Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Gamma Emerald]

to demoralize town

[Enchant]

demoralize how?
We win anyway

[Harley Quinn]

well it would take 4 days to elim all 4 VTs

we could do it in a day if we fast night every night or 8 days if we don't

I think you’re too focused on mech. We should be basing this more on play - highest scum equity to lowest. This way if we’re wrong on both Enchant or STD, this game won’t take forever.

[Ausuka]

Ok I might have a better idea

Since I am guaranteed to survive the night, I will jailkeep randomly in [Save the Dragons, Titus]

Roden if scum has a 50% chance of being caught out and not knowing who I jailkept - since scum aren't multitasking.

This is a small upside since it's not a hard clear on Roden anyway, but there's no apparent downside to it

[Ausuka]

It might have been better play to just not say anything and jailkeep Titus but the world where a quickelim happens tomorrow before I get in the thread for some reason and STD coasts to a win haunts me

[Enchant]

Ok I might have a better idea

Since I am guaranteed to survive the night, I will jailkeep randomly in [Save the Dragons, Titus]

Roden if scum has a 50% chance of being caught out and not knowing who I jailkept - since scum aren't multitasking.

This is a small upside since it's not a hard clear on Roden anyway, but there's no apparent downside to it

I don't see point in protecting like that.

[Ausuka]

Roden can't kill and use voyeur at the same time

[Harley Quinn]

Roden can't kill and use voyeur at the same time

I looked back to when Roden claimed his results on Enchant. He claimed them after you claimed jk on Wallflower but he made it a point of saying that no one targeted Enchant. Had he wanted to save Wallflower, why say that? If Roden’s scum, he could say he cannot confirm results, couldn’t he? So by confirming no one visited Enchant, he guaranteed the mech guilty on Wallflower.

[Ausuka]

I mean yeah I think Roden is town anyway but I think it's good to have mechanical evidence supporting that

I know my plan doesn't do a lot, but it gives us something and loses us nothing as far as I can see


I mean if people want to start voting up the VTs I'm willing to hammer and fast night, I think this game is a win either way and I'm not sure what else to say

[Harley Quinn]

HEM ISO I think spews both Dwlee and Titus as town.

[Harley Quinn]

town should never pick bp over ascetic cop

What's the scum agenda though? I feel like Enchant can only be scum if scum with MathBlade.

I think atp we should just cut the massclaim now and avoid any further damage if it's this contentious

I think I'm with you on this, and I think Math is the way to go today

What do people make about this?

[Ausuka]

Seems lightly scum indicative for enchant I guess?

[Save The Dragons]

if you wanna kill me you can kill me if it's easier i think this game is pretty much won for town

[Harley Quinn]

Actually, you know what?

VOTE: Enchant

I don’t care about the numbers

I do think it's best to avoid talking to Math atm until he's ready to listen about how he's affecting people and how his communication isn't working. He's just not willing to. I'm not going to engage his opinions on me, but if someone thinks he makes a particular point they'd want my input on, I'd be glad to answer.

I don't think Math will be better until Dwlee or I flip or are mech cleared, even if I reasses on Dwlee. Math's positions make me not want to though even though I don't have a strong read on Dwlee. I just feel he is town.

Also, given the fact we're getting a Math wagon together,, I find Wallflower's timing off. Enchant strategically isn't be best lim for day 1 because he's a certain power role. If he took vengeful (pretty much a scum claim) it will not change. If he took ascetic cop, he'll get a result unless scum kill him. The only exception is that if Enchant took a one shot vig. He'd use it N1 and would have next to no idea who to shoot. However, there's a risk any scum takes the one shot vig.

My thoughts might not make complete sense and maybe I have this pathological need to be DIFFERENT, but my understanding is that the main reason this matches Math-scum is the giving up on saving HEM rather than just continuing to push the townread, right? I am concerned by that too, but given the state of the game and especially HEM not even posting at the time, I can see a world where math truly feels that way.

