Open 880 - Normal Idea Mafia - Postgame

[Flavor Leaf]

im not interested in blocking python for what its worth. i think they have a go around

[Flavor Leaf]

if STD is scum, theyre caught with the play, especially if you doc bianco. and if theyre town and framed we geta. no kill

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm way more confident std is scum than either you or python and it's weirding me out that neither of you agree. whichever one of you is town should realize that the correct play here is to lim std

pedit: oh yeah wait

i dont agree because scumSTD is stopped by me generally anyways. You're just paranoid in case I am scum that it isn't, but from my pov thats not the case.

I do see ScumSTD possibility, and thats why I wanna block him tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

im also giving a small chance of getting STD confirmed town in the case he isn't scum.

Yes, there's frame potential, but we have day play and other slots that makes it not that black and white.

Python's pushing an obvious af anti town agenda.

[Flavor Leaf]

like I'm totally cool if scum try to do a No Kill frame gambit. we get another day to talk stuff out, and it sets Drew up to have another Gunsmith action, and Snivy with another possible Loyal Check.

Especially because I dont trust that Python isn't SK able to go through a block, i'm not going to risk them getting block cleared and sweeping game from it, just not something im willing to do.

[Flavor Leaf]

like if STD is limmed, I'm not blocking Python. Dont know who yet, but it wont be them.

[Flavor Leaf]

like especially if STD is scum too, i'll just get a clear elsewhere if thats the case.

I think Python Fade into Block STD is best course of action. If STD is scum, this is like always a good move anyways.

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Especially because I dont trust that Python isn't SK able to go through a block, i'm not going to risk them getting block cleared and sweeping game from it, just not something im willing to do.

Strongwilled isn't Normal

but Ascetic SK and Strongarm is

look at this fucking shit, Infinity. This is absolute garbage scum agenda.

[Flavor Leaf]

they've been one of the people most aware of the roles in this game, and they say dumb ignorant stuff like that

it's cap.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not moving off of Python today.

[Flavor Leaf]

im done with them.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not moving off of Python today.

The agenda in this post is obvious given that Infinity's just said they think STD is always mafia here

he just said theyre 80%

[Flavor Leaf]

How about this: We execute Python Today. If they flip green, and Leaf is not cleared by Snivy for any reason, we execute Leaf Tomorrow.

What do you think, Pyhton?

i think im confident enough in Python SK right now to take this. Worst case scenario, they flip town, and we still get my roleblock to go off of tomorrow. there's also the possibility the SK just shoots the Mafia too.

[Flavor Leaf]

the case is literally there's a guilty on him and drew happened to gunsmith exactly the backup cop is incredibly unlikely

There's more than one "shitty role" that does basically nothing and also gives gunsmith guilties

I can go look but I'm not sure whether or not this is relevant. like those other shitty roles aren't possibilities because std didn't claim them right?

maybe this is a weird monty hall thing and std is like 80% scum instead of like 95%

I'm not moving off of Python today.

The agenda in this post is obvious given that Infinity's just said they think STD is always mafia here

he just said theyre 80%

Google hyperbole

ignorant

[Flavor Leaf]

town doesnt defend STD like this here

[Flavor Leaf]

town doesnt defend STD like this here

We do when all signs point to you as mafia and the only case on STD is a gunsmith result that can be confounded

'all signs'

youre gonna look so dumb if youre town post game

[Flavor Leaf]

Snivy and I were pushing at STD before the guilty, and if anything, the guilty/claim made me lean back a little from it.

[Flavor Leaf]

you're like clearly trying to stop a roleblock from happening. like if you're town, you can just get me faded like tomorrow.

Snivy is actively already Loyal Checking me, I have a roleblock target.

Youre just insanely unaware of gamestate if town or the more likely, youre scum pushing an agenda.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like if I am not cleared tomorrow, and there's incredibly muddied water, fade me Day 4, BlueSnake said it best.

Otherwise, I'm getting cleared by Snivy with the Doc on Bianco, Babysitter on Snivy, Snivy on Me, Flavor on STD.

[Flavor Leaf]

Python is doing everything they can to not let Snivy clear me

[Flavor Leaf]

I am one of the few remaining misfades in this game, and if I'm not faded today, scum likely just lose that possibility.

If Python SK, STD Mafia, if Python is BP, he really doesnt fear STD, and wants him to be alive.

Python fade, block on STD Mafia makes us go to tomorrow likely without any night kills.

Do we think it's possible that both STD and Python are both town here? I think thats absolutely no chance.

So no matter what, by roleblocking STD tonight and fading Python, we likely only have 1 night kill max in the night, possibly zero if we're right on the money, or if someone wants to frame STD.

If someone wants to NOT KILL to frame STD, let them. he's a claimed backup cop with no cop in the game, that's totally fine.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, an STD Mafia flip absolutely ruins Python's everything against me.

I bet if STD flipped Mafia, theyd start pushing me as SK even, which I think is a better case if they would do so, personally.

but yeah, that's probably another reason Python doesnt want STD to go through.

