Open 856: Deputy cultists (Game over)

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #825 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:09 am

Beat/Furtive/Korina I just have no idea about

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #826 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:09 am

Furtive wanting to elim Jacket probably makes him Cult though. Maybe CL?

Nathann · Post Post #827 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:10 am

In post 801, Beat wrote:
In post 799, Nathann wrote:
In post 793, Beat wrote:When cat flipped town I took some time to reevaluate and ended up with the same conclusion.
When did this happen?
I mean I cant prove I did so because it was out of thread.

I'm not asking you to prove it. I'm asking you to show me what your thought process was there.

Nathann · Post Post #828 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:10 am

In post 818, furtiveglance wrote:I think it's 2 of Bellaphant/BBT/Korina.

Do you think it's likely BBT and Jacket are partners? Because that's one of the first pairs I ruled out.

Nathann · Post Post #829 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:15 am

In post 826, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Furtive wanting to elim Jacket probably makes him Cult though. Maybe CL?

Kind of doubt it. Trying to go for a win here by eliminating Jacket seems kind of impossible to do, since literally nobody agrees with furtiveglance.

Which actually has me thinking. If the Cult could win today by eliminating Prime!Jacket... why is nobody giving support to furtiveglance? Could be either Cult!furtiveglance testing the waters by himself, or Town!furtiveglance actually hitting the Cult Leader.

I guess this train of thought isn't as useful as I'd hoped.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #830 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:24 am

They're good points to be fair - though I expect one to push and one to wait if Jacket is Prime. If Jacket is CL, then we deserve to lose for not sorting the claims on D1. We can't really afford any mistakes now.

Furtive, do you have anything at all to support your Jacket CL push?

Nathann · Post Post #831 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:28 am

I have another thought why Jacket might actually be Cult Leader, but... like everything else in this game, it's pure WIFOM and completely unreliable. And I wanna see furtiveglance answer that question first.

Bellaphant · Post Post #832 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:16 am

Bbt jacket doesn't make much sense, no. I also think jacket/beat does make sense, and bbt/beat is nonsense.

Id like to hear from furtive.

Bellaphant · Post Post #833 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:17 am

Bbt/beat only makes sense if bbt is cl, for me.

Jacket · Post Post #834 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:12 am

In post 803, RH9 wrote:
In post 794, Jacket wrote:I'm not cult.
I see.
Then, what do you think of what furtive said in 732?

It's wrong.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #835 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:11 am

Jacket isn't even attempting to pretend to solve anymore.

I guess we go Beat and hope for the best?

Beat · Post Post #836 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:33 am

I'm fairly sure furtive is trying to get Jacket killed because jacket is prime and they are s/s.

Korina · Post Post #837 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:04 am

So Furtive CL?

furtiveglance · Post Post #838 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:31 am

This feels like a bastard game, with me as the only town. Why am I in everyone's solve?

Beat · Post Post #839 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:37 am

In post 837, Korina wrote:So Furtive CL?

.....

Bellaphant · Post Post #840 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:37 am

Can you answer bbts question, furtive?

furtiveglance · Post Post #841 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:56 am

I already explained why Jacket is Leader.

furtiveglance · Post Post #842 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:57 am

If not Jacket, then I'm just lost.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #843 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:57 am

Explain again.

Like I'm 5.

furtiveglance · Post Post #844 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:36 am

1) Jacket/Nathann/RH9 claim Vengeful Townie. There are 2 in the setup. One of these 3 players is Cult.

2) I notice RH9 softing Vengeful multiple times and strongly townread Nathann from early game. I deduce that Jacket is Cult.

3) I (Town) vote Jacket (Cult), several times. If Jacket was Prime, Cult would vote with me. It helps their win condition as they can then convert town.

4) No one votes with me. Ever. Only Nathann and RH9 even listen to my thoughts. They are both town in my mind. Several shady characters - you, Bellaphant, Korina - all dissuade me from voting Jacket for various reasons, or just ignore my vote completely.

5) I deduce that Jacket is Cult Leader, as Cult are reluctant to vote them.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #845 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:40 am

In post 297, furtiveglance wrote:I reckon RH9 is Cult not Nathan, I like Nathan.

In post 300, furtiveglance wrote:When did he soft?

Haha.

Oh, YOU noticed RH9 softing, did you?

furtiveglance · Post Post #846 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:45 am

I noticed it via you. That's just semantics, stop getting away from the point at hand.

Nathann · Post Post #847 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:49 am

In post 831, Nathann wrote:I have another thought why Jacket might actually be Cult Leader, but... like everything else in this game, it's pure WIFOM and completely unreliable.

To explain this -- I think Jacket is a good Scum player. Definitely good enough to be able to do false associates. Or at the very least, make himself so annoying that we are either incapable of sorting, or we have to eliminate him. He's basically scumclaimed anyway, so why is he not getting in our way? One obvious answer is because he's not actually a Prime Cultist.

But it doesn't mean it's impossible Prime!Jacket is just lazy, I guess.

In slightly related news, I am back to thinking furtiveglance is Town. Does that mean I should be YOLO voting Jacket? I don't know.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #848 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:51 am

I'll YOLO vote Jacket.

No-one seems to give a fuck in this game anyway

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #849 (ISO) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:52 am

Jacket could be baiting CL though or trying not to give away any associatives