When it comes to Enchant, it just feels… wrong to me that we have to let speculation about a role Enchant may or may not have take them off the table, especially when there’s no one else I actually could vote for right now and say “yeah that feels right to me”

I've said all along (well for the last couple of RL days) that roden, enchant and gamma are at a similar place in my reads. Not my top picks for scum but possible.

First I'm asked WHY IS ENCHANT A TOWNREAD???

Then I say the same thing as the first line that I said a while back

Then I'm asked WHY IS RODEN A SCUMREAD???

seriously

Yes because you still haven’t explained that at all.

On balance, I think Roden is probably town. He hasn’t pinged me in the same way Titus and implosion have, but I often realise that I don’t actually think much about Roden. He’s not at the front of my mind, and I don’t think the reasons for townreading him are that solid. So, while he’s still more likely town than scum, he’s not as much of a townread as others.

On balance, I think Enchant is probably town. There are things about how Enchant has played that I think are quite townie for them (for e.g. the way that they went about the BP claim), but I don’t feel confident in my ability to read Enchant, and with a lot of people thinking they are scum, I have to admit there’s a reasonable chance I’m wrong. Sure, deep down I suspect that I am right, but I can’t be as confident in that as people I townread more.

This could be possible scum distancing. Votes Enchant when he was clearly in no danger. Trs him when he is then votes him while suddenly doing a 180 about not wanting to be limmed. I don’t think Wallflower thought she had a chance at not dying. She likely realized it would look bad for Enchant if she didn’t make an effort.

I seriously doubt that she thought it would change anyone’s mind on her. I think it was done for wifom purposes.

[Harley Quinn]

I just don’t understand why scum wouldn’t have targeted Ari but fliiped scum!Wallflower doesn’t make these posts.

Or you are bad at game.

Ari, Ausuka, Dwlee, Bella, Roden, Gamma all town. I’m very convinced of this. Titus, probably, Implosion maybe? STD who knows?

Who else is left other than Enchant?

You don't really want to see me walts with conftown status while bulletproof, do you?

You're not conftown, we've been saying you were going to get elim'd on Day 4 since the start of the game.

Who's scum?

I will turn after second scum die and i am jailkept while kill happens.

OH I DON'T KNOW WHO IS MAFIA.

MAYBE I VOTING THEM.

YOU KNOW. PERHAPS?

I just don’t understand why scum wouldn’t have targeted Ari but fliiped scum!Wallflower doesn’t make these posts.

Or you are bad at game.

Why does this post seem informed to me?

Because it's truth.

You literally played with me once before and it was my towngame where you was scum.

Stop lying pls.

I would be down to clown if it got that far

Then why won't you selfvote?

I love these last two posts, almost as amusing as his Ari’s the devil but we won’t lim her > HEM because of anime.

[Datisi]

prodding Titus.

[Titus]

I'm sorry I've fallen behind. I had a major setback with my PTSD. I'll post content tmo or late tonight.

I think we can just turbo lim the vts and keep jailing Enchant. Roden can verify the PRs are as they claim minus Roden.

[Titus]

*minus Implosion.

[implosion]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

I don't think it really matters who Ausuka JKs right now so long as it's one of the VTs or Enchant, if scum are NKing it won't matter and if they shoot then all that's important is we get some new clear.

[Ausuka]

I agree that it doesn't matter really. I think limiting it to a pool of two people and asking Roden to target in them is optimal to catch out scum Roden, but that's like a nerd 0.01% winrate thing to care about

VOTE: Save the Dragons

Fine with this too as long as we move forward from the stall some way or another.

jk pool is Titus or enchant

[Aristeia]

I guess we're doing this

VOTE: Save the Dragons

[Gamma Emerald]

:/

[Roden]

I'm fine with that plan. And tbh I didn't even realize that I helped mech guilt Wallflower there.

I still think it's just Enchant tbh, but if people want to vote STD just in case then fine.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[Enchant]

VOTE: STD

boink

[Datisi]

beep