[Flavor Leaf]

Doctor Drew
biancospino
Infinity 324

if STD is faded, I have to block in these 3. There's no other options. Invisibility is conf town, Snivy needs to Loyal Check, and Blue Snake is a Friendly Neighbor confirmed.

I do not trust a block on Python after this, and I will not block them and give them clear potential this game as scum/SK.

I dont really want to block any of those 3, tbh.

So fade Python, Block STD is always the best play here.

[Flavor Leaf]

the case is literally there's a guilty on him and drew happened to gunsmith exactly the backup cop is incredibly unlikely

There's more than one "shitty role" that does basically nothing and also gives gunsmith guilties

I can go look but I'm not sure whether or not this is relevant. like those other shitty roles aren't possibilities because std didn't claim them right?

maybe this is a weird monty hall thing and std is like 80% scum instead of like 95%

To put an extreme example, if there were 99 gunsmith guilty town roles and 1 gunsmith inno town role then a gunsmith guilty would be basically meaningless. The more roles STD could have claimed that explain the play the less likely we are to be in a "STD is scum because the only town!STD world requires incredibly low probability things to have occurred" world

yep this is right but 4 (?) town roles that he could've claimed is not a lot

gambler's fallacy, and it does line up with the 'shitty role' he was talking about.

if he's scum, i just block him and he gets faded tomorrow after I'm cleared.

We dont have to go NOW NOW NOW. It's okay to hold.

[Flavor Leaf]

sigh I guess

flavor can you take a step back and let the conftowns read and give their thoughts

you mean my best bud Snivy, and the slot I was sheeping from like my first post in this game Blue. And then my other buddies Invisibility and Doctor Drew?

Sure. That's my posse.

But one condition: Python has to too, or I will have to come in and counter.

[Flavor Leaf]

@snakelet the only thing that makes me nervous about your plan is if bianco and std are the last scum, bianco can shoot snivy and we lose i think

STD gets blocked, though.

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@snakelet the only thing that makes me nervous about your plan is if bianco and std are the last scum, bianco can shoot snivy and we lose i think

i can block bianco and you protect Snivy, but that lets STD kill, but at the expense of clearing Bianco.

[Flavor Leaf]

the problem is that only 1 kill doesn't clear anyone if a scum just no kills

thats a frame, that's still analyzable, and thats if Python isnt scum.

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they can also target the same person, and we wouldn't know.

but it can CLEAR someone if there are 2 kills if both scum live, and a kill if Python flips scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Python’s town, I could see it as Bianco/STD.

That was my solve before Python started playing poorly

[Flavor Leaf]

I think i might be okay going STD after accepting Python could just be bad town here.

I won’t be claiming who I’m roleblocking in that scenario.

[Flavor Leaf]

We should know Invisibility’s for actions sake, but I’m not like really caring if they do or not.

Okay, awesome.

Blue, can you role block Python tonight?

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: STD

I suspect STD is probs Mafia, anyways, so if they flip Mafia SK is in Python or Bianco.

[Flavor Leaf]

And personally, I’d like to see Python wiggle if STD flips Mafia and try to angle me as SK.

[Flavor Leaf]

Remember, as Python has been saying, we can’t fully trust block clears because of possibility of SK power to go through, so don’t clear them if so.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait.

I’m cleared.

I got targeted by BlueSnake last night, which means I’m roleblocked and 2 kills went through.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pseudo cleared anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'd say you're mostly cleared of being SK. Monkey probably did the Night Kill for the Mafia (no Multitasking by default).

Perfect.

Down to kill STD for sure after this news.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can see scum thinking this type of setup is totally unbalanced, but like if you’re scum in this type of situation, you gotta stop town from finding each other and cause doubt in their claims in this type of game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m okay with it being Bianco/STD solve.

Look, ended up back at my initial solve so fluidly.

That’s generally a good sign imo, just like what happened with Uno.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Python is scum here, they did play well coming after me, fwiw.

I do think it was necessary.

[Flavor Leaf]

When I roll scum against Python, and win, this’ll be posted

viewtopic.php?p=12493041#p12493041

[Flavor Leaf]

If you're reading us as either bad town or SK that can get around a roleblock then there's literally no point in RBing us if even a double kill doesn't clear us. Go tighten the POE by RBing Drew since any role scum!Drew can have that would let him get a gunsmith guilty also can't deal with getting roleblocked

lol

we get you

[Flavor Leaf]

earlier you said you were fine with it, what changed?

[Flavor Leaf]

I annoyingly kinda believe STD.

[Flavor Leaf]

@STD - would you be willing to get roleblocked and vote Python with me?

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@Infinity - earlier you said the reason you didn’t want Python/Blue deal was in case of STD/Bianco.

Well, with the new information, we can take that deal and roleblock two people, so Infinity protects Snivy, Blue Blocks Bianco, I block STD.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Python

I think they outed themselves when they tried acting like I would make kill, and realized that actually helps confirm me as town.

