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on another site I played on they just used the word "linch"In post 18, Black wrote: i definitely like yeeting and fading people
People kept messing up so much that the admins had to blacklist both words, you would get an error message if you typed either word-
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cool, here we have our first townslip! (probably!)
I'd imagine that scum would have a quick discussion about the setup and the mech in the scum PT after they receive their role PM's. That usually happens in newbie games at least.-
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Town clear rescindedIn post 33, Generic wrote:
Nope, I’m afraid to burst the bubble but that was me attempting sarcasm… through text… like a moron.In post 32, T3 wrote:cool, here we have our first townslip! (probably!)
I'd imagine that scum would have a quick discussion about the setup and the mech in the scum PT after they receive their role PM's. That usually happens in newbie games at least.
Don’t town clear me off the lamest of attempts at humour please.-
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Reasoning for my read: I thought the way that Black said this was weird. Like, why not explain why Generic's solving could be a good or bad sign?In post 28, Black wrote: Generic trying to read and solve already is probably a good sign?-
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Yeah but it was the way you phrased it that felt weird. Either way, I'm just grasping at straws to get discussion going.In post 44, Black wrote:
there's not really much to explain. i thought Generic's read felt naturalIn post 38, T3 wrote:
Reasoning for my read: I thought the way that Black said this was weird. Like, why not explain why Generic's solving could be a good or bad sign?In post 28, Black wrote: Generic trying to read and solve already is probably a good sign?-
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What about it?In post 46, CCGeek wrote: The one thing I'm probably not sold on is T3's faux(?) aggression-
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What? This is literally just random RVS stuff.In post 64, CCGeek wrote: Me forgetting to quote the post it was referencing be like:
My bad, though.
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Estimated completed games: 25? 30? Probably a few hundred on EpicMafia and mafia.gg.In post 76, Generic wrote: Estimated completed games:
Have you had victories in a mafia team?:
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Have you had victories in a mafia team?: My winrate as scum is 45% or so.
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I think the average scum winrate on MS is 48% or something lmaoIn post 123, Generic wrote:
That’s a good win rate for a role that is sometimes out of your own hands. Get the wrong team around you and it’s like cycling up a mountain.In post 122, T3 wrote:
Estimated completed games: 25? 30? Probably a few hundred on EpicMafia and mafia.gg.In post 76, Generic wrote: Estimated completed games:
Have you had victories in a mafia team?:
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Have you had victories in a mafia team?: My winrate as scum is 45% or so.
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Well yeah, but my read on you was also a weak tone read. If anything, CCGeek had more substance to his scumread that - I couldn't properly put into words why I scumread you. CCG's scumread of you was just my scumread of you, but phrased better.In post 83, Black wrote:
T3's vote felt natural and I like the reasoning behind it (wanting to start discussion)In post 78, CCGeek wrote:
Was an attempt to fish for the statement you made about not minding T3's vote.In post 75, Black wrote:
I'm not sure what you are getting at with this question? I'd say 3 out of 8 possible votes qualifies as a wagonIn post 72, CCGeek wrote: But I do have a question for you. In a 9p game, what do you think constitutes as a wagon?
Your vote feels forced and there doesn't seem to be any reasoning behind it other than you think I might be scum based on a weak tone read-
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Just when I think that Black can't get scummierIn post 100, Black wrote:
this kinda feels like a perspective slip? in one breath you vote for me, and in the next you talk to me like you think i'm townIn post 98, Dannflor wrote: I think CCGeek's push on you is too inconsistent to be scum, Black-
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Dannflor's reasoning for voting Black was because she was discrediting him. Now, it seems like Black is doing the exact opposite and is going out of her way to not discredit Dannflor.In post 197, Black wrote: rereading makes me think dannflor is the towniest out of those on my wagon. his push on me has felt the most organic. originally i had issues with 124 because it felt like an over-the-top response to me voting for him. after isoing him and cross examining with his other posts, i feel dannflor is being genuine in his suspicions here. while i don't completely agree with some of the points made in this post, it still feels more natural than any of the pushes so far-
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I doubt generic is scum. His posting feels very very natural.In post 201, Black wrote: my natural reaction is to get defensive when someone is wrong about me. that's just how my brain works. i realize that may seem scummy but it's something i do naturally regardless of alignment
what are your thoughts on Generic? and can you elaborate on 158?
