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Post Post #1950  (ISO)  » Sat May 15, 2021 7:45 pm

In post 1948, Dunnstral wrote:I thought about it some more and it made sense to me to keep the keep around so we had more people to talk to

What do you mean by more people to talk to?
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Post Post #1951  (ISO)  » Sat May 15, 2021 7:57 pm

Catboi, I don't know if you mentioned it but I looked back on the way votes went D1.

Which was

Me (The Wall) -> Briar (The Keep) -> Ana (The Keep) and then You (The Gate).

What was your reason to go into the gate if you were townreading Briar? Which I'm pretty sure you stated you were.
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Post Post #1952  (ISO)  » Sat May 15, 2021 8:02 pm

In post 1950, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1948, Dunnstral wrote:I thought about it some more and it made sense to me to keep the keep around so we had more people to talk to

What do you mean by more people to talk to?


Having ana and briar to discuss the gate and wall with

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Post Post #1953  (ISO)  » Sat May 15, 2021 8:26 pm

In post 1951, unwnd wrote:Catboi, I don't know if you mentioned it but I looked back on the way votes went D1.

Which was

Me (The Wall) -> Briar (The Keep) -> Ana (The Keep) and then You (The Gate).

What was your reason to go into the gate if you were townreading Briar? Which I'm pretty sure you stated you were.


forgetting me. smh

Unwnd (The Wall) -> Briar (The Keep) -> Ana (The Keep) -> Luke (The Wall) -> Then Absinthe(The Gate)
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Post Post #1954  (ISO)  » Sat May 15, 2021 8:29 pm

In post 1952, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1950, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1948, Dunnstral wrote:I thought about it some more and it made sense to me to keep the keep around so we had more people to talk to

What do you mean by more people to talk to?


Having ana and briar to discuss the gate and wall with


But wouldn't doing the Gate first mean we lose Absinthe / SS / Catboi to talk about the wall?
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Post Post #1955  (ISO)  » Sat May 15, 2021 8:31 pm

My callout was a specific one Lukewarm, I was just thinking about the early votes
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Post Post #1956  (ISO)  » Sat May 15, 2021 8:34 pm

In post 1954, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1952, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1950, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1948, Dunnstral wrote:I thought about it some more and it made sense to me to keep the keep around so we had more people to talk to

What do you mean by more people to talk to?


Having ana and briar to discuss the gate and wall with


But wouldn't doing the Gate first mean we lose Absinthe / SS / Catboi to talk about the wall?


2 is a bigger number than 1, and between gate/wall it's better to figure out thegate and then win through the keep

Also, keep was already solved in my mind. I wanted opinions on the gate.

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Post Post #1957  (ISO)  » Sat May 15, 2021 8:35 pm

In post 1955, unwnd wrote:My callout was a specific one Lukewarm, I was just thinking about the early votes


I specifically commented because someone else had it the other way around earlier as well

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In post 1196, Dunnstral wrote:Luke jumped to the wall right after absinthe jumped to the keep. Catboi was already at the gate.

Ignore me
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Post Post #1958  (ISO)  » Sat May 15, 2021 9:31 pm

Luke do you want to talk about your theory from last night?

I don't have any huge insights beyond what I said in my wall of quotes.

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Post Post #1959  (ISO)  » Sat May 15, 2021 10:16 pm

In post 1958, absinthe wrote:Luke do you want to talk about your theory from last night?

I don't have any huge insights beyond what I said in my wall of quotes.

Not really. If you don't see it, then I guess I was reading more into it then was really there :/


I think part of the idea came to me from reading Ana's iso
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In post 1570, Anastasia wrote:I think unwnd cares too much about self-preservation at the wall and not enough about getting the 50:50 at the gate right and that feels like a scum mindset to me.

In post 1617, Anastasia wrote:I think a large part of why I scumread Unwnd is that I feel a lot of his play this game has been driven by a desire to preserve his own life rather than to adequately solve for the game.

And that's just a product of game design. If Keep is definitely won for the town, then Scum!Unwnd can't die at the wall, if he does then his team will lose the game and it will not matter how convincing the case he makes for the gate is, that case will not matter because the game is over.

For town!unwnd however, if he is the victim of a mis-elim at the wall, it still matters a great deal that he get the correct solution for the gate, because that solution can play a large part in determining whether the town wins or loses the game.

So when I see him fustrated with the game state and not really solving for the gate, I feel he's more likely scum than town as town!him has motivations that scum!him simply can't replicate if he feels his slot is doomed.


And then when I read through Unwnd's iso, I spotted somewhere that he quoted you as
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In post 1606, absinthe wrote:
In post 1603, unwnd wrote:
In post 1596, Briar wrote:I dunno, maybe it's because that's a part of why I'm scumreading you right now and I'm sensitive to it, but it just feels like you keep saying that you're feeling that kind of way as if to... make yourself seem real? IDK. I think the frustration is real but it's not because you're frustrated town but scum in this position instead, and you're portraying it like town frustration.

p-edit: I think it's honest but I think you might be framing it a certain way.


