Open 850: Democrabilities (Postgame)
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I'd need to look back to come to a verdict on Cat/Alianna. Like Dunn, my wariness there comes from the idea they ploughed right in immediately and voted for Cat to be tracked. But again, as outlined above, suppose for mafia they could bus their own partner and it brings down the elim pool by one.In post 899, furtiveglance wrote:
Can you see Alianna/Cat?In post 891, MalcolmTucker wrote:Also remember in your above scenario Dunn needs to be scum of course. Even if Cat is actually mafia, does the track not end up being useless if we don't hit scum during the vote?
I can't at the moment, their interactions look like scum!Cat/town!Alianna to me. They don't look paired at all, nor do I scumread either of them strongly enough to vote them over Dunnstral.- MalcolmTucker
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I've TR'd you so far because even when you've been wrong I feel like you've been trying to drive the game forward or come up with solves when others have perhaps been more content to sit back. My issue now is - you were wrong in a way that's been beneficial to scum, and I now need to work out if that was genuine townie being wrong or scum successfully managing to sway our opinions.In post 893, furtiveglance wrote:
Mafia had to pick someone who wasn't going to be eliminated (otherwise they reduce their possible miselimination options), and you've been widely townread (apart from by Cat). It's probably as simple as that.In post 862, MalcolmTucker wrote:Hmm, the fact I've been cleared does make me wonder here if scum are trying to potentially misdirect me, or if they were at the start of the last turn when they picked me to have my alignment given. Given my main suspect has been Dunn (and still is based on play alone), it does make me wonder if Furtive is perhaps mafia and wanted to clear me since I'd largely TR'd them so far.
On the last vote, their suspicion of Radical Rat was at least consistent and so it wasn't a purely opportunistic vote - but I don't think there was anyone on the wagon who was necessarily all that opportunistic, but that doesn't rule out scum of course - quite possible for a scum player to have made a concerted push on Radical Rat early on in the hope it would go through at some point. But I don't think Furtive's continual suspicion there makes them look any better, is what I'm saying. Cat, Alianna and Goldfish all gave solid reasons for voting Radical Rat out even though I personally got townie vibes for them.
Personally I'd want us to track either Alianna or Cat here. Alianna's had fleeting suspicion throughout the game but it faded away a bit on D2. My own clear gives me some doubt but I still think Alianna/Dunn is a very possible team. Alianna had some suspicion on Dunn in D2 and then just gradually backed away from it. On Cat, I think their play was a lot more solid and felt quite townie on D2, but very much in a way that would make me worry it's mafia playing a clever game here.As for you townreading me, 1) appreciate it and 2) there must be reasons that you townread me.- MalcolmTucker
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Only issue is if we get the scum wrong here then by the time you're hypothetically confirmed town the game is over. But I've agreed until now you'd be a solid track and so wouldn't have any objections to this going through.
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The way I see it, I probably haven't been that wrong (having scumread Dunnstral all game) and got unlucky with Radical Rat.In post 902, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I've TR'd you so far because even when you've been wrong I feel like you've been trying to drive the game forward or come up with solves when others have perhaps been more content to sit back. My issue now is - you were wrong in a way that's been beneficial to scum, and I now need to work out if that was genuine townie being wrong or scum successfully managing to sway our opinions.In post 893, furtiveglance wrote:
Mafia had to pick someone who wasn't going to be eliminated (otherwise they reduce their possible miselimination options), and you've been widely townread (apart from by Cat). It's probably as simple as that.In post 862, MalcolmTucker wrote:Hmm, the fact I've been cleared does make me wonder here if scum are trying to potentially misdirect me, or if they were at the start of the last turn when they picked me to have my alignment given. Given my main suspect has been Dunn (and still is based on play alone), it does make me wonder if Furtive is perhaps mafia and wanted to clear me since I'd largely TR'd them so far.
On the last vote, their suspicion of Radical Rat was at least consistent and so it wasn't a purely opportunistic vote - but I don't think there was anyone on the wagon who was necessarily all that opportunistic, but that doesn't rule out scum of course - quite possible for a scum player to have made a concerted push on Radical Rat early on in the hope it would go through at some point. But I don't think Furtive's continual suspicion there makes them look any better, is what I'm saying. Cat, Alianna and Goldfish all gave solid reasons for voting Radical Rat out even though I personally got townie vibes for them.