As for 158 your read there just didn’t seem real. I think town!you would have more self-doubt in that scenario.-
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Reading page 9, there is no way that scum!Generic goes and thunderdomes Black here. No way in hell.-
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You’re right - my attention has been divided today so I haven’t been reading as in-depth as I’d like to be.In post 213, Black wrote: my gut townread of T3 has faded a bit. i can see him being a Generic partner after his last two posts were basically run in, shade me, run out-
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[Generic, Dunnstral]
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I'd guess that iavh is a fairly meta readable player so that's up next on my list-
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I was in the middle of typing up a post and then I refresh the page and see this-
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No. First there was Aureal and Black’s friendly interaction in the early pages which I don’t usually see come from scum. As far as I can tell, Black and Aureal know each other from another site or IRL or something and if they were scum also I doubt that they would have this interaction in the thread. In fact, I had an MS game a while ago in which I rolled scum with a guy I was friends with on another site and we kept all of our excitement at seeing each other in the scum PT.In post 310, Dannflor wrote: you think aureal and black make sense as scum partners?
As for Aureal’s defense of Black, I can’t see that coming from s/s either. I think the defense is scummy in of itself because Aureal claims that Black is towny and only posts the defense later. However, I doubt Aureal would be so aggressive about defending Black if they were both scum.
Plus in 198 I would expect s/s Black/Aureal to townread each other more. But Black says that she can’t get much of a read on Aureal, and says that Aureal both pockets and defends her as town and scum. I can see that post coming from town!Black who is concerned about pocketing or scum!Black who wants to keep the option of a town!Aureal lim open.-
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I think I just liked his thought process about your scumread on Black, it seemed fairly natural and believable. He's more "null town" than "lean town" however.In post 311, Dannflor wrote: also why is dunnstral so high-
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Sure? I mean, I have reads on players that are not you but I haven't been particularly expressive of those reads. I understand where this read comes from though.In post 318, Black wrote:
VOTE: T3In post 307, T3 wrote: I don't think this game will ever progress without a black lim tbf
I don't think he is trying to solve the game. He voted for me on page 2 and since then almost every post has been a timely pop-in to keep the pressure on me. This post feels like an excuse to not do anything until I'm faded-
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Did anyone actually ever say this???In post 323, Aureal wrote: I hate the idea that we're obligated to yeet Black now because of claim stuff-
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[/quote]Yeah but not because of the whole claim situation lolIn post 375, meowmeow wrote: pedit: T3 i kind of think you said that too lol-
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Maybe? Iavh is almost always LHF though
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I thought there was a much higher volume of scummy stuff coming from youIn post 342, Black wrote:
What makes me scummier than Aureal?In post 340, T3 wrote:
No. First there was Aureal and Black’s friendly interaction in the early pages which I don’t usually see come from scum. As far as I can tell, Black and Aureal know each other from another site or IRL or something and if they were scum also I doubt that they would have this interaction in the thread. In fact, I had an MS game a while ago in which I rolled scum with a guy I was friends with on another site and we kept all of our excitement at seeing each other in the scum PT.In post 310, Dannflor wrote: you think aureal and black make sense as scum partners?
As for Aureal’s defense of Black, I can’t see that coming from s/s either. I think the defense is scummy in of itself because Aureal claims that Black is towny and only posts the defense later. However, I doubt Aureal would be so aggressive about defending Black if they were both scum.
Plus in 198 I would expect s/s Black/Aureal to townread each other more. But Black says that she can’t get much of a read on Aureal, and says that Aureal both pockets and defends her as town and scum. I can see that post coming from town!Black who is concerned about pocketing or scum!Black who wants to keep the option of a town!Aureal lim open.-
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Not at all tbh - I feel more guilty when I make an incorrect push as town lolIn post 349, meowmeow wrote: ok i have a question for everyone here
when you roll scum, on average, how guilty is your conscience-
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I really like this post and I think you’re probably correct. You’re exactly right that I just took a little glance at Dannflor’s wall, I thought “yeah, this makes sense” and while I did think that some of his points
werea bit of a stretch I ultimately agreed with his read so I never bothered to comment on it or actually click all of his posts and follow them up to try to understand the context behind them.
