Open 861: The Turing Test [game over]

[Loki Dokie]

Apologies.

VOTE: Kutplz

Ultimately I’m incredibly conflicted on Dann, and I don’t want to embarrass myself by misreading him. Made town posts. Made scum posts. I don’t eee much like an agenda, even though his pushes felt agendey he *sort of* kept his way of treating people the same. It’s not great but he seems to have used his yardstick about the same for everyone based on how they played. It’s terrible because it feels less like a read than watching someone play off a policy. But at least he had a policy. Inconsistency isn’t a scum tell, nor is consistency.
I’m not satisfied, but life happens.

I’m just not convinced that this is a post that scum!Bell would make - especially if he wanted towncred for supposedly voting scum!Dann.

[Aristeia]

I actually hate how confident I am that my solution is exactly what Dann did

[Loki Dokie]

He's not saying you're currently doing that.

He's saying you initially started out doing that so if all of the vocal town leaders are leaning one way, it's fine for the entire scum team to go the bus route because they won't actually influence the wagon direction.

Okay then, so how does any of this implicate Bell as bussing Dann, when he’s voting Kuti?

[Aristeia]

He's not saying you're currently doing that.

He's saying you initially started out doing that so if all of the vocal town leaders are leaning one way, it's fine for the entire scum team to go the bus route because they won't actually influence the wagon direction.

Okay then, so how does any of this implicate Bell as bussing Dann, when he’s voting Kuti?

He is saying that Kuti is scum and Dann is town.

[Loki Dokie]

yes that is correct

in the scenario i was talking about, scum made the choice to sit back and watch much earlier, when you were pushing dann

The thing is that Bell voting Kuti had no impact on me decision because I don’t have confidence in Bell’s reads either way, so his vote really wouldn’t influence me.

The current votes that concern me are Vulture and RR because I don’t think both are town and both could be scum here. So if there’s any bussing going on, my money’s there. Or conversely, it could also be wifom to make us vote Kuti. Idk. \_0_/

@Ari, @furtive, sell me on Kuti!town. I think if I can get a confident tr on either one, that would be extremely helpful.

[Loki Dokie]

He's not saying you're currently doing that.

He's saying you initially started out doing that so if all of the vocal town leaders are leaning one way, it's fine for the entire scum team to go the bus route because they won't actually influence the wagon direction.

Okay then, so how does any of this implicate Bell as bussing Dann, when he’s voting Kuti?

He is saying that Kuti is scum and Dann is town.

Then if Bell is scum then, he can only be bussing Kuti, so he doesn’t look great with a Dann scumflip, unless I’m missing something?

[Aristeia]

VOTE: Dannflor


I think I'd regret it if I didn't vote for the solution I have and it turned out to be right.

[Aristeia]

He's not saying you're currently doing that.

He's saying you initially started out doing that so if all of the vocal town leaders are leaning one way, it's fine for the entire scum team to go the bus route because they won't actually influence the wagon direction.

Okay then, so how does any of this implicate Bell as bussing Dann, when he’s voting Kuti?

He is saying that Kuti is scum and Dann is town.

Then if Bell is scum then, he can only be bussing Kuti, so he doesn’t look great with a Dann scumflip, unless I’m missing something?

fire thinks bell is scum and he also thinks bell is bussing kuti

[Aristeia]

@Ari, @furtive, sell me on Kuti!town. I think if I can get a confident tr on either one, that would be extremely helpful.

I think everything I posted about town-kuti is in 1272


I don't think kuti would shade me as "buddying scum" if they were scum; I think the tack they'd be more likely to use would be to try to buddy me since we've played quite a few games together on MU and I'm more of a familiar face to them as compared to the rest of the PL.

[Loki Dokie]

Spoiler:

idk what the optimal way to play it is but i just know that town!you would be thinking about it

wouldn't scum!Ari be thinking about how town!Ari would play and how town!Ari would think about it? I don't think this is a town indicative thing

shhhh im letting her pocket me

i think its slightly town indicative. i don't think that ari's main priority as scum is to match how she'd play as town, and i don't think most people would really would have that reaction or that she would expect them to. so if it was performative it was a very directed performance

Why are you trying to pocket her

I'm new to this site and like to be aware of people's playstyles. Shoot me for that.

Previous game GL provided old games. I read them. Figured out he was towny and sheeped his reads which lead to me helping town win and going 2/2 on vig shots on scum

So yes I do need this for my playstyle

do you have any impressions of any players yet? if not anything pinging you scummy has anything struck you as towny? or not really anything at all yet

Fire feels very natural and fluid so far, nothing towny yet since it's been NAI content.

