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Post Post #900 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:47 am

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with mala i think it is slightly different bc here people aren't really saying "mala is lurking, she lurks as scum, therefore she's scum", they're more saying "mala is lurking, lurking is scummy, therefore she's scum". the first point is one that she would take issue with, the second one much less so. then again idk if she's even read enough to know which is going on here
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Post Post #901 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:48 am

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@Hutmeil: is meta the only way you would/generally approach games? There’s a level of familiarity that most players have here but equally as you feel I’m claiming to be low energy to lurk, I feel like you’re using meta (or lack thereof) as a shield to avoid engaging the game.
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Post Post #902 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:49 am

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In post 900, fireisredsir wrote:with mala i think it is slightly different bc here people aren't really saying "mala is lurking, she lurks as scum, therefore she's scum", they're more saying "mala is lurking, lurking is scummy, therefore she's scum". the first point is one that she would take issue with, the second one much less so. then again idk if she's even read enough to know which is going on here
I don't think either of these are what they're saying at all? They're saying "mala is lurking, in a towngame she reacted much differently to being pushed for lurking, therefore she's scum"
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Post Post #903 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:50 am

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ig gamma used meta but i thought that was scummy of him anyway so lol idk
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Post Post #904 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:51 am

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In post 893, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 888, implosion wrote:
In post 886, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 508, hutmeil wrote:So I'm not town because I don't post that much? I understand though, I don't like lurkers too! Speaking of, Malakittens hasn't posted yet has she?
In post 882, hutmeil wrote:I think the only slot I can meta is Mala. I played with Mala last game. Mala was lurking but she turned out to be Town so Mala!lurker doesn't equate to Mala!scum. But then again, I don't like lurkers. So for me, lurking can be a scum strategy, but given my meta on her, I'll let her go at least for now.
actually these two in combination is p sus as well
For what reason? I can think of a reason but want to know if it's what you're thinking
my reason is that they redirected accusations of lurking onto another slot, Mala, one that they later mentioned they had meta of her lurking as town. bringing her up specifically as the one to redirect on makes it feel to me like they knew that she was likely to continue lurking as town and thus would be an easy push to make

it doesn't really make sense from town bc i don't know why you make the first quote when you already have the knowledge in the second quote
My mala take is just me pointing out that I don't have meta info on anybody else. I guess the timing is wrong, I should have pointed that out in the beginning.
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Post Post #905 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:52 am

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In post 902, implosion wrote:
In post 900, fireisredsir wrote:with mala i think it is slightly different bc here people aren't really saying "mala is lurking, she lurks as scum, therefore she's scum", they're more saying "mala is lurking, lurking is scummy, therefore she's scum". the first point is one that she would take issue with, the second one much less so. then again idk if she's even read enough to know which is going on here
I don't think either of these are what they're saying at all? They're saying "mala is lurking, in a towngame she reacted much differently to being pushed for lurking, therefore she's scum"
ik what ari is saying. im talking about the distinction between the "being pushed for lurking" in the two games, so the earlier reasons for mala suspicions, not the current ones. in the linked game people were specifically making the argument that she had lurked it out a lot in recent scumgames, and that specifically was what she responded to emotionally, the idea that lurking was AI for her based on her meta
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Post Post #906 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:52 am

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In post 903, fireisredsir wrote:ig gamma used meta but i thought that was scummy of him anyway so lol idk
I'm not talking about Gamma, I'm talking about -890
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Post Post #907 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:53 am

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the gamma point was a follow up to my post not a response to yours
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Post Post #908 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:53 am

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889 and 890 are not relevant to mala's response bc she hasn't responded to them
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Post Post #909 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:53 am

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In post 901, Vulture wrote:@Hutmeil: is meta the only way you would/generally approach games? There’s a level of familiarity that most players have here but equally as you feel I’m claiming to be low energy to lurk, I feel like you’re using meta (or lack thereof) as a shield to avoid engaging the game.
As in: I feel your responses to me regarding and currently hinge on a singular thing that happened early, and the majority of everything else is... I guess to me weird transition into a lot of mentions about meta and you’re not doing it so you like... can’t I guess make content? Won’t?

There’s a fair amount of it but my point ultimately is that if you’ve been following/reading the game you’d have realized there was a lot more you could speak about.

If you are town I understand that this game is hard to engage (I have others too have said as much) but I’d appreciate a deeper dive if you have the time, if only to my replies selfishly.
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Post Post #910 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:59 am

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In post 901, Vulture wrote:@Hutmeil: is meta the only way you would/generally approach games? There’s a level of familiarity that most players have here but equally as you feel I’m claiming to be low energy to lurk, I feel like you’re using meta (or lack thereof) as a shield to avoid engaging the game.
On the contrary. As I've mentioned before, I lack meta info so I'm just basing things on their own merits. To be honest, I feel kinda out of place since I'm the only one new here and you guys have played each other multiple times. So when you guys talk and banter, I just prefer to listen (read).

Also, I guess because of the 10-year hiatus, I'm still getting used to the game again.

