Open 861: The Turing Test [game over]

[Radical Rat]

Wait, what am I responding to?

Well, so far it seems like GL and Loki are leaning towards Dannflor, and Fire/Vivax/RR are leaning towards kuti plz.

Anyway, follow up to this is I'd know who I'd rather vote with, regardless of who we're actually voting.

This actually does concern me as well. Unfortunately, I have concerns on both sides, and those concerns aren't likely to be alleviated until I get to see how Dann and kuti flip.

What are your concerns and who with?

Vivax is the obvious one. It worries me greatly that my top scumread from D1 has arrived at the same conclusion, but with so many scum it seems a bit farfetched that BOTH leading wagons were on scum. Plus if kuti IS scum it actually makes Vivax look significantly better.

And then I also have a growing paranoia that GL could be deepwolfing here, but that isn't really substantiated by anything yet. I just find it very strange that no one has really expressed suspicion on him. Like, you'd think at least one or two scum would be trying to sow doubt on a true obvtown. And then if Dannflor flips green.... Not a great look.


But without flips I can't really draw proper conclusions here. Kitty's flip is... Spectacularly uninformative, which is why there may have been merit to scum sacrificing him. This pair is going to be much juicier though

There've been a few slots that haven't had much suspicion on them, not just GL. Why him in particular?

To finally answer this, do you have an example? Because GL's the only one I've noticed getting townread by basically everyone with no contest. Except for myself I guess, but even then I DO actually townread him, it's just a gnawing paranoia

[fireisredsir]

i don't think ive ever said i townread GL

[Loki Dokie]

I agree, it has to be Bell here, and your defense of him is probably exactly why.

I didn't personally find anything particularly scummy about Bell, but I do think furtive was pretty Townie, and I believe someone said before that inactivity was scum indicative for Bell? And indeed he hasn't been super active.

Yeah but that obviously mean I’m wrong on someone, I guess probably you then, since Vulture wanted to rush Dann vote. Roden obvtown read Dann but voted him after GL put him to e-1, why? If you’re that super confident on Dann!town, why would you wait so long to vote?

So Kitty, Kuti, Vulture, Roden and Bell?

That’s my current solve.

[Loki Dokie]

i don't think ive ever said i townread GL

Why don’t you?

[Vulture]

Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.

[fireisredsir]

i don't think ive ever said i townread GL

Why don’t you?

maybe i do

but ive never said that i do

do i?

who knows

[fireisredsir]

i don't really think its vulture but idk i don't think im great at reading them

[Vulture]

i don't really think its vulture but idk i don't think im great at reading them

No one is anymore it’s okay.

I’m being limp this game too.

[Loki Dokie]

Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.

Umm hello, you rushed Dann who flipped town.

[Vulture]

Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.

Umm hello, you rushed Dann who flipped town.

Yes, I suggested a plan in which we bumrush Dannflor through.

Where does that get me if I’m mafia?

[Loki Dokie]

Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.

Umm hello, you rushed Dann who flipped town.

Yes, I suggested a plan in which we bumrush Dannflor through.

Where does that get me if I’m mafia?

A point.

[Vulture]

Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.

Umm hello, you rushed Dann who flipped town.

Yes, I suggested a plan in which we bumrush Dannflor through.

Where does that get me if I’m mafia?

A point.

And how does my team win in the long run from this?

Furthermore, what rhetoric did I present that was compelling enough to make people follow through on killing Dann.

[Loki Dokie]

I’m pretty much set on voting Bell. I just can’t see furtive being scum here.

[Vulture]

Why is furtive town in your opinion.

[Vivax]

Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.

I feel limp too, I'm looking for a strong emotion to work off.
Currently presuming that Bell is 4woof and Loki Zander, but could be a false trail

Don't see much reason to deviate from my solve atp

[Loki Dokie]

Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.

Umm hello, you rushed Dann who flipped town.

Yes, I suggested a plan in which we bumrush Dannflor through.

Where does that get me if I’m mafia?

A point.

And how does my team win in the long run from this?

Furthermore, what rhetoric did I present that was compelling enough to make people follow through on killing Dann.

Why would town advocate rushing the vote?

[Vulture]

Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.

I feel limp too, I'm looking for a strong emotion to work off.
Currently presuming that Bell is 4woof and Loki Zander, but could be a false trail

Don't see much reason to deviate from my solve atp

Vivaciously vexingly virulent.

[Loki Dokie]

Why is furtive town in your opinion.

His ISO

[Vulture]

Rushing a partner through in a game where I would have to inevitably also be seen as town later would shortsighted and borderline throwing.

Can someone verbalize the reasons why furtive is town if it is being agreed upon. I look at both of the people’s isos and get equally limp feelings atp.

Umm hello, you rushed Dann who flipped town.

Yes, I suggested a plan in which we bumrush Dannflor through.

Where does that get me if I’m mafia?

A point.

And how does my team win in the long run from this?

Furthermore, what rhetoric did I present that was compelling enough to make people follow through on killing Dann.

Why would town advocate rushing the vote?

I explained at the time that not allowing potential mafia to build up credit via bus could be worthwhile. I later was reticent to do anything of this sort and said as much.

What is my team’s game plan if I advocate to rush the vote. How do we win.

[Vulture]

Why is furtive town in your opinion.

His ISO

If you’re going to be unhelpful I will too and let you draw your wrong assumptions all the way to a town loss.

[Loki Dokie]

Why is furtive town in your opinion.

His ISO

If you’re going to be unhelpful I will too and let you draw your wrong assumptions all the way to a town loss.

You were voting Dann, you’re not exactly in any position to criticize my reads here.

[Vulture]

Why is furtive town in your opinion.

His ISO

If you’re going to be unhelpful I will too and let you draw your wrong assumptions all the way to a town loss.

You were voting Dann, you’re not exactly in any position to criticize my reads here.

You’re refusing to elaborate for no reason.

[Vulture]

Like literally being evasive to the question I have asked for what I can tell is no reason as town.

[Vulture]

Questions even, but the furtive one is more pressing.

[Loki Dokie]

I think furtive’s ISO looks pretty damned townie. You want me to pull up quotes?