Open 857 | Frienemies | Postgame

[fireisredsir]

^ This. So I'm not town because I don't post that much? I understand though, I don't like lurkers too! Speaking of, Malakittens hasn't posted yet has she?

idk if i mentioned this or if i decided i didn't care enough, but while we're on the hut subject this is prob the one thing from them that looks more like new-ish scum than new-ish town to me

the like slightly awkward acknowledging that the pattern of play is scummy while redirecting onto someone else

nothing else really stood out to me or looked that different from their approach in their town game

[Datisi]

okay, i read the case

i want to say "A for effort" because i don't think scum!baltar posts a case like that there, unless he's scum with very specific few people AND he's trying to galaxy brain guess the gamestate that's going to be happening in the rest of d1 (which i don't *think* scum!him does usually?)

the content of that case is not really convincing tho, sorry ): i can go in further if anyone thinks that's necessary or something, but like, i don't feel like doing it if i don't have to lol

*however*, andante's read on hut is. uh. i am extremely skeptical, to say the least, that she went from thinking they're one of her top suspects, to townreading them based on... them counting the amount of times she has voted this game. like, read her original thoughts on them in 310, then read their 508. like.

still, i don't wanna vote andante at least before doing my due diligence on what ari has told me, because i know she is actually decent at reading andante, but to say it's not tempting would be a lie

[VP Baltar]

aren't you just doubling down on me?

How am I doubling down on you? Where have I been proven incorrect?

You saying "I'm town", isn't really a counterpoint.

[Datisi]

i was about to type out a vote on fire, and then i remembered my one (1) reason to townlean fire

give me your hottest take on the game, please

[Andante]

okay, i read the case

i want to say "A for effort" because i don't think scum!baltar posts a case like that there, unless he's scum with very specific few people AND he's trying to galaxy brain guess the gamestate that's going to be happening in the rest of d1 (which i don't *think* scum!him does usually?)

the content of that case is not really convincing tho, sorry ): i can go in further if anyone thinks that's necessary or something, but like, i don't feel like doing it if i don't have to lol

*however*, andante's read on hut is. uh. i am extremely skeptical, to say the least, that she went from thinking they're one of her top suspects, to townreading them based on... them counting the amount of times she has voted this game. like, read her original thoughts on them in 310, then read their 508. like.

still, i don't wanna vote andante at least before doing my due diligence on what ari has told me, because i know she is actually decent at reading andante, but to say it's not tempting would be a lie

you wanna vote me cause of my hut read? I mean, I'm giving this the best effort I can here, I'm literally being tunneled by VP, and no one else is doing too much to actually read.. so, yeah.. I don't expect any accuracy from me

[Andante]

aren't you just doubling down on me?

How am I doubling down on you? Where have I been proven incorrect?

You saying "I'm town", isn't really a counterpoint.

ok I think we have different definitions of doubling down.

know what?
I'm maf VP, you caught me! congrats! Good work

[Andante]

VOTE: implosion

this is very likely red

[Gamma Emerald]

Weird that you didn't think it was productive to respond to me when I was clearly trying to engage you but you thought 398, 399, and 401 were productive.

Yeah this is town.

[Datisi]

you wanna vote me cause of my hut read? I mean, I'm giving this the best effort I can here, I'm literally being tunneled by VP, and no one else is doing too much to actually read.. so, yeah.. I don't expect any accuracy from me

i think your hut read is bs, maybe tmi

it's not about you being "accurate" because fuck if i know what alignment hut is, it's about the thought process you presented (or, lack thereof) making me wanna yeet you into the stratosphere

but it wouldn't be the first time it happened for town!you so you know life is pain

[fireisredsir]

i was about to type out a vote on fire, and then i remembered my one (1) reason to townlean fire

give me your hottest take on the game, please

my hottest take is that the game is boring but i think thats actually kind of a cold take

alignment related im p sure gamma is scum, which is maybe a boring take but nobody else seems to be looking in that direction so that makes it hot

idk i don't have a lot of opinions i care about here

[fireisredsir]

also im probably contributing to the game being boring by not being very active so i shouldn't really complain!