I also didn’t like his IAVH scumread, again, it felt all too convenient. The Black wagon had stalled and instead of doing genuine sorting and scumhunting it seemed to me like Dannflor instead was just going through the motions to make it appear like he’s sorting. His questioning of me wasn’t scummy in of itself but scum can absolutely fake that, and it didn’t seem to me like he was actually using his questioning of me to sort me.
If I am scum, in this gamestate I absolutely want to make uncontroversial lurker scumreads and prevent meaningful discussion from happening, and that’s exactly what it seemed like Dannflor was doing.
NOTE: I had not read meowmeow’s above post before I voted Dannflor. I voted him over the IAVH stuff and then I went back and read pages 14/15 because I had missed them.-
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Yes. I haven’t taken a look at Black and Aureal’s associatives outside of each other.In post 367, Dannflor wrote:
I guess I'm confused who you think is scum thenIn post 340, T3 wrote: snip
because aureal was in your second bottom row
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Recency bias tbh
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My position on Black is that her earlier stuff was scummy, but her recent posting has been reasonably towny, especially in relation to me.In post 403, meowmeow wrote: actually i guess t3's current position on black isn't super clear? it'd be cool if he explained the vote on dannflor but i think other people already said that. i assumed he kept scumreading black at that point since he wasn't switching his vote-
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Spoiler: random IAVH meta stuff
Soon after going through these three games I realized that IAVH has never actually played a scum game on this site-
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Maybe? What would be the town motivation for unvoting?In post 422, Abnegation wrote: i like many of the points made in her case on dann in 351. the unvote is interesting though — meow definitely still had a case there, it was only that one piece that had been refuted. i think scum might be more inclined to keep voting there, or at least i would be as scum.-
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This seems like a fairly disingenuous way of phrasing things. IAVH wasn't complaining about being voted, he was complaining about being scumread and people calling for him to be voted.In post 428, Dannflor wrote: No one is voting you-
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455 is pretty towny. I don't have much of a read on Abnegation since replacing in but I don't think I want to lim him today.-
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WhyIn post 451, camelCasedSnivy wrote: im not on board for iavh bandwagon
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True, but I can see IAVH saying that from a town POV more than I can see Dannflor saying that.In post 478, Dunnstral wrote:
Which was also not happening in the way they were saying, by the way.In post 466, T3 wrote:
This seems like a fairly disingenuous way of phrasing things. IAVH wasn't complaining about being voted, he was complaining about being scumread and people calling for him to be voted.In post 428, Dannflor wrote: No one is voting you-
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Same tbh. I scumread Dannflor more than Dunn or IAVH, but I also think that it's fairly unlikely that Dunn or IAVH will ever town it up and they'll likely have to be limmed at some point. I still want Dannflor gone today though.In post 484, Abnegation wrote: i could probably be sold on dunn or iavh, but currently my feeling towards those slots is more like "well, i don'tnotwant to vote there."
also quite liking the wagon composition on dann.-
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True, I mean the whole "the day won't progress unless Black is eliminated" was mainly because of Generic though, and then Generic was bannedIn post 490, Dunnstral wrote:
You said the same thing about Black and we are no longer voting for her. It is so scummy that you keep pushing things like this.In post 486, T3 wrote:
Same tbh. I scumread Dannflor more than Dunn or IAVH, but I also think that it's fairly unlikely that Dunn or IAVH will ever town it up and they'll likely have to be limmed at some point. I still want Dannflor gone today though.In post 484, Abnegation wrote: i could probably be sold on dunn or iavh, but currently my feeling towards those slots is more like "well, i don'tnotwant to vote there."
also quite liking the wagon composition on dann.-
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I don't have a response to 501, what you're saying there makes sense.
