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[fireisredsir]

datisi also spent a lot of time arguing with me (around 1637 and 1793) about how this felt to him like coalition std (when they were scum together) and that seems kinda wild to me that he would do that if they were also scum together here

[fireisredsir]

there's some interactions with both of the slots that feel unpartnery. I already mentioned the one where ss called out datisi for mason fishing. but i think there's more for std

[fireisredsir]

VOTE: something_smart

[fireisredsir]

d1 vulture also feels less partnered with penguin/datisi than s_s does

[Enchant]

Can this mason already claim, because it's blatant fire is VT (or i am critically blind and fire playing me like fiddle), and if we wrongly lim another VT, mafia WILL know who are you... Like instantly?

Literally why the fuck, unless you think one of me/fire is mafia and can miss kill... Wait even then, why you not yelling at us already?

JUST
CLAIM
STOP
HIDING

[fireisredsir]

i thought it basically was claimed already but i guess not officially

[fireisredsir]

SS claimed VT and looker started the day resigned to her death

[Looker]

what's the point of claiming if there's no one to corroborate

[fireisredsir]

presumably either they make sense as mason partners with the currently flipped masons, or they have a crumb system that they can point out, or both

[fireisredsir]

also nobody would cc them because if they did then its a 1v1 and we can just flip both of them and win

[Something_Smart]

I mean if fire and Enchant want to stake the game on the other being town then I won't contradict it, especially if hutmeil agrees.

Doesn't seem like anyone feels like engaging on a meaningful level, so whatever. Scum killed the mason I might have had a chance at convincing.

[fireisredsir]

i am always convincable

who do you think is scum and why

[Something_Smart]

Not me, because I read my role PM?

I'm obviously not gung-ho on any particular person being scum to the point where an argument would at all convince people not to vote me.

What I want to debate is more, what the hell was I doing all game? I was trying to protect the masons at the cost of worsening reads on myself, but if I'm scum that just sounds like a lose-lose. Unless you don't think I actually protected the masons, but you apparently knew the masons when scum were still lost, so there was at least some effort made to mislead them. I think it's entirely possible scum thought Ari was masons with me.

[fireisredsir]

i mean you survived until now so that seems pretty good to me

ari thought you were scum until she got convinced that you were mason and then hard defended you for it which kept you alive longer

you have stated before a lack of faith in your own scumplay abilities and so this playstyle seems like a reasonable approach from that perspective. it protects you from getting eliminated early, it prevents you from having strong associatives bc you didn't really give many opinions throughout the game, and you may be able to guess who is mason or VT based on how they interact with your approach

and yea if you're scum it didn't work well enough, because here we are. but that happens sometimes, i don't think that's a very convincing argument for why you can't be scum

[Looker]

the gamble is whether we win by killing me and enchant

[Enchant]

Aw shit, here we go again

[catboi]

Vote Count 5.03

Looker (1):

Enchant

Something_Smart (1):

fireisredsir

Not Voting (3):

hutmeil, Looker, Something_Smart

With 5 alive, it's 3 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 5 is August 14 at 3:00 PM EST.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-08-14 15:00:00)

[Something_Smart]

you have stated before a lack of faith in your own scumplay abilities and so this playstyle seems like a reasonable approach from that perspective. it protects you from getting eliminated early, it prevents you from having strong associatives bc you didn't really give many opinions throughout the game, and you may be able to guess who is mason or VT based on how they interact with your approach

I don't think it really provides any of these benefits-- most people didn't give a shit about not wagoning possible masons for most of the game. I have things that could associate me with or tie me to both scum members (and I certainly didn't hold back from interacting with Datisi once it was clear he wasn't mason), and my approach really just generates WIFOM wrt how people respond.

Especially starting yesterday. What exactly do you think my plan to win was? Like, I know I'm a passive scum player, but I play to my outs. Why would I spend the entire day promising a reread when I could have been appearing to do something that would either save Datisi or (more likely) make me look unaligned with him?

[fireisredsir]

yea i agree i don't think it's a very good approach. that doesn't make me think you're town tho. the alternative fmpov is looker and i think her approach makes even less sense as scum

and yesterday you were VLA and had 4 posts in the span of a week. i don't understand your argument here

you're saying if you were scum you "could have been appearing to do something" more than you actually did?

[fireisredsir]

hut? thoughts?

[Something_Smart]

you're saying if you were scum you "could have been appearing to do something" more than you actually did?

Basically, yeah. I had plenty of brief opportunities to post, certainly if I wanted to push a simplistic angle (something you already have to accept that if I'm scum I was willing to do this game, because of Andante) I could have at least stated the angle and placed a vote instead of just delaying.

I delayed because I wanted to figure out the masons before doing anything, and that required a semi-close read. If I'm scum I have a vested interest in finding out the masons, yes, but not until night. (Also, knowing I was not a mason, it was trivial to determine who they were after Ari flipped, so my partner could have just done it and told me.)

[hutmeil]

hut? thoughts?

You willing to elim Looker instead? For me it's either SS or Looker.

[hutmeil]

I mean if fire and Enchant want to stake the game on the other being town then I won't contradict it, especially if hutmeil agrees.

For me they're both town.

[hutmeil]

what's the point of claiming if there's no one to corroborate

Are you claiming mason?

[Looker]

I'm questioning the point of claiming before e-1. Seems unnecessary.