This play is way better because now Snivy gets to free check me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sure, I’ll roleblock myself

[Flavor Leaf]

I think that’s not a bad idea, though.

Snivy checks me, Bianco on Snivy, Infininty on Bianco, and Blue on Me.

That means if they try to No kill frame, then Snivy always gets a check on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

If we're doing a lim on us we want a roleblock on FL

This is non-negotiable, without it FL roleblocks Infinity and lets SK shoot Snivy and we're stuck in an FL/Infinity 1v1 tomorrow

I’m good with this.

[Flavor Leaf]

I either get semi cleared against because of roleblock, or cleared because of Snivy in that situation.

I’m down to roll the dice with that for sure

[Flavor Leaf]

If we're doing a lim on us we want a roleblock on FL

is this just that you don't trust people to lim him if he's not cleared?

If Python is town, I think we automatically lose in every single situation besides the one announced, because I am also town, and they gonna look dumb post game

[Flavor Leaf]

If we're doing a lim on us we want a roleblock on FL

is this just that you don't trust people to lim him if he's not cleared?

Infinity, they’re trying their damned hardest to set the situation up where I don’t get cleared.

Fade them

[Flavor Leaf]

I am never the last Mafia alive on Day fucking 3 and still in this good of a mood overall and playful.

Like, idc what people think, this is a damn good reason. :lol;

[Flavor Leaf]

@Infinity - viewtopic.php?p=12493032#p12493032

viewtopic.php?p=12493025#p12493025

Look at these posts you made in Names on the List about scum Me.

This is not me as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have been constantly reevaluating, both yesterday and today.

I am not too towny to be town. My scum game is concise and predicated af, and it shows with the Pokémon Theme game I just finished that we had 5 misfades in a row, and would have won a perfect game right there had it not been for a single unclaimed BP role.

But the backup plan was get a specific slot misfaded at the expense of losing a couple of us, which happened. The slot was super tied to me.

I also actively made sure I was the first one to die if any of me or my team were to die

@STD - you were scum in Pokémon with me, this is not my scum game.

[Flavor Leaf]

both of you are too eager to go along with plans that screw scum!you that's why i want to lim std

Y'all gonna misfade me, and you know what, I take zero blame on it at this point.

VOTE: STD

end this damn day.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I'm not cleared, my misfade is 80% on Python, 20% on infinity.


Python could be scum or SK, so it might not matter.

I've given what I could. Can't say I didn't try to work with you Infinity.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm over this.

I just need to know.

Move forward.

[Flavor Leaf]

there's 2 conf towns, Blue and Invisible.

and all the rest are my besties in Drew and Snivy that I'm obviously not pocketing here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Blue already seems to trust me, which I feel makes sense.

Python is the odd one out here. I am not screwing anyone over here except the possibility of maybe town Python, but they're playing poorly here anyways if town

[Flavor Leaf]

we can hold out, im just sick of it, so hear complaining.

[Flavor Leaf]

also, if we dont do the python fade, dont let python convince you to auto fade me tomorrow if somehow a check doesnt go through. thats not the deal.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm happy to think I'm just right with Bianco/STD.

Holding back my ewww factor on Python's play here, it makes a lot of sense they're just coming from town who cant get out of that tunnel, and really just wants to catch me as scum.


So I'll roleblock Bianco, Infinity doctors Camel. Blue roleblocks Python.

Any shenanigans tomorrow, we probably just fade Bianco.

If I'm not cleared by then Doctor Drew can gunsmith me Night 4 and cause either a Night Kill on himself or a clear on me, and we can still have Blue roleblock Python.

[Flavor Leaf]

So I'll roleblock Bianco, Infinity doctors Camel. Blue roleblocks Python.

Any shenanigans tomorrow, we probably just fade Bianco.

If I'm not cleared by then Doctor Drew can gunsmith me Night 4 and cause either a Night Kill on himself or a clear on me, and we can still have Blue roleblock Python.

Blue already kinda agreed since they said theyd role block Python tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

hammer it Blue.

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VOTE: std ok yeah. don't see why we'd lim bianco over me or flavor if shenanigans but we'll get there when we get there

cuz im town and i think you're town.

Tomorrow is Bianco or Python.

Infinity, you have to put extra work into trying to see I'm town. I have given as much as I can.

[Flavor Leaf]

like i seriously mean specifically extra work.

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if STD flips Mafia, I'm confirmed town.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Infinity - Snivy, Blue, Drew, and even Bianco and I've been pushing them, trust me here. I'm not fucking all these people over. Figure it out, please.

[Flavor Leaf]

So I'll roleblock Bianco, Infinity doctors Camel. Blue roleblocks Python.

If STD flips red we're ok with this, if STD is town we want a Blue roleblock on Flavor

@Blue - Stick with the plan. Python is trying to avoid a role block.

[Flavor Leaf]

theyve been trying all day phase to create a situation where they wouldnt be roleblocked.

Please roleblock them.

[Flavor Leaf]

i got a little out of hand this day phase, i apologize. Python got me bent lol in a fun way though. it was a fun back and forth python.

this is a good game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I blocked Bianco, so that explains missing second kill.