I feel what I feel regardless of alignment. I don't think you being cautious of my takes is something that frustrates me. I like your objectiveness in this area. It's like I've mentioned before--not being given an honest shot when it comes to my logic is what tilts me the most


Help me solve Gate?


And I was like, why is Absinthe having to ask Unwnd to be doing that? Shouldn't that be the thing he is most focused on doing, but then Absinthe had to ask him.

And so, it looks like at the time that the posts were made, both you and Ana appeared to think Unwnd was not solving the Gate.

So then I read through Unwnd's iso specifically looking for it, and maybe I confirmation biased my self into it?

It just really felt to me like there was very little productivity within the sheer number of posts that he put up...
But if you don't see it :dead:
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Post Post #1960  (ISO)  » Sat May 15, 2021 10:19 pm

Please ignore for solving purposes, but when looking for the quotes for my last post, I found this gem:

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In post 1371, Anastasia wrote:
In post 1369, unwnd wrote:She's literally pocketed me twice

I have scars


I've never been pocketed by her, I want at least one time.

Ana got their wish :lol: :lol:
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Post Post #1961  (ISO)  » Sat May 15, 2021 11:39 pm

In post 1959, Lukewarm wrote:And I was like, why is Absinthe having to ask Unwnd to be doing that? Shouldn't that be the thing he is most focused on doing, but then Absinthe had to ask him.


When I asked him, I felt like I was throwing him a rope so he could pull himself out of his spin, more than wanting him to get right on solving the Gate. I'm probably sympathizing too much with the insomnia/not feeling great stuff due to being there a few weeks ago. I just remember how much it affected my play in the newbie game.

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Post Post #1962  (ISO)  » Sun May 16, 2021 12:01 am

unwnd's lack of solvy stuff was bothering me. But I wonder if I'm dinging him for post/content ratio, because when I read through the day 2 start through to the Keep flip, I could see his reads and progressions in his posts.

I feel like the fact that we all just kind of bought into Briar being town and then infinity being scum really impacted the directions the hunt went until the Keep flip. It's on all of town.

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Post Post #1963  (ISO)  » Sun May 16, 2021 1:01 am

Would the other townies please post?

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Post Post #1964  (ISO)  » Sun May 16, 2021 1:04 am

I would appreciate that as well, I kinda hate being #1 in post count
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Post Post #1965  (ISO)  » Sun May 16, 2021 1:15 am

In post 1951, unwnd wrote:Catboi, I don't know if you mentioned it but I looked back on the way votes went D1.

Which was

Me (The Wall) -> Briar (The Keep) -> Ana (The Keep) and then You (The Gate).

What was your reason to go into the gate if you were townreading Briar? Which I'm pretty sure you stated you were.

I already explained this: I townread both people at the keep and figured me going there was unnecessary, people said they were okay with me going to the gate, I wanted to put pressure on other people to take action because I felt like we'd be able to read into people's spontaneous decisionmaking more.

absinthe wrote:Would the other townies please post?
Sorry, I've been around but felt like there wasn't anything for me to respond to directly and I didn't have the time and energy to reread Briar interactions today, that's my big project for tomorrow

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Post Post #1966  (ISO)  » Sun May 16, 2021 2:24 am

She specifically asked for townies

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Post Post #1967  (ISO)  » Sun May 16, 2021 2:26 am

:roll:
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Post Post #1968  (ISO)  » Sun May 16, 2021 2:51 am

Here is my thinking:

Lukewarm feels genuine, from what I know of unwnd they tend to convey a lot of their real emotions when they play as scum. A good portion of that, when scum, is anger as if they've been wronged in some way, which is a lot of what we've seen here

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Post Post #1969  (ISO)  » Sun May 16, 2021 2:59 am

I don't think that is a worthwhile argument and falls through knowing your own experience with me directly contradicts this, but you won't say that because you only care about looking good in an argument
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Post Post #1970  (ISO)  » Sun May 16, 2021 4:39 am

I don't know if you really think that

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Post Post #1971  (ISO)  » Sun May 16, 2021 4:47 am

It's not a topic that really benefits anyone but us two. Absin can't get into my head and pry through my emotional tendencies, much like you can't. I say this because you're making a direct correlation as an indicator of me being scum, but it simply doesn't exist
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Post Post #1972  (ISO)  » Sun May 16, 2021 4:50 am

And let me just say that I really hate arguing with you as both town/scum, but you have no reason to change. You're not a very dynamic player in that sense, but rest assured I'm not insulting you. It's just that you are one exact way and you know how it works. I am not like that, but that difference between us is not anything? Is your grand revelation about me being scum that I got..angry? I want to believe you respect me more than that
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Post Post #1973  (ISO)  » Sun May 16, 2021 5:09 am

I'm having trouble seeing Luke as scum here so I'm rationalizing you being scum by saying you show a lot of emotion as scum

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Post Post #1974  (ISO)  » Sun May 16, 2021 7:41 am

In post 1963, absinthe wrote:Would the other townies please post?

No.

(Sorry I have a very busy weekend. More later.)
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