Waiting for GL to do something AI so I can sheep if he's towny again.

Ari, I have only played turbos and one mash with, hasn't really given anything AI related. Her shit posting doesn't feel awkward.

I honestly can't read people that do gimmicks so I'm already annoyed at that slot.

I do like the pressure you are applying to me.

That's all I got so far.

meh, okay. I'm not going to lie and say I have any more stronger impressions than you do.

I apologize if I came off as somewhat abrasive but you're a newer player (I think?) and I was hoping you might panic a little bit if I laid it on somewhat thick. and I think it's ever so mildly towny that you didn't just start making up reads on people because I put some pressure on you

I think I'm still most scared of Aristeia for handing out free town reads to Kutiplz and GL

I only played three games on ms but one was a hydra so I don't count that one. This is my second solo game on here. It's just a routine I do when I'm trying to get used to players so I apologize that it seems like I'm asking for games as busy work when I really am not.

Wait Ari gave me a townread? Why does that scare you

GL I think I'm ready to sheep you again part2

Oh and I asked Kuti cause I thought they'd like to be asked about their opinion and the read on Greeting could prove useful down the line.

My read so far in greeting/west is like I kinda don't like their attempt at buddying me. We had only played two games and idk if that makes them an expert on my meta since I play low activity in ms.


Besides the buddying, from what I have read so far, I have them as town lean ish vibes

Okay@Ari, I do think that this is pretty townie, so leaning to vote out Dann. I know everything being equal, I would really really hate it more than anything to be fooled by Dann here.

[fireisredsir]

i do think that ari's case for kuti town is good

[Vivax]

i do think that ari's case for kuti town is good

Ari is town but no case for kuti town can be good imho
Unless mech shenanigans

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Dannflor

let's do it. I think even in the worst case world where kuti was maf and we drank the wine, I feel fairly optimistic that the POE is pretty tight and accurate and it will still be an uphill battle for scum

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: I miss you Dats ♡( ◡‿◡ )

[Vivax]

Townies voting Dann, alright then

I'll just sizzle in my own skin

[Aristeia]

Dannflor [5]: Radical Rat, furtiveglance, Vulture, Aristeia, GuiltyLion
kutiplz [3]: Vivax, Bell, fireisredsir

not voting [2]: Roden, Loki Dokie

I think this is right

[Loki Dokie]

Dannflor [5]: Radical Rat, furtiveglance, Vulture, Aristeia, GuiltyLion
kutiplz [3]: Vivax, Bell, fireisredsir

not voting [2]: Roden, Loki Dokie

I think this is right

I still think I’m right about Bell, so my vote won’t be based on that.

So, let me know if you want me to hammer Dann?

I’ll check back later.

[Roden]

Wait, what am I responding to?

Well, so far it seems like GL and Loki are leaning towards Dannflor, and Fire/Vivax/RR are leaning towards kuti plz.

Anyway, follow up to this is I'd know who I'd rather vote with, regardless of who we're actually voting.

This actually does concern me as well. Unfortunately, I have concerns on both sides, and those concerns aren't likely to be alleviated until I get to see how Dann and kuti flip.

What are your concerns and who with?

Vivax is the obvious one. It worries me greatly that my top scumread from D1 has arrived at the same conclusion, but with so many scum it seems a bit farfetched that BOTH leading wagons were on scum. Plus if kuti IS scum it actually makes Vivax look significantly better.

And then I also have a growing paranoia that GL could be deepwolfing here, but that isn't really substantiated by anything yet. I just find it very strange that no one has really expressed suspicion on him. Like, you'd think at least one or two scum would be trying to sow doubt on a true obvtown. And then if Dannflor flips green.... Not a great look.


But without flips I can't really draw proper conclusions here. Kitty's flip is... Spectacularly uninformative, which is why there may have been merit to scum sacrificing him. This pair is going to be much juicier though

There've been a few slots that haven't had much suspicion on them, not just GL. Why him in particular?

[GuiltyLion]

So, let me know if you want me to hammer Dann?

wait until Datisi is about to go to bed

[Roden]

VOTE: kutiplz

[Loki Dokie]

So, let me know if you want me to hammer Dann?

wait until Datisi is about to go to bed

Which is according to eastern time?

[GuiltyLion]

on D1 it was 6:22 PM EST, so probably around then

[Bell]

Ftr, regardless of whether I’m wrong or right I’m still town.

[Bell]

I haven’t rolled scum in ages(Tyvm rng)

[fireisredsir]

VOTE: kutiplz

do you have any thoughts on anything that's been discussed lately?