I think Python’s prob just SK Strongman/Ascetic tbh.

Their play yesterday was just not too great.

And yeah, I’m glad my gut town read on STD turned out alright.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think fade Python, Blue blocks Infinity.

Snivy checks Drew. Drew checks Snivy or Infinity.

I think we just close this out.

[Flavor Leaf]

Personally, I think it’s Python or Infinity here over Drew.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I don’t really see Snivy as one who’s pulling one over on us right now.

DragonEater, probably should claim?

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like it’s just Python SK who legit thought I was Mafia, so they killed Bianco so I couldn’t say Bianco was Mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh. If Dragon made the kill on Bianco, then Python is conf scum bar Infinity No Killing.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dragon, what’s your full role?

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh okay nvm I just realized that Python was roleblocked which maybe explains why SK didn't kill. Because I don't think SK ever kills Bianco here.

Yeah, if you did it, it’s just Python.

[Flavor Leaf]

snivy could technically be scum, maybe we're supposed to no elim to give flavor a chance to block him but i don't feel like it

Like I don't know if town actually says this here.

Snivy could technically be scum.

We have a lot, so we can cover the bases tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Python

Drew check Snivy.

Snivy check Drew.

Blue block Infinity.

Probs end game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Infinity could still be SK strongman who shot Bianco hoping a Babysit went through on Snivy considering Infinity said they were going to doc Snivy.

But it’s weird considering I was gonna block Bianco.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Dragon - claim everything. Full claim. And all actions

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Python

Just wanna do some thinking and speculation

[Flavor Leaf]

We're not SK but the POE is tight enough that a mislim on us doesn't matter at this point

Blue should rb Drew though since that's a rb that cant be bypassed in an SK!Drew game

how did Drew know STD had a gun, though?

[Flavor Leaf]

heipizhu4, Town Security Guard, executed Day 1
Skygazer, Town Shield, killed Night 1
UNOwen, Mafia Universal Backup, executed Day 2
humaneatingmonkey, Mafia Goon, killed Night 2
Aureal, Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Lazy Multitasking Checker Shield, killed Night 2
Save The Dragons, Town Backup Cop, executed Day 3
biancospino, Mafia Universal Backup (formerly Universal Backup), killed Night 3


Night 1, there's a missing Night Kill. Skygazer also could have stolen the kill shot.

Night 2, there's 2 kills + a failed vig claim on Snivy.

Night 3, there a claimed Vig Kill + No other kills.

[Flavor Leaf]

Is there an actual claims list somewhere cause I keep forgetting everyone's claims.

Specifically what did Infinity claim?

didnt.

[Flavor Leaf]

Doctor Drew - Even Night Gunsmith, N2 Targeted STD and got 'has a gun'
Flavor Leaf - Odd-Night Roleblocker, blocked Snivy Night 1 (confirmed with No Result on Uno), Bianco Night 3 (stopped kill presumably)
DragonEater70 - Combined Vigilante Loyal Bodyguard, n1 no action, n2 shot Snivy - failed, n3 shot Bianco - died
Skygazer - Shield, possibly stole a N1 kill
usesPython - BP
camelCasedSnivy - Loyal Checker
BlueSnakelet - Combined Friendly Neighbor Roleblocker, n1 targeted Aureal, n2 targeted FL, n2 targeted Python -presumably
Aureal - 1-Shot Bulletproof Lazy Multitasking Checker Shield, presumed targeted killer on n2, blocked on n1
Infinity - 2 shot doc? but then they claimed they had another doc shot to target Snivy with. n1 Snivy, n2 python, n3 Snivy, so explanation on this necessary.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think the play is to have Snivy and Drew cross target tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dragon shoots Infinity.

[Flavor Leaf]

so I targeted Snivy Night 1, and Dragon failed to kill Snivy Night 2.

[Flavor Leaf]

Serial Killer Rolecop 3-Shot Commuter
Odd Night Commuter Even Night Multitasking (Friendly Neighbor)-Finder Serial Killer [M]
Even-Night Compulsive Babysitter Odd-Night Jailkeeper Serial Killer [M]
3-Shot Strongman Rolecop Serial Killer [M]
Serial Killer Combined Babysitter Bodyguard
Multitasking Serial Killer Jack-of-all-Trades (with Role Cop, Rolestopper, and Traffic Analyst shots)
Bulletproof Bulletproof-Enabler Bulletproof-Finder Serial Killer [M]
Serial Killer Fruit Vendor
Bulletproof Serial Killer
Multitasking Serial Killer Three-shot Activated Bulletproof
Ascetic Serial Killer
Multitasking Serial Killer Doctor Rolecop Roleblocker

[Flavor Leaf]

Serial Killer Rolecop 3-Shot Commuter

Snivy has this as a possibility.