Personally I'd want us to track either Alianna or Cat here. Alianna's had fleeting suspicion throughout the game but it faded away a bit on D2. My own clear gives me some doubt but I still think Alianna/Dunn is a very possible team. Alianna had some suspicion on Dunn in D2 and then just gradually backed away from it. On Cat, I think their play was a lot more solid and felt quite townie on D2, but very much in a way that would make me worry it's mafia playing a clever game here.As for you townreading me, 1) appreciate it and 2) there must be reasons that you townread me.- Cat.Jpeg
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right now to win mafia has to avoid elimming either of themselves or their NK. Although if we elim the NK track won't give an 100% clear. It sucks we have even people. We need to avoid hasty voting and look at the game with fresh eyes. I guess its not that bad we have even people because if one town does vote another scum can't instantly hammer by themselves. We will need all town on a wagon to vote out a mafia unless one of them sacrifices the other, which i feel scum would be hesitant to do unless town thought the pair was unlikely and it was looking inevitable.- MalcolmTucker
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Quite possibly, just understandably wary you've potentially been trying to pocket me as scum, and confirming me as town could have easily been a way for you to try and take advantage of that.In post 904, furtiveglance wrote:
The way I see it, I probably haven't been that wrong (having scumread Dunnstral all game) and got unlucky with Radical Rat.In post 902, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I've TR'd you so far because even when you've been wrong I feel like you've been trying to drive the game forward or come up with solves when others have perhaps been more content to sit back. My issue now is - you were wrong in a way that's been beneficial to scum, and I now need to work out if that was genuine townie being wrong or scum successfully managing to sway our opinions.In post 893, furtiveglance wrote:
Mafia had to pick someone who wasn't going to be eliminated (otherwise they reduce their possible miselimination options), and you've been widely townread (apart from by Cat). It's probably as simple as that.In post 862, MalcolmTucker wrote:Hmm, the fact I've been cleared does make me wonder here if scum are trying to potentially misdirect me, or if they were at the start of the last turn when they picked me to have my alignment given. Given my main suspect has been Dunn (and still is based on play alone), it does make me wonder if Furtive is perhaps mafia and wanted to clear me since I'd largely TR'd them so far.
On the last vote, their suspicion of Radical Rat was at least consistent and so it wasn't a purely opportunistic vote - but I don't think there was anyone on the wagon who was necessarily all that opportunistic, but that doesn't rule out scum of course - quite possible for a scum player to have made a concerted push on Radical Rat early on in the hope it would go through at some point. But I don't think Furtive's continual suspicion there makes them look any better, is what I'm saying. Cat, Alianna and Goldfish all gave solid reasons for voting Radical Rat out even though I personally got townie vibes for them.
Personally I'd want us to track either Alianna or Cat here. Alianna's had fleeting suspicion throughout the game but it faded away a bit on D2. My own clear gives me some doubt but I still think Alianna/Dunn is a very possible team. Alianna had some suspicion on Dunn in D2 and then just gradually backed away from it. On Cat, I think their play was a lot more solid and felt quite townie on D2, but very much in a way that would make me worry it's mafia playing a clever game here.As for you townreading me, 1) appreciate it and 2) there must be reasons that you townread me.- furtiveglance
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Also, @Goldie, why do you townread Cat?In post 858, Alianna wrote:@Goldie and anyone else who hasn’t voiced an answer to this yet
Who do you think is the scumteam?I townread Alianna.
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I wanted Goldfish to say something before I did, I also needed to sleep.In post 908, MalcolmTucker wrote:Is Cat planning to hammer? Seems like nobody has any objections to this going through.- GoldfishFromTheMoon
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U wanted to see my response to your theory about me and malcom didn't you. I honestly dk what too say except that I can see why you thought of it because scum me would do that but that's not what's happening now. I kinda wonder tho if you are scum trying to throw us off the scent with a wacky theory.In post 913, Cat.Jpeg wrote:
I wanted Goldfish to say something before I didlIn post 908, MalcolmTucker wrote:Is Cat planning to hammer? Seems like nobody has any objections to this going through.
Legitimately right now I don't have any idea who the scum is. As Cat said I've townread or leaned every player who is currently alive so my reads are definitely wrong this game.- MalcolmTucker
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In post 755, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:I think there is exactly 1 scum in RR/furtive. It looks to me like a town/scum interaction, and if one of them flips town it's going to look really bad for the other.
