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Post Post #3000  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:39 pm

Pagetop :) and uhh Dwlee, you should claim

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Post Post #3001  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:40 pm

otherwise I'm tossing you on E-1 tomorrow, and Enchant can hammer again :)

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Post Post #3002  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:42 pm

In post 2825, Something_Smart wrote:
VC 3.2VP Baltar (2)- Fun and Games, Andante
Enchant (2)- Toogeloo, VP Baltar
Dwlee99 (1)- Enchant
Fun and Games (1)- Dwlee99

Not voting (2)- Sleepless Assassin, Bingle

With 8 alive it takes 5 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-12-14 17:00:00)

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This is accurate up to VPs vote. Dw is no where near E1

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Post Post #3003  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:42 pm

Idk, the dunn-Ico stuff didn't read fake fake to me since Ico was very ready to push in that direction. I could be wrong of course, but read like Ico was eager to back me whenever I brought Dunn up.
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Post Post #3004  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:43 pm

If enchant us already on there, then I got no problem with andante putting her vote there
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Post Post #3005  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:44 pm

ok, fine with me, I thought Dw was the one with 2 votes, + VP would've been 3
VOTE: Dwlee

so in that case, I vote

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Post Post #3006  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:45 pm

In post 3003, VP Baltar wrote:Idk, the dunn-Ico stuff didn't read fake fake to me since Ico was very ready to push in that direction. I could be wrong of course, but read like Ico was eager to back me whenever I brought Dunn up.


I mean, Dunn's ISO as a whole is pretty weak to draw much of anything from, Icon/Darby had plenty though

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Post Post #3007  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:47 pm

I can't wait for VP to have been scum, and Dwlee to flip town, this game is going so well, I just know something insane like that is gonna happen

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Post Post #3008  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:52 pm

Just got out of work. This is a lot of pages. Can someone give me a cliff notes so I can still be active before I read?
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Post Post #3009  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:53 pm

I'm likely to vote Enchant unless something has changed I'm case anyone is wondering.
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Post Post #3010  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:53 pm

In post 3008, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Just got out of work. This is a lot of pages. Can someone give me a cliff notes so I can still be active before I read?


Uhhhh. Whiplash.

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Post Post #3011  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:54 pm

In post 3008, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Just got out of work. This is a lot of pages. Can someone give me a cliff notes so I can still be active before I read?


I know what you may read from me... I currently think you're town, so just ignore anything where I say you're not town, and all is good :)

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Post Post #3012  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:54 pm

also, I will not be voting enchant today, After reading Darby/Icon, I think there's enough there that says Enchant isn't a partner

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Post Post #3013  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:56 pm

Like, big sections of the thread are useless noise and it seems like everyone throws everything out the window every ten pages. There’re a lot of weird interactions, and most of them aren’t summarizable. Neither toog nor enchant has posted anything meaningful since you left.

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Post Post #3014  (ISO)  » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:59 pm

lol me today:
VP MAF
ehhh VP town, uhhh Dwlee Maf!
ok VP is definitely Maf!!
ehhh VP is probably town
"Don't vote Dwlee!! Dwlee town!!!"
VP maf!!
actually, no, VP is most likely town, I don't think VP can be maf.
Vote Dwlee

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Post Post #3015  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:09 am

In post 3012, Andante wrote:also, I will not be voting enchant today, After reading Darby/Icon, I think there's enough there that says Enchant isn't a partner


Interesting. What did you see differently than Toog and myself?

Andante wrote:lol me today:
VP MAF
ehhh VP town, uhhh Dwlee Maf!
ok VP is definitely Maf!!
ehhh VP is probably town
"Don't vote Dwlee!! Dwlee town!!!"
VP maf!!
actually, no, VP is most likely town, I don't think VP can be maf.
Vote Dwlee


Um. For real? Lol
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Post Post #3016  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:15 am

In post 3015, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
In post 3012, Andante wrote:also, I will not be voting enchant today, After reading Darby/Icon, I think there's enough there that says Enchant isn't a partner


Interesting. What did you see differently than Toog and myself?

Andante wrote:lol me today:
VP MAF
ehhh VP town, uhhh Dwlee Maf!
ok VP is definitely Maf!!
ehhh VP is probably town
"Don't vote Dwlee!! Dwlee town!!!"
VP maf!!
actually, no, VP is most likely town, I don't think VP can be maf.
Vote Dwlee


Um. For real? Lol


I quoted exactly what it was recently, it was something Darby or Icon said that I don't think would be said to a partner

and yeah, my reads all game have been wild, but today... pshhh I think Darby/Icon ISO makes VP town, but Pooky/Skitter still sr, so I'm not completely taking VP off the block, just, I'm not voting VP today

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Post Post #3017  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:23 am

In post 3012, Andante wrote:also, I will not be voting enchant today, After reading Darby/Icon, I think there's enough there that says Enchant isn't a partner


This is all you said about enchant, andante.

