because you can't have a Serial Killer in a 13-players Normal. Because you can have Mafia & WWs in a 13-players Open. Because you can have a flipless setup in an Open. Basically because an Open isn't necessar4ily Normal (and often isn't).

[Almost50]

And even if it does then your proposition doesn't make any sense still because Scum won't let me confirm another player's alignment, so I'm the NK 100% of the time.

[Almost50]

Like the only reason one (YOU) would assume I can get a result on them and live to announce it is if I canNOT guilty the Traitor. Otherwise I'm dead any way you slice it.

[implosion]

Great.

I and others are unconvinced you’re town.

You dying tonight accomplishes something.

[Salsabil Faria]

@MOD: In this game; if a Neapolitan visits the Traitor (and the Traitor is not recruited), do they get VT or No VT?

@Almost50

, the result of your visit is not just alignment, but the (exact) role?

[Scipio1]

neo gives either vt or not vt

[Salsabil Faria]

Oh, ok... thanks.

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw

Scipio1

, you didn't tell me why do you scumread

Something_Smart

?

[Rockhopper]

neapolitan is

not a cop

besides. Function-wise it's closer to a role

cop

/vanilla

cop

.

What??

OK..

@MOD: In this game; if a Neapolitan visits the Traitor (and the Traitor is not recruited), do they get VT or No VT?

No VT

[Rockhopper]

VC 4.1

Not voting (5):

Scipio1, Something_Smart, implosion, PookytheMagicalBear, Almost50

No elimination (1):

Salsabil Faria

(expired on 2021-04-23 02:42:37) until deadline

[Scipio1]

I don't, it's just that I was going off the assumption that pooky was scum and pooky/implo interactions don't seem very w/w-y

[Almost50]

neapolitan is

not a cop

besides. Function-wise it's closer to a role

cop

/vanilla

cop

.

What??

OK..

@MOD: In this game; if a Neapolitan visits the Traitor (and the Traitor is not recruited), do they get VT or No VT?

No VT

Ok, then. This is my final case: (No BS, no gimmicks I promise):

Salsa seemed to be the ONLY ONE who KNEW I was bluffing, and was dead certain there were only 2 TPRs and they both flipped:

Umm... after the nk1, it was/is almost cleared that the scum team didn't take any PR role for them (?), which means the town only had 2 PRs those are already dead. I don't even understand what role you claimed but nice try you know!

She has also expressed confusion about the Nea and how it works (and was confused about the setup mechanics in early game, which leads me to believe she's inexperienced).

Now ask yourselves why she unvotes me and votes No Elim when I am explicitly stating a guilty on her slot. She suspected me and voted me in her first post, but when I said I had a guilty on her she no longer suspects me???????

Even her latest question about my role:

@Almost50, the result of your visit is not just alignment, but the (exact) role?

doesn't make sense from a Town PoV. I am saying I have a GUILTY on her, she was resigned to the fact she got caught and went for the No Elim, but when she got confused she went back to questioning how it worked (thus showing BELIEF in my claim).

I RETRACT MY FAKE CLAIM. I AM A VT.

<<-- @Scipio

I was trying a last-ditch gambit to catch scum because we are going nowhere and seem to be drifting towards a town loss anyway.

Now someone does the math, see how it all works from their own PoV. My vote is on Salsa and won't move. You guys do what you think is best.

VOTE: Salsa

[Almost50]

I see my case is poorly phrased as always. I am relying on those who know me though to understand it. You've seen my gibberish before and could decipher it with some precision.

[Something_Smart]

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