Open 850: Democrabilities (Postgame)

[furtiveglance]

On second thought, the lack of a real counterwagon might suggest that Goldie really is slated to die or that she's the BP.

UNVOTE:

Wrong. The players (apart from you) that I consider most likely to be mafia have objected and voted elsewhere.

[Radical Rat]

On second thought, the lack of a real counterwagon might suggest that Goldie really is slated to die or that she's the BP.

UNVOTE:

Wrong. The players (apart from you) that I consider most likely to be mafia have objected and voted elsewhere.

And yet Goldfish is the only one that more than a single person can agree on apparently. Hardly suggests that any of the others are coordinated pushes

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

On second thought, the lack of a real counterwagon might suggest that Goldie really is slated to die or that she's the BP.

UNVOTE:

If I'm the BP I'm not sure It matters, I would just get informed about myself, and I'd say that (assuming you'd believe me). and I think with a counter-wagon, because we are voting for someone we town read rather than someone we scum read there is a lot more of a consensus, considering there are more town than scum.

Who do the players voting for Goldfish think will die during the night?

I think Flea, unless they are scum.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

@golfish why do you townread Dunnstral?

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner about this.

So it's a town lean not a full townread, I don't think it's impossible Dunn is scum here, certainly not as convinced about it as other town reads I have.

It's mostly because I think a lot of their early day 1 posting seemed town, and because I think some of the reasons they were being scum read didn't make sense. Could someone who is scum reading Dunnstral give me an overview of why please because I don't think I've seen a lot of reasoning behind it aside from bad vibes.

[Alianna]

VOTE: GoldfishFromTheMoon

I've made up my mind. I have my reasons, but I don't think it's wise to elaborate until D3.

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

Thanks Alianna (:

We have less than 24 hours till the deadline and we need to make a decision before then or we will loose this ability, I would like to encourage people to vote for me.

[Alianna]

Even if you don’t believe this is a good vote, we can at least get some sort of info out of it, whereas if we don’t vote, we get nothing. Vote Goldie 2022!

[Radical Rat]

I actually had it in my head that this was plurality again, whoops.

I agree it's better than nothing, and it's pretty clear now I don't have the votes I need for Alianna, so.

VOTE: GoldfishFromTheMoon

If you die I will be very grumpy about it though

[MegAzumarill]

Ability Phase Final VC:
GoldfishFromtheMoon (5) furtiveglance, GoldfishFromtheMoon, MalcolmTucker, Alianna, Radical Rat
Dunnstrall (1) Dunnstrall
Cat.jpeg (1) Cat.jpeg

Not Voting (1):Flea The Magician

With 8 alive it took 5 to make a decision.
Deadline:(expired on 2022-05-17 00:07:08)

GoldfishFromTheMoon will be informed tonight!

The Elimination Phase begins!




Vote Count 2.1.0



Not Voting (8*) furtiveglance, GoldfishFromtheMoon, MalcolmTucker, Alianna, Radical Rat, Dunnstrall, Cat.jpeg, Flea the Magician


With 8 votes it takes 5* to make someone sleep with the fishes.
(expired on 2022-05-21 01:16:31)

[furtiveglance]

Great. I think Alianna is the best vote for today, just ahead of Radical Rat.

VOTE: Alianna

[Cat.Jpeg]

I think rr is. Ive noticed that all the people who have agreed on the alianna/dunnstral/RR scumpool all have slightly different preferences for who. I think we should discuss a bit more today before we elim.

[furtiveglance]

True. This game feels a bit stuck in the mud. I love the setup - it's just that people's read and views of the game (myself included) aren't changing that much. For me it's because people voted out my townread (sad).

[Cat.Jpeg]

@Dunnstral can you give a readlist and explian some of your thought process? I feel like most of your posts are about if we should double elim or not or defending your vote on Titus. I don't scumread you for voting Titus and originally to me her posts looked very scummy but I had more of a gut feeling that she was town, I get why you voted her though. What I do scumread you for is the lack of solve-driven input from you and the lack of expressing any townreads.

[furtiveglance]

On second thought, the lack of a real counterwagon might suggest that Goldie really is slated to die or that she's the BP.

UNVOTE:

Wrong. The players (apart from you) that I consider most likely to be mafia have objected and voted elsewhere.

And yet Goldfish is the only one that more than a single person can agree on apparently. Hardly suggests that any of the others are coordinated pushes

Maybe a co-ordinated push would be too obvious and risky. After all this isn't an elimination, just an ability.

[Dunnstral]

@Dunnstral can you give a readlist and explian some of your thought process? I feel like most of your posts are about if we should double elim or not or defending your vote on Titus. I don't scumread you for voting Titus and originally to me her posts looked very scummy but I had more of a gut feeling that she was town, I get why you voted her though. What I do scumread you for is the lack of solve-driven input from you and the lack of expressing any townreads.

