Open 820: The Siege of Aurelia — Game Over!

[catboi]

I have absolutley no idea and i think he loses this so yeah
Idk what they were thinking

This also is something I have trouble squaring as a real thought

[catboi]

I'm p sure t3 is town in the keep
Catboi voting him would resolve a lot of the issues there. Not sure i know who the scum is but i'm p sure voting t3 wins that section

And at wall still p sure penguin is town

I dont *think* unwnd is scum from my pov (?) but irs possible i'm missing something. I do think he is p scummy tho and had ulterior motives for wanting me to go to gate yesterday

Sorry to clarify the sentence abt unwnd: i'm trying to sort out if the swap lets me read anything into his alignment from my pov and i dont think (?) I can

I wasnt trying to say i think he's town

This is also quite a twisty statement on unwnd

[catboi]

From my pov:
Implosion is scum
Unwnd is much more likely to be scum than ss
I think both implosion and unwnd have bad associatives with catboi, namely the mysterious townreads they kept professing on him

Also i think that most townies have a similar reaction to catboi taking keep as i did: extreme surprise/annoyance. Pp, ss, and t3 all had similar reactions to me, and implosion/unwnd had very ~santized~ reactions

That last line is so shallow. It's ridiculous.

[catboi]

Skitter-scum here might involve her pushing entirely false worlds though, and I'm not sure I believe that. More confident on s_s scum than anything.

[catboi]

to my posts in the last game of this, and he feels, on some level, like he is really trying to convince her he is town

I feel like this too
Honestly in my mind the game feels somewhat solved:
-implo at gate
- unwnd at wall
- vote t3 at keep

I'm not buying the attitude here

[catboi]

I would hate for me to be butting heads with a townie yet again but after that read of skitter's ISO I'm not seeing a lot that gives me pause.


I suppose I'l turn my attention to T3 now.

[catboi]

Something has to give. I have to be off somewhere, scum never perfectly align.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Something has to give. I have to be off somewhere, scum never perfectly align.

I think it's easy for them to align on T3 if even a couple of town buy that he's town. Much easier to fake being town at keep than mislim town at Gate or Wall. And if theres going to be a scum that hard pushes their buddy as town at the keep, it makes sense for that scum to be skitter at the Gate, because Gate is a 50-50 for town, so skitter takes one for the team if she pushes T3 as town, because when T3 flips scum, I hammer skitter and we go 1-1, and then we're left with just Wall. And at wall, unwnd was moved TO wall where he is pretty widely SRed. I think scum's plan with S_S at wall was to put him with obvtown Peng and concensus-scum unwnd. Makes it easy for S_S to justify his vote, he doesnt have to "solve" anything there because it's concensus.

I think the world of Skitter, T3, S_S, is real. I need a few hours though before we make moves

[PenguinPower]

That’s my gut read, but I still don’t understand the hesitation to go to gate on skitteR’s part just to end up with scumSS with me.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

That’s my gut read, but I still don’t understand the hesitation to go to gate on skitteR’s part just to end up with scumSS with me.

Maybe if skitter goes somewhere and is then switched it looks intentional, and scum wanted it to look like skitter was out of control of the situation.

I said a few hours because I was waiting on an ongoing game to end, but it just ended.

scum!S_S just tried the same thing in that game. Scum in final 3 and his only reason for.voting me was the other one in final.3 had been confirmed.town by an inno crumb of a dead cop. He wouldn't engage with me really and was banking on me being loud enough to confuse the conftown into voting me for having wild theories. He coasted through the whole game and I think that's his idea with this game too.

[Something_Smart]

That's, uh, how you play a 1v1? Or how I play it at least. Go look at the last run of this setup, where I was town and at the gate.

There's generally no point to engaging with the person you're 1v1ing.

[catboi]

I can confirm that's true, I just...still think you're scum.

[Something_Smart]

I mean, that's well within your rights, and I don't really care, but ssbm's reason is a bad one.

[implosion]

I can definitely buy skitter/S_S/t3, or at least I think if we play with that team assumption at this point (i.e. limming S_S and voting Dunn/catboi) I'd be very surprised if we lose (though tbf that is mostly because I feel pretty good about S_S vs unwnd I think irrespective of the keep, I generally like unwnd's reactions this day). I do think keep is more complicated than wall but like, if we go into keep 1-1 for whatever reason after resolving the other two it is keep, it is the easiest one for us to win by default. I'm kind of vacillating in who I think is scum there, I think if I were there and had to vote right now it would be Dunn but I wouldn't feel that good about it.

[implosion]

(that is, vote for Dunn as town, just to be unambiguous)

[T3]

Given the fact that I'm 1-9 (I think?) for all my scumgames and my only win was because I hardbussed my entire scumteam day 1 and was limmed for it if I were scum I would never want to go to keep.

[catboi]

Where would you have gone, then? It's not like the other locations are particularly more enticing.

[PenguinPower]

Given the fact that I'm 1-9 (I think?) for all my scumgames and my only win was because I hardbussed my entire scumteam day 1 and was limmed for it if I were scum I would never want to go to keep.

Help me understand this…

[T3]

Where would you have gone, then? It's not like the other locations are particularly more enticing.

I think scum!me would have gone to wall?

[catboi]

Why?

[T3]

Given the fact that I'm 1-9 (I think?) for all my scumgames and my only win was because I hardbussed my entire scumteam day 1 and was limmed for it if I were scum I would never want to go to keep.

Help me understand this…

Scum me is bad at getting townread -> Keep relies on being townread -> scum me would probably always lose keep.

pedit: Higher chance of winning.

[T3]

Hard to tell because I'm not scum. I think it would depend on who my partners are.

[PenguinPower]

Mmm - but you chose to go keep early on and trying to use your meta to show why you wouldn’t feels gross. Your skitter/ssbm stuff from a skim of D1 wasn’t great…you also seemed to be setting me up for down the road.

[T3]

Fair.

In terms of my general meta, scum!me busses early on, townreads town, and goes for weird and flashy plays.

[catboi]

Given the fact that I'm 1-9 (I think?) for all my scumgames and my only win was because I hardbussed my entire scumteam day 1 and was limmed for it if I were scum I would never want to go to keep.

Help me understand this…

Scum me is bad at getting townread -> Keep relies on being townread -> scum me would probably always lose keep.

pedit: Higher chance of winning.

I mean, you have to be townread at the other locations, too. The challenge elsewhere is that you have to make arguments as to why someone else is scum, rather than just going "well I know I'm town"


This is not particularly useful from me, I admit, but I haven't had the motivation to reread you yet.