Open 820: The Siege of Aurelia — Game Over!

[Dannflor]

VC 2.1

Awakening

Gate

[1] skitter30

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implosion

[2] Not Voting

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ssbm_Kyouko

, skitter30

Wall

[1] Something_Smart

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unwnd

[2] Not Voting

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Something_Smart, PenguinPower

Keep

[3] Not Voting

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T3, catboi, Dunnstral

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[Something_Smart]

Yeah I mean this kinda feels like a forced switch into an all-town wall but why would implosion deliberately cripple his team like that?

Pedit: big wall I did not read yet

[PenguinPower]

skitter angling for gate and S_S taking wall to let her go to gate bc they'd rather have her at gate than him and that would leave them with more flexibility with their swap.

But she had ample opportunity to take gate and didn't...

[implosion]

I mean if people’s reaction to me taking gate is any indication…

I assume she wanted gate but wanted more to have the cred from not deciding quickly/letting discussion continue. joining late is also pretty much what I’d expect her to do as either alignment.

[PenguinPower]

You just hammered gate. I was actively pushing her to take it, as was catboi. Big difference.

[Something_Smart]

PP, what do you think about the possibility of unwnd/implosion? Feels like implosion would have just sabotaged his team for no reason.

I am leaning toward skitter being scum because of this. The wall should definitely be resolved before the gate, at least.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I did that then got frustrated reading Kyouko's posts so I'm doing it a bit out of spite

Town should not be frustrated that their death is guaranteed to go 1 for 1 with scum. If you're town you should be figuring out the alignments at keep and posting your thoughts in preparation for the wall lim. You should not be voting anyone right now if town, and if scum you should probably be preparing to self-hammer once PP or S_S vote you.

Sorry if you're town but your death is objectively pro-town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@S_S and PP:

Even if you're convinced the other one of you is scum, if you end up trying to vote that person and are wrong we could lose the whole game at Gate. If you just kill unwnd after doing your best to solve Keep we have a good shot at this.

Not saying either of you should be voting but I'm concerned with the conclusion S_S's question leads towards

[Something_Smart]

I mean, I'm assuming that PP is conftown. At the very least if he's scum he's already secured the win here and is just slow playing.

So I will vote unwnd, there's just no reason to put him in self hammer range yet.

[skitter30]

vc

Yeah I mean this kinda feels like a forced switch into an all-town wall but why would implosion deliberately cripple his team like that?

Pedit: big wall I did not read yet

I've no idea, i have no good explanation for the swap/implosion's hammer, especially in an unwnd scum world

[skitter30]

I kinda think scum thought they lost the keep already?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

vc

Yeah I mean this kinda feels like a forced switch into an all-town wall but why would implosion deliberately cripple his team like that?

Pedit: big wall I did not read yet

I've no idea, i have no good explanation for the swap/implosion's hammer, especially in an unwnd scum world

If unwnd is scum, scum!implosion could be trying to make you look bad by hammering gate before you when catboi seemed to be goading you and you seemed to be dodging hammering. Once it looked like you were dodging, you still had the chance to hammer and redeem yourself. I was also advocating for implosion to hammer gate, so by hammering here it appeals to me. Convenient for scum!implosion to 1v1 you here too, as it looks like he just dunked on you before my.eyes and I am the decider here

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I can see both of you as having scum motivation rn

[skitter30]

I'm not sure he's expecting to, like, win this honestly

[T3]

I can see both of you as having scum motivation rn

Same tbh

unwnd scumreads SS, implosion scumreads skitter, skitter scumreads implosion, unwnd and implosion are possibly scum together.

[unwnd]

Again, not trying to be that guy but

Have you ever considered that scum was OK clearing you because your reads fucking suck and you serve no threat?

[unwnd]

I just don't really have time to try and get into this game when a self-proclaimed IC is just gonna shout me down and tell me I'm scum. My reads are very raw but that's just how it's going to be.

[unwnd]

I'm not sure he's expecting to, like, win this honestly

You're right but you have painted me in the wrong mindset

I'm town and it's essential you flip wall first so Kyouko can be humbled

[skitter30]

I mean i was actually talking abt implosion ans i literally cant flip you

For the lior sixth time why did you want me to go to gate yesterday

[unwnd]

Because I wanted to see what you'd do? I answered that already. I know I probably shouldn't have expected you to get cleared but that's the brunt of my reasoning

[implosion]

ssbm, I don't understand your plan with limming unwnd; what do you do next based on a town flip vs a scum flip? I thought you determined that wasn't actually a good idea?

PP, what do you think about the possibility of unwnd/implosion? Feels like implosion would have just sabotaged his team for no reason.

I am leaning toward skitter being scum because of this. The wall should definitely be resolved before the gate, at least.

If skitter+unwnd are scum, what's your explanation for scum choosing to swap the two of them rather than doing something else?

[unwnd]

Implo do you have a scum game I can read of yours?

[skitter30]

Unwnd how are u reading me rn?

[skitter30]

From my pov:
Implosion is scum
Unwnd is much more likely to be scum than ss
I think both implosion and unwnd have bad associatives with catboi, namely the mysterious townreads they kept professing on him

Also i think that most townies have a similar reaction to catboi taking keep as i did: extreme surprise/annoyance. Pp, ss, and t3 all had similar reactions to me, and implosion/unwnd had very ~santized~ reactions

[Something_Smart]

If skitter+unwnd are scum, what's your explanation for scum choosing to swap the two of them rather than doing something else?

If it's 1-1-1 already the swap is just WIFOM. Presumably it would be skitter thinking she could win the 1v1 against you (and she clearly DOES think that, regardless of alignment) and unwnd thinking he could get me executed (as was clearly his plan given how quickly he gunned for me).