[Datisi]

oh, another thought i had: i don't think s_s and vpb share a scum pt this game, like, ever

if that were the case, i think baltar would've at least mentioned how dangerous aristeia can be if she's really set on murdering someone. so the fact that not only would s_s dive out to support baltar, but then also double down on it later on when given the opportunity to talk about *anything*, is not something he does about his own partner.

the thoughts in a vacuum are +town, but i think they're p much clearing if scum!vpb because i just don't see scum!s_s do that

[Andante]

making me wanna yeet you into the stratosphere

Nice!!!
@VP you found yourself a partner in crime!!!

[Andante]

Weird that you didn't think it was productive to respond to me when I was clearly trying to engage you but you thought 398, 399, and 401 were productive.

Yeah this is town.

I think SS is town, for different reasons though, but sure

[Datisi]

alignment related im p sure gamma is scum, which is maybe a boring take but nobody else seems to be looking in that direction so that makes it hot

skimmed that iso

VOTE: gamma emerald

i can support that idea

[fireisredsir]

let's goooo game is less boring now!!

[Andante]

@fire what are your thoughts on VP's scum case on me?

[Andante]

VOTE: gamma

gottem

[fireisredsir]

also I think if I'm scum feeling this way about the game I don't really throw myself into things the way I have, which is also why I voted vulture, because it feels like she's doing what I would be doing as scum here

so you think you would be taking on more of a sitting back and observing role if you were scum here?

yeah

i think this is just straight up not true btw

[fireisredsir]

@fire what are your thoughts on VP's scum case on me?

i think the things he's pointing out are in fact there, but i don't really see why those things make you more likely to be scum. i don't think he's much more likely to be scum for it but idk

[Gamma Emerald]

did you need me for anything when you mentioned me?

nah, I was just like "oh wait, where's datisi?" you're not one of the 8 with like no posts though so overall you're fine

8???

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you saying someone with <50 posts rn has “no posts”???

[Andante]

did you need me for anything when you mentioned me?

nah, I was just like "oh wait, where's datisi?" you're not one of the 8 with like no posts though so overall you're fine

8???

ocho

[Datisi]

Are you saying someone with <50 posts rn has “no posts”???

do you have any reads

[Aristeia]

because I'm literally asking you what you want to talk about?

Well, okay, let's talk about 394 then. I feel like I have a decent sense, as scum, of what things I shouldn't do because they'll attract primarily negative attention. And that sense is absent as town-- it almost never enters the equation. Probably because I have some amount of faith in the scumhunting skill of the people I'm playing with, that I assume that if I keep saying genuine things as town people will more often than not eventually read me town for it.

I can only speak for myself, but I would imagine that at least some other people are like this? It's hard to imagine not having that sense as scum, I guess I can imagine also having it as town but I'm sure many people don't.

So I think that it's a reasonable defense, or at least, the claim deserves to be looked at specifically rather than just dismissed in the abstract.

His point is that he wouldn't "attack Datisi" if he was mafia because it "gains him nothing"

Now we know from what Datisi has said that VPB jokingly said to Datisi that he was going to yeet Datisi before the game began[before alignments were handed out].

If VPB decides to play in a different manner, that would be suspect because why would he not follow through on his "joke"?

So if VPB receives a mafia role pm, he can't "chicken out of it" because Datisi would wonder "hey why isn't VPB attacking me like he said he would?" maybe he got a scum role PM.

and VPB would know that Datisi would think along these lines so therefore he basically needs to attack Datisi - this is where the "forced to attack" comes in.

The tone of the push feels halfway between a joke and like serious; it doesn't feel substantive enough to be real suspicion and it's not funny enough to be a joke, it just feels like some awkward thing he's doing because he has to do it.

I agree VPB would know not to do things that look bad - but in this case I believe if he doesn't attack Datisi right away it looks even more susp to Datisi.