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Post Post #600 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:36 am

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Post Post #601 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 2:28 am

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Vote Count 2.05

Well, the night, it rise above you, rise above me
And the blues, they swirl around me

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Gamma Emerald, Malakittens, Roden
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With 8 alive, it's 5 to eliminate.



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Post Post #602 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:06 am

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In post 599, Not Known 15 wrote:VOTE: Malakittens
I got a very bad feeling about limming Elements atm.
why the sudden change of heart?
UNVOTE:
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #603 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:24 am

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In post 602, Elements wrote:
In post 599, Not Known 15 wrote:VOTE: Malakittens
I got a very bad feeling about limming Elements atm.
why the sudden change of heart?
UNVOTE:
While I'm also curious same can be said to you here

Why the unvote?
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Post Post #604 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:00 am

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I don't want someone to come in and hammer before there's been a chance to explain
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #605 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:07 am

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?? I am confused. What chance needed to explain was not already here?
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Post Post #606 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:11 am

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15 has been heavily pushing for my elim and now decides there's something wrong with it. I want to know why
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Post Post #607 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:24 am

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In post 580, Roden wrote:I feel like I'm falling off a bit this game, sorry

I don't want to vote Elements because of their D1 play and interactions with other players, I just don't get the vibe that they're the CL. However I don't really have a compelling case besides my vibe read. Meanwhile NK15's case seems genuine, it clashes with my read but I think I could just be wrong on Elements. NK15 is town by meta, so I'm willing to follow him here since I do feel like Mala's been townier today anyway.

VOTE: Elements
In post 583, Elements wrote:I think Fred is CL and has recruited either Rodan or 15
In post 586, Malakittens wrote:Kill
Elly yet??
In post 603, MegAzumarill wrote:
In post 602, Elements wrote:
In post 599, Not Known 15 wrote:VOTE: Malakittens
I got a very bad feeling about limming Elements atm.
why the sudden change of heart?
UNVOTE:
While I'm also curious same can be said to you here

Why the unvote?
In post 565, MegAzumarill wrote:
In post 562, Not Known 15 wrote:Hmmmmmmmmm votecounts.
In post 312, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 310, Elements wrote:
In post 309, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: frederick e campbell
ok this is actually scum
mala vote is cheap, sus on me is cheap too
Makes me think math could be CL
Yeah honestly I can see it from how Math has went about me and how he brought up Gamma, and the town read, plus indirectly trying to get players to vote for me.

Yeah that could actually be CL and Gamma is trying to save it.
Yeah I hope this flips CL so I can just bury Gamma tomorrow.

VOTE: MathBlade
Was this planned? Is this SvS? Let me think about this a bit.
I would highly doubt it
Maths refutation of my case gives me doubt.
What Meg said gives me doubt about Drap/Elements.
And Roden, with that reaction, could be easily the convert to Malakittens.
My townread Campbell is voting Mala over Elements.
The reaction "VT" could come from resigned CL, but Elements doesn't look resigned.
I've got a bad feeling I should change course, which I usually have before town gets limmed with my help.
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Post Post #608 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:11 am

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What specifically gives you doubt?
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Post Post #609 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:15 am

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In post 608, MathBlade wrote:What specifically gives you doubt?
All of these together.
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Post Post #610 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:17 am

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In post 609, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 608, MathBlade wrote:What specifically gives you doubt?
All of these together.
My refutation of your case gives you doubt? Why? What about it?
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Post Post #611 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:33 am

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In post 610, MathBlade wrote:
In post 609, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 608, MathBlade wrote:What specifically gives you doubt?
All of these together.
My refutation of your case gives you doubt? Why? What about it?

That answer about tunneling and why you still CL read Roden. It's believable, at least.
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Post Post #612 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:49 am

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I already gave my reasoning earlier for why I thought Mala was the CL. I don't think it ever really got refuted, instead her posts just got a bit better and I started doubting my read over the gap in time of the site going down for a few days.