Towny: Goldfish, Alianna, Flea
Null: Radical Rat, radital cat
Scummy: FurtiveGlance, Malcolm

That is where I am at with reads

As for thought process, what do you want to know?

[MalcolmTucker]

I think Alianna would be a better elimination than RR of those two. I've not been particularly keen on RR's push for Alianna to be informed but I reckon it'd have been too blatant for a scum partnership to pull off personally. I disagree with RR's read on Alianna but it's probably a genuine, if flawed, one.

I'd also quite happily vote for Dunn, I reckon there's a decent chance we hit scum there.

[Radical Rat]

@Mod

What would happen if the day ended with zero votes cast?

[Flea The Magician]

sorry for being flakey, health has taken a big shift. will be tonight or tomorrow.

[furtiveglance]

@Dunnstral can you give a readlist and explian some of your thought process? I feel like most of your posts are about if we should double elim or not or defending your vote on Titus. I don't scumread you for voting Titus and originally to me her posts looked very scummy but I had more of a gut feeling that she was town, I get why you voted her though. What I do scumread you for is the lack of solve-driven input from you and the lack of expressing any townreads.

Towny: Goldfish, Alianna, Flea
Null: Radical Rat, radital cat
Scummy: FurtiveGlance, Malcolm

That is where I am at with reads

As for thought process, what do you want to know?

These reads are really strange.
You think that:
1) Yesterday was town/town
2) I knew that and didn't want to condemn the nightkill
3) I loudly townread the nightkill and begged for a pivot to another town
4) Malcolm and I have paired openly and townread each other all game as the worst scumteam ever

Scumcase me. How did you get here?

[furtiveglance]

I think Alianna would be a better elimination than RR of those two. I've not been particularly keen on RR's push for Alianna to be informed but I reckon it'd have been too blatant for a scum partnership to pull off personally. I disagree with RR's read on Alianna but it's probably a genuine, if flawed, one.

I'd also quite happily vote for Dunn, I reckon there's a decent chance we hit scum there.

I agree that I need to throw out Alianna/Radical Rat, after the inform thing.

I think it makes for Alianna/Dunnstral or Dunnstral/Radical Rat, which would put Dunnstral in my focus.

[MalcolmTucker]

I think Alianna would be a better elimination than RR of those two. I've not been particularly keen on RR's push for Alianna to be informed but I reckon it'd have been too blatant for a scum partnership to pull off personally. I disagree with RR's read on Alianna but it's probably a genuine, if flawed, one.

I'd also quite happily vote for Dunn, I reckon there's a decent chance we hit scum there.

I agree that I need to throw out Alianna/Radical Rat, after the inform thing.

I think it makes for Alianna/Dunnstral or Dunnstral/Radical Rat, which would put Dunnstral in my focus.

Yeah Alianna/Dunn would strike me as the most likely team right now, albeit with the caveat sometimes hard to be 100% confident with associatives.

[MalcolmTucker]

Alianna, out of interest, where do you sit on Dunn now? I thought your attempt to clear/TR them early on was very weak but I see you're now not so sure on that given Titus' elimination. You've not particularly pushed Dunn too strongly, I'd say, given you don't seem to think they're town, and I'm wary this could be an attempt at distancing, but I'd potentially be more likely to TR you if you're willing to look at a Dunn wagon. Of course, if Dunn was town, you'd then inversely look a bit scummier for this if you were suddenly willing to jump on it, so interested to hear where your thoughts are.

[Radical Rat]

I think Alianna would be a better elimination than RR of those two. I've not been particularly keen on RR's push for Alianna to be informed but I reckon it'd have been too blatant for a scum partnership to pull off personally. I disagree with RR's read on Alianna but it's probably a genuine, if flawed, one.

I'd also quite happily vote for Dunn, I reckon there's a decent chance we hit scum there.

I agree that I need to throw out Alianna/Radical Rat, after the inform thing.

I think it makes for Alianna/Dunnstral or Dunnstral/Radical Rat, which would put Dunnstral in my focus.

Yeah Alianna/Dunn would strike me as the most likely team right now, albeit with the caveat sometimes hard to be 100% confident with associatives.

Why Alianna/Dunn?

[MegAzumarill]

@Mod

What would happen if the day ended with zero votes cast?

Going by the rules I have defined for plurality GoldfishFromTheMoon would be eliminated due to having the most votes on them last. If no votes were ever cast in the game there would not be a system currently in place to deal with that outcome.

[furtiveglance]

I need to think for a bit more. If Alianna/RR has one mafia, Dunnstral is a better vote for being mafia in both scenarios. I'm just worried I'm giving Flea an easy ride. Eagerly awaiting what they have to say today/tomorrow.

UNVOTE: Alianna