[Flavor Leaf]

Serial Killer Rolecop 3-Shot Commuter
Odd Night Commuter Even Night Multitasking (Friendly Neighbor)-Finder Serial Killer [M]
Even-Night Compulsive Babysitter Odd-Night Jailkeeper Serial Killer [M]
3-Shot Strongman Rolecop Serial Killer [M]
Serial Killer Combined Babysitter Bodyguard
Multitasking Serial Killer Jack-of-all-Trades (with Role Cop, Rolestopper, and Traffic Analyst shots)
Bulletproof Bulletproof-Enabler Bulletproof-Finder Serial Killer [M]
Serial Killer Fruit Vendor
Bulletproof Serial Killer
Multitasking Serial Killer Three-shot Activated Bulletproof
Ascetic Serial Killer
Multitasking Serial Killer Doctor Rolecop Roleblocker

Doctor Drew - Even Night Gunsmith, N2 Targeted STD and got 'has a gun'
Flavor Leaf - Odd-Night Roleblocker, blocked Snivy Night 1 (confirmed with No Result on Uno), Bianco Night 3 (stopped kill presumably)
DragonEater70 - Combined Vigilante Loyal Bodyguard, n1 no action, n2 shot Snivy - failed, n3 shot Bianco - died
Skygazer - Shield, possibly stole a N1 kill
usesPython - BP
camelCasedSnivy - Loyal Checker
BlueSnakelet - Combined Friendly Neighbor Roleblocker, n1 targeted Aureal, n2 targeted FL, n2 targeted Python -presumably
Aureal - 1-Shot Bulletproof Lazy Multitasking Checker Shield, presumed targeted killer on n2, blocked on n1
Infinity - 2 shot doc? but then they claimed they had another doc shot to target Snivy with. n1 Snivy, n2 python, n3 Snivy, so explanation on this necessary.

heipizhu4, Town Security Guard, executed Day 1
Skygazer, Town Shield, killed Night 1
UNOwen, Mafia Universal Backup, executed Day 2
humaneatingmonkey, Mafia Goon, killed Night 2
Aureal, Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Lazy Multitasking Checker Shield, killed Night 2
Save The Dragons, Town Backup Cop, executed Day 3
biancospino, Mafia Universal Backup (formerly Universal Backup), killed Night 3


Night 1, there's a missing Night Kill. Skygazer also could have stolen the kill shot.

Night 2, there's 2 kills + a failed vig claim on Snivy.

Night 3, there a claimed Vig Kill + No other kills.

[Flavor Leaf]

I actually think it's Snivy here...

I blocked them Night 1, and their claim came after it came out I blocked them.

And during my Crumb talk with them, they confirmed they werent crumbing, and I didn't see it like a guilty.

Also, Snivy is the one who submitted Loyal Checker in the thread with all the roles.

With Dragon Loyal Vigilante failing on them, I think that's lowkey a soft guilty.

That means there are 2 soft guilties on Snivy.

[Flavor Leaf]

DE either had Aureal stop the kill or got scum roleblocked I think

or targeted ant-town.

[Flavor Leaf]

only 2 roles there that could have stopped DE shot on Snivy.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think I'm willing to fade Snivy, vig infinity, block Drew, don't let Python end game?

[Flavor Leaf]

Python technically has a soft guilty on them from last night blocked too.

[Flavor Leaf]

there's a win path and warrant for Snivy No Killing last night too. Python/Bianco were blocked, and with me cleared, Python seemed like a for sure fade.

then, I get to be killed tonight, or Dragon.

I think Snivy->Drew->Python lim path just wins the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

with Infinity vig.

[Flavor Leaf]

I dont think I believe Doctor Drew role cops STD over others as SK here, tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Snivy

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, Snivy->Python fade path bar something wild.

Dragon vigs Infinity tonight.
Blue roleblocks Drew.

I get a roleblock tomorrow if there's a No Kill, and we get to survive.

[Flavor Leaf]

Drew has to be a SK that can be Roleblocked, so that's why we do it that order, because they don't get to kill ever again if they're SK.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Infinity doesn't die, he's scum. Fade Python tomorrow, and then everyone on Drew the next night.

Drew scum never gets to kill again. Python gets dealt with, and Snivy can't pass.

I think we just end with Snivy, though, if Python's town.

[Flavor Leaf]

It is possible Snivy is bulletproof SK though. Or even bulletproof bulletproof-enabler bulletproof-finder SK.

yeah, there are plenty of options. I personally think we're right on the money, and if not, it's Python.

Infinity is possible, but I think it benefit them to go Python yesterday if they were SK, but im fine with you shooting Infinity.

Python made a good point that if Drew is SK they have to have roleblock possibility because they knew STD had a gun. I dont think that Drew rolecops STD of all players as scum, and it makes since as town. If he is SK, he gets no more kills, so he just always loses.

[Flavor Leaf]

I actually think it's Snivy here...

I blocked them Night 1, and their claim came after it came out I blocked them.

And during my Crumb talk with them, they confirmed they werent crumbing, and I didn't see it like a guilty.

Also, Snivy is the one who submitted Loyal Checker in the thread with all the roles.