NK15, if you're getting paranoid now then could you look back at my case on Mala? If you don't have any issues with it then I'm fine with trusting my gut and going back there. But don't drop your suspicion on Elements just because of paranoia.
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Post Post #613 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:03 am

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That case is fine, and part of why mala is in my poe.
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Post Post #614 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:15 am

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In post 601, catboi wrote:
Vote Count 2.05

Well, the night, it rise above you, rise above me
And the blues, they swirl around me

Malakittens (4):
MegAzumarill, Fredrick A Campbell, Elements, Not Known 15
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Gamma Emerald, Malakittens, Roden
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Elements was at e-1 I forget the fourth.

I find it more likely the cult was gathered on elements especially if Elements is town.
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Post Post #615 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:16 am

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Oh wait probably Nk-15

This looks like claim shopping lemme double check.
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Post Post #616 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:03 pm

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something something blood for the blood god
don't really have much to say
probably will hammer elemwnts if they are put back at e-1 given no active discussion at the time
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Post Post #617 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 2:41 pm

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I wanna see where math goes with this
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Post Post #618 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:28 pm

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In post 580, Roden wrote:I feel like I'm falling off a bit this game, sorry

I don't want to vote Elements because of their D1 play and interactions with other players, I just don't get the vibe that they're the CL. However I don't really have a compelling case besides my vibe read. Meanwhile NK15's case seems genuine, it clashes with my read but I think I could just be wrong on Elements. NK15 is town by meta, so I'm willing to follow him here since I do feel like Mala's been townier today anyway.

VOTE: Elements
E - 1 at this point is Gamma Mala Roden NK15 (no particular order)

Meg intents to hammer

Elements claims VT.

Then NK15 gets a bad feeling.

This bad feeling is either A) genuine and NK15 doesn’t like the wagon composition
Or
B) NK15 is not being genuine which means they don’t want the elim to go through.

This is either B1) Elements and NK15 are on the same team
B2) NK15 is scum and Elements is town.

The NK15 town case pretty straightforward unlikely to me because why the bad feeling over a VT claim? That doesn’t make sense to me. It’s what everyone expects a CL to claim. NK’s argument I was convincing feels buddying when they didn’t say why in depth despite numerous prods.

This to me leaves the option B) NK15 is scum more likely to me.

The question becomes why.

If NK15 and elements were paired then I think we would have seen more effort or collaboration here.

This leads me to B2) being the most likely.

It’s for this reason I don’t want Malakittens and think the wagon is mostly scum on elements and where we as a group would look if Elements flipped town.

I think that the Mala wagon is town on town crime.

I know this is a bit self confirming my prior theory NK15 and Roden but I really think they’re both scum.
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Post Post #619 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:31 pm

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That being said I think forcing another claim out of Mala is absolutely the wrong way to go here. We have a claim

We need to decide as a group if we believe elements or not before just running up someone else to keep the PR hidden (unless your friendly PR lied) but probably a good idea to sort out elements before going forward.

If and only if we think elements is town should we run up someone else.
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Post Post #620 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:27 pm

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Why don't you want mala to be limmed, Math?
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Post Post #621 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:34 pm

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I am not sure Elements is town. I agree with MathBlade that we should find Elements guilty if we are not sure whether Elements is town.
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Post Post #622 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:37 pm

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In post 620, Not Known 15 wrote:Why don't you want mala to be limmed, Math?
Pretty sure I literally just explained that.
I think we should sort elements first.

If we think Elements is town then move on.

But unless we are not 100% sure then elim elements is the right call to avoid the slippery slope of mass claim early.
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Post Post #623 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:38 pm

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To be clear I think Elements is town but I am not like OMG scream it sure.
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Post Post #624 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:39 pm

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I read through post 618 as well, by the way. And managed to follow all the points. And do not believe there are any issues with the argument. I don't have an opinion on which of the premises are true, however.
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