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[Andante]

penguin is doing nothing just shitposting. i thought his entrance was townie just on vibes but after seeing nothing happening with the slot i'm slowly getting more and more convinced it's just a scum slot doing nothing and lurking.

mala's attempts at catching up have seemed town, they remind me of the coalition game

I don't think penguin is maf here, that penguin gif in response to "I'm waiting for penguin" like, yes I laughed, but I don't think that's how scum!penguin approaches this game.

and the fact mala's "catchup" happened when she has all the votes on her means nothing? mala is mafia here.

[Andante]

atp I'm basically waiting for Penguin to show up and post something

like, this gif was PERFECT lmaooo I don't think scum!penguin responds this, scum!penguin would probably be more concerned about the votes, this just feels like town... pretty close to the half of a town game I looked at too. sure I have no idea what scum!penguin looks like, I just think mala is a lot scummier here than penguin...

[Aristeia]

I am glad we have an expert gif analyst on the team.

[VP Baltar]

No, I like this. Let's try it.

VOTE: Mala

What is to like about it?

[fireisredsir]

oh mods of the discord server is over now, i did see penguin town there kinda just not really care at all about people finding him as town when it was a very immediately pressing concern.

could just be a personality thing, ig? but it seemed like there at least he was still trying to solve despite that

[Andante]

I mean, why is there opposition to limming mala here.... mala is mafia and none yall want to vote mala

[Save The Dragons]

let me take another look at mala

[Save The Dragons]

eh maybe i'm wrong and i should just sheep andante here

[Save The Dragons]

ari you seemed pretty sure about mala because she didn't react as harshly as she did in the coalition game, what are your mala thoughts now?

[fireisredsir]

im not super opposed to a mala wagon, i kinda lean town but it's a weak feeling so meh whatever

i do think that the

- this person is scummy
- let's wagon them for pressure to see if they do anything towny
- they don't do anything towny
- well maybe they're not scum let's wagon somewhere else

pipeline is wild tho, like what's the point

[Aristeia]

ari you seemed pretty sure about mala because she didn't react as harshly as she did in the coalition game, what are your mala thoughts now?

I'm not sure about mala but penguin is literally lolcatting here?

[Gamma Emerald]

penguin is doing nothing just shitposting. i thought his entrance was townie just on vibes but after seeing nothing happening with the slot i'm slowly getting more and more convinced it's just a scum slot doing nothing and lurking.

mala's attempts at catching up have seemed town, they remind me of the coalition game

I don't think penguin is maf here, that penguin gif in response to "I'm waiting for penguin" like, yes I laughed, but I don't think that's how scum!penguin approaches this game.

srsly?

[hutmeil]

why isn't mala an option?

I don't think there's a wagon on Mala? Plus the top 2 wagons are on me and Penguin.

I don’t care about current wagons, I’ll ask again, why can’t Mala be an option here?

Not sure what you mean but sure Mala can be an option. She's in my sr as a lurker. I'm fine eliminating lurkers on d1. But I don't think we can get there since it's basically me or penguin at this point.

you see how no one is around or doing anything with their votes right now? it means no one is actually deadset on who they vote. I think the consensus is just whoever in mala/penguin/hut

Like, I'm pretty certain mala is not town, only doing anything when there's direct pressure? that feels scum indicative to me. I'm not sure I'm a fan of this "must be hut or penguin!!!" "woe is me" thing like, getting the mala votes is not going to be a hard thing to do. So I'll ask again. Why not mala? what is townier about mala lurking than penguin lurking?

That's why I don't like (or trust?) all this meta stuff. You see Mala was lurking in our last game too but she turned out town. Now if I were to read her based on meta, then I should read her as town. But then again she knows that I know her meta so she could play like her last game to appear as town even when she's maf. My point is meta is not reliable at all.

So it's not really about who's townier for me. I'd Elim anyone on my sr. I voted for vulture before but that got nowhere. Then came Penguin who is being Sr'd by others i tr hence the vote.

Im taking note of the current 3 votes as of this writing on Mala though. Is that maf trying to save their mafmate in Peng? Maybe.

[fireisredsir]

Im taking note of the current 3 votes as of this writing on Mala though. Is that maf trying to save their mafmate in Peng? Maybe.

ok nice, there's an original unprompted thought

do you have any thoughts on who that could be, if that were the case?

[hutmeil]

Im taking note of the current 3 votes as of this writing on Mala though. Is that maf trying to save their mafmate in Peng? Maybe.

ok nice, there's an original unprompted thought

do you have any thoughts on who that could be, if that were the case?

Good question. If I were to guess, Peng, Dragon and SS. I'm giving andante the benefit of the doubt since she's not a lurker d1.

[Save The Dragons]

i didn't vote mala tho

[hutmeil]

i didn't vote mala tho

Ah right sorry about that, I'm on my tab and it's acting up. In that case, Peng, ss and andante for now.

[VP Baltar]

oh mods of the discord server is over now, i did see penguin town there kinda just not really care at all about people finding him as town when it was a very immediately pressing concern.

could just be a personality thing, ig? but it seemed like there at least he was still trying to solve despite that

I wouldn't take this as a reason to let anyone live. He promised responses (yesterday I think?), and delivered nothing.

[VP Baltar]

i didn't vote mala tho

Ah right sorry about that, I'm on my tab and it's acting up. In that case, Peng, ss and andante for now.

I doubt all three mafia are coordinating their votes on a moonshot wagon that is unlikely. There is some just bad town in this mix.

[hutmeil]

i didn't vote mala tho

Ah right sorry about that, I'm on my tab and it's acting up. In that case, Peng, ss and andante for now.

I doubt all three mafia are coordinating their votes on a moonshot wagon that is unlikely. There is some just bad town in this mix.

True. It's just that it's so sudden so I've added some scum points to their slots.

[implosion]

i do think that the

- this person is scummy
- let's wagon them for pressure to see if they do anything towny
- they don't do anything towny
- well maybe they're not scum let's wagon somewhere else

pipeline is wild tho, like what's the point

Yeah this is a weird dynamic.

I'm not like, strongly opposed to the wagon swinging toward Mala in principle; I think there's better odds for my read on Penguin to get stronger over time compared to my read on Mala so there's that. There's also a part of me that just wants this day to be over. The fact that a lot of the absent slots are where I've wanted to pressure is a big long-term motivation sap. I'll try to engage more today

[implosion]

I think Andante saying Penguin is likely town for that reaction is sort of wild. That reaction shows Penguin has somewhat low investment in this game; there could be alignment-relevant reasons for that in principle but like, I don't see why scum-penguin can't post what he did if he just doesn't have much of a foothold in the game.

[VP Baltar]

ok, I ISO'd fire. What i find concerning is that he is among the first people to point out Penguin acting awkwardly, but then never votes there. Like, he does everything in his power to vote elsewhere, especially saying hutmeil is scummy and therefore needs to be voted instead of penguin.

I'd take a full reads list from fire right now.

[VP Baltar]

I also think fire has a lot of poking people with pretty minimal or boring follow up on his pressure, but that could be not AI stuff related to game engagement.

[VP Baltar]

Mala was at 3 when I voted hut. Ari had voted fire. I went from a 2 vote to create an equal counter wagon.

Anyway - I’ll be back in the morning to catch up on what I’ve missed.

Coming back to this with what I wanted to say since you didn't actually follow up: Why did you want to create an equal counter wagon instead of making a wagon on Mala (who you now think is scum I guess???) the lead wagon?