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Post Post #3018  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:27 am

In post 3016, Andante wrote:
In post 3015, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
In post 3012, Andante wrote:also, I will not be voting enchant today, After reading Darby/Icon, I think there's enough there that says Enchant isn't a partner


Interesting. What did you see differently than Toog and myself?

Andante wrote:lol me today:
VP MAF
ehhh VP town, uhhh Dwlee Maf!
ok VP is definitely Maf!!
ehhh VP is probably town
"Don't vote Dwlee!! Dwlee town!!!"
VP maf!!
actually, no, VP is most likely town, I don't think VP can be maf.
Vote Dwlee


Um. For real? Lol


I quoted exactly what it was recently, it was something Darby or Icon said that I don't think would be said to a partner

and yeah, my reads all game have been wild, but today... pshhh I think Darby/Icon ISO makes VP town, but Pooky/Skitter still sr, so I'm not completely taking VP off the block, just, I'm not voting VP today


I didn't see Pooky and Skitter as a buddy to that slot. We agree on VP though so there's that at least...
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Post Post #3019  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:30 am

In post 2291, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2282, Toogeloo wrote:VOTE: Enchant

This is scum. I did an iso dive of ico and darby on Night 1 (and Night 2, thanks guys!). Based on the combined associatives from both slots, I am like 90% confident Enchant is scum here.


Why did scum-enchant hammer both darby and gamma?

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In post 2294, Fun and Games wrote:VOTE: dwlee

I feel p good abt town-enchant tbh

Toog if u can even give a tldr about what you found scimmy there, i would appreciate it

~ skitter

In post 2302, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2295, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 2291, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2282, Toogeloo wrote:VOTE: Enchant

This is scum. I did an iso dive of ico and darby on Night 1 (and Night 2, thanks guys!). Based on the combined associatives from both slots, I am like 90% confident Enchant is scum here.


Why did scum-enchant hammer both darby and gamma?

~ skitter

You suggesting scum don't hammer partners or miselims?


No, i'm saying i sont think the way enchant did it is scum-indicative, and i think this post is somewhat straw-manning-y

~ skitter

In post 2303, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2296, Toogeloo wrote:Ico meanwhile kept slandering Enchant, and calling a few of their things scummy off the cuff, but rarely ever pushed and generally ignored Enchant, while keeping Enchant in a Null pile.


I mean tbf this is functionally the logic i was using to scumread gamma yesterday and he was town

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In post 2899, Fun and Games wrote:
In post 2896, Bingle wrote:
In post 2884, Bingle wrote:
In post 2881, Fun and Games wrote:it doesn't, i was saying that using that logic for calling enchant scum was bad because we tried that yesterday on someone else and they flipped town, so obviously that logic is somewhat faulty

~ skitter


This seems like a weird inversion of the fallacy fallacy to me, but I think that’s probably town points for you.


To try to explain this it feels like saying

“Gamma had a .45 and the bullet fired was from a .45”
“Nah can’t be, gamma was at the bar all night. Enchant has a .45 though”
“Nah can’t be, Gamma was at the bar all night”


ah ig i see what you're saying
idk it made sense to me at the time

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This is the only explained town enchant argument I’m aware of.

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Post Post #3020  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:32 am

In post 3018, Sleepless Assassin wrote:I didn't see Pooky and Skitter as a buddy to that slot. We agree on VP though so there's that at least...


Skitter town is andantes only consistent read.

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Post Post #3021  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:36 am

SA could you read page 116 and give impressions

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Post Post #3022  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:43 am

In post 2970, Andante wrote:
In post 44, Iconeum wrote:
In post 27, Enchant wrote:I'm maf. I would put Innocent Child, Jailkeeper and Tracker. More optimal i think.


scumslip confirmed

vOte echant


I almost doubt first post of the game like this is to your partner, means Enchant likely town


Oh. I guess this, too. This is a post you made before saying the associations were bad for me and then good for me two posts later.

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Post Post #3023  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:59 am

That feels like an incredibly weak town case for Enchant

I'll let you know when I get to 116, sure.
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Post Post #3024  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:08 am

In post 2975, Andante wrote:Actually, unless Dwlee gives content, I might be down to just flip them, cause N_M had nothing, Dwlee nothing....

Holy fuck to this post. Seriously. What the actual fuck

And: contrary to popular belief, skitter repeating my scumread on them is bad WHILE THEY IGNORE THE EXPLANATION THEY ASKED FOR does not make my read on them bad or wrong!
I prefer they, thanks :)

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