I've been scumread so many times for having "fake thought processes" or "convenient thought processes" as town. In this case I thought that I might get scumread for voting you and then having an "after-the-fact justification" so I included that note at the end.In post 502, Dannflor wrote: I feel the note at the end of this post very rarely comes from town. Who is this for? Idk needing to preclarify a train of thought comes from scum a lot more of the time in my experience because town already know they have a genuine complex train of thought. Scum are trying to convince everyone that their unique complex train of thought is real.-
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How am I being charitable???In post 516, Dannflor wrote: I don't really get why you're being so charitable to me now when you say you want me limmed today-
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By "charitable" do you mean "engaging with your scumread of me in good faith?"-
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You can be scum and still have a valid caseIn post 519, Dannflor wrote: I think it's weird that your response to 501 is to be like "ya that makes sense"
and not like, "well, this is wrong, im town, here is just what i was thinking!"
like idk i expect if you think I'm scum for your initial reaction to be that I'm bullshitting a scum case on you but instead your initial reaction is that my scum case on town!you makes sense?-
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I do have an unfortunate habit of ghosting when I get wagoned as both alignments thoughIn post 523, Dannflor wrote: t3 frozen scum ez gg-
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Just remember to claim intent to hammer before actually hammering to allow for claims.In post 538, iamveryhappy wrote: Before I want to yeet anyone I would like to say this is not biased against anyone-
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I thought IAVH might forget to declare intent, I think you can excuse me for that.In post 558, Dannflor wrote:
weird fucking post to make btwIn post 541, T3 wrote:
Just remember to claim intent to hammer before actually hammering to allow for claims.In post 538, iamveryhappy wrote: Before I want to yeet anyone I would like to say this is not biased against anyone-
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What about, like, actual scumreads? This logic is so weird that I almost wonder if Dannflor is tunnled town.In post 567, Dannflor wrote:
tbh these are the types of reads that flip scum most oftenIn post 564, Aureal wrote: I went through the game again and didn't see anything that really pinged me. He seems to occupy a pretty solidly reasonable position. Could he be scum, sure. I don't have any reason to particularly suspect him at this point so I'm fine worrying about that later.-
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I don't think octuplevoter is a role in the setup.
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Really? I thought that actual lims are more likely to be scum than the EV.In post 575, Dannflor wrote:
most people's actual scum reads flip townIn post 573, T3 wrote:
What about, like, actual scumreads? This logic is so weird that I almost wonder if Dannflor is tunnled town.In post 567, Dannflor wrote:
tbh these are the types of reads that flip scum most oftenIn post 564, Aureal wrote: I went through the game again and didn't see anything that really pinged me. He seems to occupy a pretty solidly reasonable position. Could he be scum, sure. I don't have any reason to particularly suspect him at this point so I'm fine worrying about that later.
like empirically if you look at the average person's reads in any given game their null reads are the most likely group of reads to contain scum-
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I still think you're scum, but if we're both town and the gamestate is really this fucked up then I'd say that scum is Aureal/iavh or probably, maybe replace one of the two with Abnegation.In post 580, Dannflor wrote:
at risk of being tunneled town this sentence feels performativeIn post 573, T3 wrote: This logic is so weird that I almost wonder if Dannflor is tunnled town
i think you've been far too charitable to me here
and idk if you actually are thinking this then the game state is fucked up - like who would be mafia?-
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Can you please explain your read progression on me and Dannflor if possible? I've been going through your ISO and I don't quite understand why you voted Dannflor and me why and when you did.In post 569, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
its either a scum post or T3 just thinks iamveryhappy will forgetIn post 558, Dannflor wrote:
weird fucking post to make btwIn post 541, T3 wrote:
Just remember to claim intent to hammer before actually hammering to allow for claims.In post 538, iamveryhappy wrote: Before I want to yeet anyone I would like to say this is not biased against anyone-
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Or sorry, scumread Dannflor, yeah, you didn't vote him.In post 588, camelCasedSnivy wrote: i voted dannflor?-
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so it was just POE? And what is your current read on Dannflor?In post 592, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
i based my dann read on the assumption that iavh/dunn/dann had 1 scum in it. i chose Dunnstral mainly because i didn't like his push on iamveryhappyIn post 590, T3 wrote:
Or sorry, scumread Dannflor, yeah, you didn't vote him.In post 588, camelCasedSnivy wrote: i voted dannflor?-
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