With Dragon Loyal Vigilante failing on them, I think that's lowkey a soft guilty.

That means there are 2 soft guilties on Snivy.

The vig isn't loyal, the body guard is

oh, this is even better tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dragon, read the start of Day 2, up until the point I turned onto Snivy.

Their claim is just a little too perfect imo.

Only saving grace they have is that there wasnt a kill last night, but I think it was to frame Python. Either way, if we roleblocked Python successfully, we just fade Python tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

I do think considering only 1 death on N1 that maybe Snivy is SK commuter.

i roleblocked them Night 1, so even if they arent a commuter.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hey did invis even check in here, lol?

Big FoS: Invis

because they're invisible and hard to find

unfortunately, Aureal might have targeted Invisibility Night 2, drawing the kill that way, but where's the other kill? They did claim IC, so maybe thats what drew a real kill if Snivy is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

wait, they couldn't have done that, right?

your loyal bodyguard would have targeted aureal and took a kill from a scum team if they took your kill and another kill. hmm.

[Flavor Leaf]

so many possibilities.

I think it's best to just go with that plan because it gets all possibilities.

it's a mech victory.

[Flavor Leaf]

What specifically about Day 2 did you want me to see

basically around the time I claimed my soft guilty on Snivy into my push on them.

[Flavor Leaf]

so many possibilities.

I think it's best to just go with that plan because it gets all possibilities.

it's a mech victory.

I think since sk!drew is confirmed to be incapable of piercing roleblock and since SK!snivy is probably buletproof, that I agree with your plan.

Lim snivy shoot infinity, block Drew. if I die then infinity is not clear since they could be roleblocker SK, but if I + someone else dies then both infinity and drew are clear. If infinity dies it's GG. If no death it's probably still infinity, or a weird play by sk!python that will earn them like 1 extra day to live.

i think always fade Python tomorrow because we can Roleblock Doctor Drew for sure infinitely.

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Blue Roleblocks Drew.

We already had Python Roleblocked last night, with no kills, so either they got framed or blocked. Python gets faded tomorrow, and Drew gets faded the next day.

Based on Drew knowing STD’s role, he has limited options he could be as SK meaning he can get roleblocked every night, so Drew as SK means there is no more kills in the game.

Python just dies always tomorrow. Infinity always dies tonight.

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I will not do Drew before Python ever.

Drew SK never gets to make a kill ever again.

Python potentially can.

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And Python claimed BP, so Dragon can't shoot there.

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The optimal order to cover all bases is Snivy -> Python -> Drew

always block Drew, always vig Infinity.

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There are 2 soft guilties on Snivy.

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Snivy No Kill also makes sense in that situation because it was presumed I would always go after Python, and that Bianco wasn't going to end up dying.

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And I personally see the self vote as a SK give up.

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Why do you think Snivy is town?

the way he's played this whole game feels very agendaless including the selfvote just now, and i remember his reaction to fl's claim being really genuine

HARD disagree.

There's a reason I roleblocked them Night 1, and there's a reason I pushed them hard Day 2. Day 3 was the only day I thought they were townie besides end of Day 2 when I went to Uno.

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like literally, what's the issue here? If SK is in Drew, Snivy, Python, Infinity, my plan is the optimal plan to make sure nobody gets away.

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actually i changed my mind drew is town i wanna lim Infinity or Python

DRAGON EATER IS SHOOTING INFINITY

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Like we literally just win with my plan.

Drew CANNOT kill anymore if he is SK following this plan.

Python always gets faded TOMORROW if SK.

and Snivy is caught today.

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I can make a town case for every single person in this game. Doesn't mean they're all right.

I don't see Drew EVER role copping STD as SK here, over like me.

Snivy I actually have a hard time making a town case for, all they have is tone, and personally, I hated how they reacted Day 2 after that.

This is optimal path. If Snivy flips town, still a win and it takes out the wiggle room.

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There are 2 soft guilties on Snivy.

no, the vig part of dragon's role is not loyal

Oh, right.
Still Snivy.

Like my plan has absolutely no holes in it.

It's an automatic town victory.

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Idk the issue here Infinity.

It's an auto win.

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You drove yesterday's misfade too when I wanted Python yesterday.

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did you read 1555 i don't feel like talking mech atm

Snivy is scummiest by play too.

All they have is tone.

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Drew and Dragon, jump on Snivy for me please. It's auto win.

Infinity is probably just SK trying to wiggle his way into a possible SK victory, so we shoot them tonight.

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WE DO NOT BLOCK PYTHON AGAIN

there's already a SOFT GUILTY on PYTHON because they were roleblocked last night and Dragon claimed Bianco kill.

We got what we needed from Python fade.

It is time to perma block Doctor Drew, someone who is confirmed 'if scum, they can always be blocked'.

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you can shoot me ig, but dragon eater will die and i won't be confirmed

pedit: flavor leaf you did not read.

This is fine because we get double Roleblock the next night.

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And from an Infinity town POV, that should be an alright situation.

