Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]


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Post Post #1675 (ISO) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:34 pm

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I think I see town self votes more tbh.
idk I think its easier to get frustrated as town than scum because typically town don't really unite until late game.
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Post Post #1676 (ISO) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:35 pm

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I can testify to it. I've caught scum this way. Self-votes are usually accompanied by an emotion that is very difficult to fake without burning bridges. Meanwhile, it's very easy to spot a fake AtE self-vote imo.
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Post Post #1677 (ISO) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:35 pm

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I don't think self votes are great but atm its a part of my town meta so I don't really have a choice but to replicate it occasionally as scum. I'm trying to get them out of my town game but that's a whole thing that will take some time >.<
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Post Post #1678 (ISO) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:36 pm

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In post 1676, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I can testify to it. I've caught scum this way. Self-votes are usually accompanied by an emotion that is very difficult to fake without burning bridges. Meanwhile, it's very easy to spot a fake AtE self-vote imo.
rate my emotions around the self vote. I was trying imagine what pooky would say and that's what I ended up with
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Post Post #1679 (ISO) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:37 pm

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Pooky is my literal role model. he plays so happily, has pretty good reads, and is always fooling around. that is the final level of enlightenment <.<
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Post Post #1680 (ISO) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:38 pm

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I would really focus on the circumstances surrounding the self-vote, for example it being a bit out of line with what T3 gave imo, than any overly general statements. It's a bad thing to do as either alignment, though.
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Post Post #1681 (ISO) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:41 pm

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you don’t need to match your town meta blow for blow because as scum that’s impossible imo. you just need to be towny enough and shear away the routes to be voted — a self vote in this case achieved the opposite. you’ll drive yourself mad trying to replicate it exactly when you’re also managing getting things done as scum.

i don’t think in a position like that you needed to be so contrarian. the routes were limited but town at that point was up decently with a good pool. getting that frustrated is in character but ultimately i think a town player in this set of circumstance might’ve been less inclined to self vote. someone who knows more might disagree but that is my opinion.
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Post Post #1682 (ISO) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:42 pm

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In post 1678, Noraa wrote:rate my emotions around the self vote. I was trying imagine what pooky would say and that's what I ended up with
if you want to put yourself in the position that you would self-vote and it would look genuine, pick a fight with someone. not just a fight about the game or your alignment, but about how unfair they're being to you and how hurt your ego etc. that's the emotion that leads to self-destructive town behavior.
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Post Post #1683 (ISO) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:45 pm

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create a believable story about the person behind your slot when you make moves that you want people to townread. but be aware that emotional play is just a side of scum play. there's tons of stuff you need to cover (like progressions, mechanical, etc.) that you need to back up as well. everything needs to be flawless so you can be a good scum.

i'm still not at this level of play, but I'm not a bad actor.
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Post Post #1684 (ISO) » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:38 am

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In post 1682, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
In post 1678, Noraa wrote:rate my emotions around the self vote. I was trying imagine what pooky would say and that's what I ended up with
if you want to put yourself in the position that you would self-vote and it would look genuine, pick a fight with someone. not just a fight about the game or your alignment, but about how unfair they're being to you and how hurt your ego etc. that's the emotion that leads to self-destructive town behavior.
I don't do that nowadays. Thats not cool :/
I wasn't trying to go the frustrated route. I was more trying to go that "whatever game is solved idc if I die here"
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Post Post #1685 (ISO) » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:41 am

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I think that was one suggestion of HEM's, but the emphasis is more on making sure that you craft a very convincing narrative around it, which has multiple paths. It seems you tried to do this with the game is solved angle, which I have already provided specific feedback on.
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Post Post #1686 (ISO) » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:44 am

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I don't think its crazy unbelievable for me since I get extremely extremely strong soul reads and if I had a soul read strong enough, I would totally do this.
The issue is that I don't know T3 well enough to have a soul read like that. Like having some sort of read on him is already like ... pretty good.
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Post Post #1687 (ISO) » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:49 am

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It is also hard to sell a "the game is solved narrative" after saying that you have too many scum reads. You being suspicious of so many people just like 1 or 2 pages before the self vote, undercuts that narrative somewhat
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Post Post #1688 (ISO) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:32 pm

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Time for the mafia PT release?
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Post Post #1689 (ISO) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:17 pm

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In post 1688, Prism wrote:Time for the mafia PT release?
Done! For convenience: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86809
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Post Post #1690 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:17 pm

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How did it go?
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Post Post #1691 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:00 pm

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Town won by a lot

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Post Post #1692 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:27 pm

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Town won by embarrassing a lot
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Post Post #1693 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:34 pm

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D1 scum elim ended poorly for scum, probably closer to balanced but maybe not actually that fun

I didn't mess anything major up though so that's good
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Post Post #1694 (ISO) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:38 pm

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Fun for town, not fun for scum yet. Could be fun if scum is allowed to speak in mafia PT post-death.
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Post Post #1695 (ISO) » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:51 am

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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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