Although throwing a crazy conspiracy out there (this is probably definitely wrong) what if it's both of them? Together, and this is a crazy megabus that's been going since day 1.In post 758, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:This is an interesting pairing, if furtive is scum cat is probably the partner. furtive's associations with a lot of the player list make it highly unlikely they are paired, but this isn's so with cat.
At the moment I still fairly strongly town read cat, but if furtive turns out to be scum that might change.
This game has a lot of associatives.In post 792, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:Intent to hammer Radical Rat.
Not that it means anything with 4 hours till deadline.
This is going through no matter what I do.In post 796, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:Cat's scumcase was good.
And you guys are right intent is kinda pointless in this setup so I'll end this.
VOTE: radical rat
I don't like thisIn post 914, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
U wanted to see my response to your theory about me and malcom didn't you. I honestly dk what too say except that I can see why you thought of it because scum me would do that but that's not what's happening now. I kinda wonder tho if you are scum trying to throw us off the scent with a wacky theory.In post 913, Cat.Jpeg wrote:
I wanted Goldfish to say something before I didlIn post 908, MalcolmTucker wrote:Is Cat planning to hammer? Seems like nobody has any objections to this going through.
Legitimately right now I don't have any idea who the scum is. As Cat said I've townread or leaned every player who is currently alive so my reads are definitely wrong this game.- MegAzumarill
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Final Vote Count Day 3 Ability
Cat.jpeg (4) Alianna, Dunnstral, GoldfishFromTheMoon, MalcolmTucker
Not Voting (2) furtiveglance, Cat.Jpeg,
With 6 alive it takes 4 to make a decision.
Deadline:(expired on 2022-05-28 16:47:57)
Cat.jpeg will be tracked tonight. The elimination phase will begin.
Vote Count 3.1.0
Not Voting (6) furtiveglance, Cat.Jpeg, Alianna, Dunnstral, GoldfishFromTheMoon, MalcolmTucker
With 6 alive it takes 4 to send someone away.
Deadline:(expired on 2022-05-30 07:43:44)
Imprefection is the spice of life.- GoldfishFromTheMoon
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What specifically do you find suspicious about this? You seem to be picking and choosing individual posts, and then putting them all next to each other to make it look like a progression when in reality there were many other things I, and other people said which you are ignoring here, which give these posts context that means they make sense.In post 916, Dunnstral wrote:In post 755, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:I think there is exactly 1 scum in RR/furtive. It looks to me like a town/scum interaction, and if one of them flips town it's going to look really bad for the other.
Although throwing a crazy conspiracy out there (this is probably definitely wrong) what if it's both of them? Together, and this is a crazy megabus that's been going since day 1.In post 758, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:This is an interesting pairing, if furtive is scum cat is probably the partner. furtive's associations with a lot of the player list make it highly unlikely they are paired, but this isn's so with cat.
At the moment I still fairly strongly town read cat, but if furtive turns out to be scum that might change.
This game has a lot of associatives.In post 792, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:Intent to hammer Radical Rat.
Not that it means anything with 4 hours till deadline.
This is going through no matter what I do.In post 796, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:Cat's scumcase was good.
And you guys are right intent is kinda pointless in this setup so I'll end this.
VOTE: radical rat
I don't like thisIn post 914, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
U wanted to see my response to your theory about me and malcom didn't you. I honestly dk what too say except that I can see why you thought of it because scum me would do that but that's not what's happening now. I kinda wonder tho if you are scum trying to throw us off the scent with a wacky theory.In post 913, Cat.Jpeg wrote:
I wanted Goldfish to say something before I didlIn post 908, MalcolmTucker wrote:Is Cat planning to hammer? Seems like nobody has any objections to this going through.
Legitimately right now I don't have any idea who the scum is. As Cat said I've townread or leaned every player who is currently alive so my reads are definitely wrong this game.- Dunnstral
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Upon further reflection mafia had a choice between track, watch, and imprison
I'd argue that tracker was a worse choice for the mafia than watcher would have been, and the only reason not to pick watcher is if the mafia is worried that town will guess correctly
So to me that makes it more likely that goldfish was selected as the kill. If goldfish were mafia their options for the kill are realistically alianna or cat, and I'm not sure why they would pick track instead of watch.
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