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you can shoot me ig, but dragon eater will die and i won't be confirmed

pedit: flavor leaf you did not read.

quote why this is the thing?

How will dragon eater die and you wont be confirmed? You'd be dead.

If Dragon dies, and you live, you're also conf town because he's a LOYAL BG.

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Plan is mathematically flawed I think?

If I shoot infinity and die we still have to kill infinity because they may be roleblocker SK and have targeted me with RB+kill.

Which means that JOAT!Drew can theoritically be blocked tonight, let me die from infinity, infinity gets limmed, Python gets limmed, then drew roleblocks BlueSnakelet and shoots, endgaming FL.

I think I can't shoot tonight so if I die (or anyone else dies) it means either JOAT!Drew wasted his shot, or Drew is clear which means that we prevent the above scenario from happening.

Am I extremely paranoid? Maybe. But I'm not going to shoot tonight. If anyone hammers before FL cracks the numbers and makes sure I'm not stupid, they are scum

we have a double block the next night.

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im not confirmed since i couldve rbed and shot him

we got double block tomorrow anyways, non issue.

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If you're town, this shouldn't matter. The plan always is a town victory if you are town Infinity.

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Like the entire reason we're blocking Drew is cause SK!Drew doesn't have a way to get accurate gunsmith results and also get around being roleblocked

This is why Drew lives today always. We perma block them from here on out.

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well there def is an extra protective at play if i didnt die unless aureal targetted me, but that doesnt account for the missing kill

oh well

If you're town, someone no killed or Python is blockable. This is why Python is the Day 5 fade.

We already know Bianco was blocked.

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btw who did Infinity protect n3? Snivy?

Oh, this was a possibility too.

I think Infinity's doc claim then change is kinda odd to do as scum.

Just always go Snivy->Python->Devil, and this game's done.

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bro leaf loyal only applies to the bg not the vig

yeah thats fine

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if nobody is going to vote me then what even is the plan here lmao

Dragon, Blue, Drew -> Vote Snivy.

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you did well Snivy. I think scum dying so fast screwed you here.

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i could also tell you were hiding behind Python and I yesterday, and with your Day 1 and Day 2 also having scumminess to it.

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you did well Snivy. I think scum dying so fast screwed you here.

bro what that wasnt a confession

it's a conviction.

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Infinity, just trust me here, please.

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there's no reason to go Drew today because of the ability to perma blockstop them.

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how

how what?

he's confirmed to not be one of the roles that can stop it based on knowing STD's role.

Personally, I don't believe ScumDrew rolecops STD of all players here either.

Even if he has a roleblock, then he has to use it to stop a roleblock on Blue and we get Dragon's role.

It's just an auto win to go Snivy->Python->Devil 100% of the time.

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can you at least talk with dragon about it

dragon and i spent all day yesterday talking about it what you mean

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that one possibility came up with you, but end of the day, that's not really that big of a deal.

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Snivy's the only one who can slip by end game if they pass this day phase.

they have the no result claim misfade into the 'SK must be a roleblocker!' challenge.

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In addition to Snivy claiming they wanna end game, and the defeatist attitude, plus their scummy placement Day 1 which caused me to roleblock them + their claim after I claimed the soft guilty on them, just means they gotta go.

Yes, there are other options, but it doesn't discount my analysis either, and with them being the only possible one to slip out, that is why they are the optimal fade today.

Drew never gets another kill if SK.

Python is always faded Day 5.

they do not win this game if scum.

Infinity is dealt with tonight because Drew as Roleblocker can't stop it, but Python could, and theyre getting faded tomorrow, and then we have a double Roleblock day.

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so it doesnt even matter, gg.

@everyone - just follow the path and win.

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how silly is it that if we just went Python like I wanted to yesterday, all this wouldve been avoided.

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how silly is it that if we just went Python like I wanted to yesterday, all this wouldve been avoided.

Still not sold on Python.

Now Snivy is another case.....

doesnt matter if youre sold or not.

the plan covers the bases on all 4 of the unconfirmed.

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and like, the path is Snivy->Python->Drew with infinity getting vigged.

If Snivy flips town, infinity flips town, then it's you or Python.

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and like, the path is Snivy->Python->Drew with infinity getting vigged.

If Snivy flips town, infinity flips town, then it's you or Python.

Won't make it past infinity worst case imo.

But I am all for it.

alright, vote Snivy.

I think it should be fine, and we have a double roleblock tomorrow.

You're getting roleblocked today, so there's no way you'd be able to stop Infinity from getting killed even if you have a roleblock. We just cover all the bases.

I think Snivy just flips SK, though.

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no, everyone unvoted.

In theory, Dragon/Blue will come and join.

Infinity could be SK who is trying to find a situation for the game to go their way, and Python could just be tunneled town.

I think the game's just over if we hold strong.

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I’m not changing from it

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A no elim plan just seems like a courtesy call tbh

And I’m trying to get flips.

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Like just take the slot out does the same thing

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I’m also not risking a kill on me and y’all letting Snivy slip.

So yeah, I’m just staying with my plan because it works, and it fades today.