But I'll try to engage more often (hopefully!). It's quite hard to come back and see 10-15 new pages to read all at once!
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Post Post #911 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:03 am

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In post 909, Vulture wrote:
In post 901, Vulture wrote:@Hutmeil: is meta the only way you would/generally approach games? There’s a level of familiarity that most players have here but equally as you feel I’m claiming to be low energy to lurk, I feel like you’re using meta (or lack thereof) as a shield to avoid engaging the game.
As in: I feel your responses to me regarding and currently hinge on a singular thing that happened early, and the majority of everything else is... I guess to me weird transition into a lot of mentions about meta and you’re not doing it so you like... can’t I guess make content? Won’t?

There’s a fair amount of it but my point ultimately is that if you’ve been following/reading the game you’d have realized there was a lot more you could speak about.

If you are town I understand that this game is hard to engage (I have others too have said as much) but I’d appreciate a deeper dive if you have the time, if only to my replies selfishly.
I'll try to ISO your posts later. Now, I have to sleep, it's 3am here!
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Post Post #912 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:06 am

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In post 910, hutmeil wrote:
In post 901, Vulture wrote:@Hutmeil: is meta the only way you would/generally approach games? There’s a level of familiarity that most players have here but equally as you feel I’m claiming to be low energy to lurk, I feel like you’re using meta (or lack thereof) as a shield to avoid engaging the game.
On the contrary. As I've mentioned before, I lack meta info so I'm just basing things on their own merits. To be honest, I feel kinda out of place since I'm the only one new here and you guys have played each other multiple times. So when you guys talk and banter, I just prefer to listen (read).

Also, I guess because of the 10-year hiatus, I'm still getting used to the game again.

But I'll try to engage more often (hopefully!). It's quite hard to come back and see 10-15 new pages to read all at once!
my advice would be that you don't particularly need to understand every slot in the game, just skim and try to feel for what you think is out of place or scummy - one good idea is worth more than many wrong ones.
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Post Post #913 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:04 am

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In post 865, Andante wrote:
In post 862, Gamma Emerald wrote:maybe the fact you are claiming people are saying things they aren't?

If you're trying to be funny, you're just being an asshole atp.
maybe im genuinely annoyed that you and VP are tunneling me off something so bad, I'm literally not intentionally saying people are saying things they aren't

sorry I'm the one being an asshole here...
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Post Post #914 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:05 am

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In post 875, Andante wrote:
In post 873, Datisi wrote:tldr on this?
I mean, do you think he's town? he's just there. like, not actively doing anything, literally just existing. and like I've been calling him maf all game, and he just shrugs it off. implosion is where my strongest SR is right now
how is him shrugging off being called scum scummy?
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Post Post #915 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:08 am

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In post 903, fireisredsir wrote:ig gamma used meta but i thought that was scummy of him anyway so lol idk
this feels incredibly disingenuous
what do you think I do as town?
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Post Post #916 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:11 am

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okay, now that i read the hutmeil post in full... it seems misrep-y? like, vulture didn't try to make a meta argument, they tried to get hutmeil to actually think about their own scumread and the validity of it. and to continuous response of "you cannot make me do any meta!!" feels like... sorta a scummy misunderstanding of the original request. like not even trying to understand the argument.

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Post Post #917 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:17 am

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is a very townie post and i will be kind of sad if fireisredsir is red
In post 895, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 804, Datisi wrote:why?
i think it's kinda obvious - but i'm not sure how i feel about you. I didn't want to keep using question mark gifs...gotta change it up.
i understood what the gif meant, i was hoping to hear an elaboration on that >_>

@implo, can you answer the part of my addressed to you?
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Post Post #918 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:22 am

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In post 917, Datisi wrote:i will be kind of sad if fireisredsir is red
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Post Post #919 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:23 am

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In post 915, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 903, fireisredsir wrote:ig gamma used meta but i thought that was scummy of him anyway so lol idk
this feels incredibly disingenuous
what do you think I do as town?
using meta wasn't what was scummy, i assumed that was obvious tho

the scummy thing (in ) was piggybacking on someone else's suspicion and pushing it along by saying that she was similarly lurky in a scum game you played with her, without any consideration for whether she's lurky as town. that second part could just be bad play, people do it all the time, but the way it was following and pushing someone else's read forward felt opportunistic and scummy to me
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Post Post #920 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:26 am

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In post 919, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 915, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 903, fireisredsir wrote:ig gamma used meta but i thought that was scummy of him anyway so lol idk
this feels incredibly disingenuous
what do you think I do as town?
using meta wasn't what was scummy, i assumed that was obvious tho

the scummy thing (in ) was piggybacking on someone else's suspicion and pushing it along by saying that she was similarly lurky in a scum game you played with her, without any consideration for whether she's lurky as town. that second part could just be bad play, people do it all the time, but the way it was following and pushing someone else's read forward felt opportunistic and scummy to me
I also played in a game where she was kinda lurky as town and I wouldn't say it was similar to this or PYP
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Post Post #921 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:27 am

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still want to know what you think my town meta is btw!
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Post Post #922 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:30 am

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In post 917, Datisi wrote: is a very townie post and i will be kind of sad if fireisredsir is red
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Post Post #923 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:32 am

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In post 920, Gamma Emerald wrote:I also played in a game where she was kinda lurky as town and I wouldn't say it was similar to this or PYP
then that would have been useful info to bring up at the time, and doing so unprompted prob would have made it less scummy!

idk what relevance your town meta has here? i wasn't making a meta point about you
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Post Post #924 (ISO) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:32 am

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In post 922, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 917, Datisi wrote: is a very townie post and i will be kind of sad if fireisredsir is red
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