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Any No kill play just makes it so that Snivy/Python either can make a kill or no kill play, and we already solved that with the block on Python last night.

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So 100% not into courtesy call no fade play.

Just fade Snivy and it’s the same thing

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It’s literally game over.

I just let a game slip by where I solved and people were dumb and didn’t listen until phases after, and whattya know, i was right.

Paranoia shouldn’t exist with this because it’s literally a sure victory.

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I don't see Drew EVER role copping STD as SK here, over like me.

Why couldn't Drew have Rolecopped STD N1?

why would he role cop STD as scum here....over anyone else in this game.

and Drew still loses this game if he's SK, so why does it matter?

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sorry i just dont buy he does that as scum here.

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and even so, he's caught in my plan if he is scum. we're just talking to talk at this point. there's no wiggle room for any of the 4 with my exact path.

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snivy was already scum forfeiting earlier, it's obv. just vote Snivy.

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If it works, it works. Idk why it matters personally

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Like i do not care.

No elim just slows the game down and trying to kill as little people as possible.

If Snivy is scum, they lie about it, and it takes just as much time to get there with no elim

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Like the entirety of 1688 does the same thing if we went Snivy first into the night

No elim just opens up the chance for ME to die tonight.

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Choosing no elim just makes the order go

No Elim->Python->Drew->Snivy

Instead of just going

Snivy->Python->Drew

No matter what it still ends with Python tomorrow in the majority of situations.

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leaf i have a question

why not go python->me where if i get a guilty you ignore it and just lim me

I’d rather do this than No Elim, sure.

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That’s just going Python->Drew->Snivy

Either way, still faster than the No Elim route.

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Sorry you all can’t comprehend why my path is the shortest sweetest route available.

Didn’t think it was that next level, but alas here we are

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but why not over limming me first? you bssically get to the same place anyway

Cuz I don’t really wanna deal with your result, but these fools gonna listen to it no matter what and WIFOM their self.

And if you’re scum, I’d rather just get it over with, but they wanna let you go last.

And i simply do not care if you’re investigative, because imm better than you’re investigative result :shrug:

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still confused as to where my slip is as well

VOTE: Python

Anything to stop that god awful no elim path

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Like if it’s Python, Infinity, or Snivy, I get a big ol “I told you so” to everyone here as is.

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dawg thats 3/4 of the poe

I know, and if we listened to my plan already, we’d have won the game by now.

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The only other alternative to voting Snivy->Python->Drew

Is going

Python->Snivy->Drew

Everything else is nonsense prolonging for prolonging’s sake.

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Going no elim is just protecting for protecting sake. It’s the coward scaredy cat choice.

It doesn’t matter if any of them flip town, because fading through them just wins the game every time

Driving me insane. It’s really not that hard a concept

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Like the entirety of 1688 does the same thing if we went Snivy first into the night

No elim just opens up the chance for ME to die tonight.

No it doesn't. We're losing the benefit of snivy's cop.

IT DOESNT MATTER

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As long as Snivy and Drew don't endgame we're fine with any lim today

VOTE: Python

I would rather Snivy over you, so if you’d like to vote Snivy, I’ll move back

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I think the answer is no from how the mod answered so far but we'll see

From the wiki:

A Bodyguard is a role who can target a player at Night to protect them. However, if the protected player is supposed to be killed, the Bodyguard is killed instead ("taking the bullet" for them, as it were).

Drew could Doctor Infinity to force a no-death

Okay, I amend my statement to:

If there's a no kill and Snivy gets a red check, Drew is clear. If there's a no kill and snivy gets a green check then drew isn't clear but Python is.

Either way 4 clears and 3 unclears is winnable whereas 3 clears and 4 unclears is not mathematically guaranteed.

Youre forgetting about No Kill Gambits and ignoring Snivy lying possibility.

This doesn’t matter.

Just fade Snivy

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Making it way more complicated than it has to be

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VOTE: Snivy

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Infinity Roleblocker ruins everything with any other plan tbh. That’s one of the main reasons Snivy has to go today before the double block night.

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NIGHT ACTION FOR BLUESNAKELET SLOT

Roleblock Drew Please!

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dont wanna be too egocentric but im pretty sure if there was an SK roleblocker i would be the target

You’d been be the target, yes

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You been

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NIGHT ACTION FOR EATER OF DRAGONS

Kill the heck out of Infinity

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Lucky we already faded Snivy, or you be getting policies by Python after that

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One thing that could mess things up is a BlueSnake flake and no action on DrewSK tbh

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One thing that could mess things up is a BlueSnake flake and no action on DrewSK tbh

Well lucky for us there is no DrewSK.

You get my reasoning for why I don’t think DrewSK rolecops STD here? Like imo, it just doesn’t feel that impactful.

Nothing against STD, but really just not worth it.

+ your guilty wasnt even strong enough to conftown you, so it just objectively didn’t make sense for you to be scum here.

I’ve always thought it was one of the other three, and they get taken care of by end of Day 5.