Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not sure how I feel rn
There are players that I feel are scum in some moments but I want to believe are town in others

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not sure how I feel rn
There are players that I feel are scum in some moments but I want to believe are town in others

Could you tell me who? Because I have the opposite problem, sort of.

Hu Tao is the worst one
Ari + dave also irked me earlier
furtive is in that zone too

[Gamma Emerald]

Huh makes sense

Yeah I get what you mean about all of them.

Are they your biggest SR's RN?

nah
ftr most of them end up town via associations if I go by my PoE

[Gamma Emerald]

Huh makes sense

Yeah I get what you mean about all of them.

Are they your biggest SR's RN?

nah
ftr most of them end up town via associations if I go by my PoE

Oh okay

Who are your biggest SR's?

Naerys and RCE, yess kinda but I’m questioning it

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VOTE: titus

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Bloop (suck it dave)

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What do you think?
@dave
@python
@meuh
@hu tao
@drew
@gamma

I always try yo include at least 50% of players in a towncore if attempting to PoE solve
There’s usually time to course correct in cases where I’m way off my mark

[Gamma Emerald]

Care to tell me your reads on Gamma/Meuh/Python?

I'm null on all 3

If you’re still null on me, you’re not fucking trying.

[Gamma Emerald]

Care to tell me your reads on Gamma/Meuh/Python?

I'm null on all 3

If you’re still null on me, you’re not fucking trying.

Why should I Town read me? Cause you've been aggressive at me all game?

Did I say you should TR me? No I said you should have a read on me. I have a significant number of posts, enough that if you’ve been following the game you should have opinions on some of them.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the people accusing me of not trying or doing anything are the ones not doing anything or not reading. It's pretty funny.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have given opinions. I think your anger is NAI and based on posts I don't know if you're town or not. I don't see why that is a big deal

Do you seriously see the anger as the only notable thing I’ve done? That’s fucking bogus.

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I have given opinions. I think your anger is NAI and based on posts I don't know if you're town or not. I don't see why that is a big deal

Do you seriously see the anger as the only notable thing I’ve done? That’s fucking bogus.

Read your posts to me directly and tell me where a non anger post was.

Not the issue at hand, Gamma can madpost and still be advancing the game. What's your read on that

Hu Tao your current approach feels evasive and subversive

[Gamma Emerald]

I have given opinions. I think your anger is NAI and based on posts I don't know if you're town or not. I don't see why that is a big deal

Do you seriously see the anger as the only notable thing I’ve done? That’s fucking bogus.

Read your posts to me directly and tell me where a non anger post was.

Not the issue at hand, Gamma can madpost and still be advancing the game. What's your read on that

Hu Tao your current approach feels evasive and subversive

Okay. Do you prefer for me to make up a read for you? I'm not going to be forced make a decision now if I don't want to.

I want you to at least try
The best way I can see for you to show that is to post-by-post analyze my ISO. I understand that’s probably a lot of work but I am not looking for a lot, just some sign that you’re on the level

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Like I said, I don't have a read on her.

Is it that you've read everything Gamma has done and concluded that she's null rn or do you not have a read cause you haven't made one yet?

I'm not sure what you're asking at this point. Are you implying I'm not reading?

We're asking if your null read on Gamma is a "yeah I can't read her" type beat or more of a "oh yeah gamma is in this game"

I've read her correctly in the past. As of now I don't have enough information to give a read. I'm not one who likes to flip reads throughout a game unless something drastically changes.

which games were these btw?

[Gamma Emerald]

vrej

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VOTE: Hu Tao
I’m not going to coddle you while you refuse to take basic steps to play the game. Your “reason” is garbage: you are using my emotional play as an excuse to not have to form reads on the content in my posts. When pressed to fix that issue, you have decided to throw a tantrum and villainize the people going after you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think hu tao is fine seems to be solving and the attitude also seems towny

shut the fuck up, you are not helping

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that was mean, I’m sorry
I just feel like you say those things not in the interest of having a dialogue, but instead to suppress opinions you disagree with/dislike. Lmk if you are open to talking about it?

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I honestly don’t care if Hu Tao does this as town? It’s incredibly detrimental to working together imo, specifically the petulant attitude she gets when poked to actually do things of substance. This is essentially a policy vote, since we’re early in the game I view that as an acceptable option.

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Anyways

Let's vote scum

@Gamma do you like Theta or yess as scum more?

Just 2 randomly picked names

Probably yess
I think Theta has scum equity but there was something that gave me pause

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In 2309 she also seems to have more presence based on post count alone
I’m aware sometimes RL gets in the way but that doesn’t seem to be the case here

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This is starting to feel toxic, i dont like that

I'll stop. Sorry if I made you uncomfortable

Its not aimed only at you, Gamma was not helping either.

This is the second game where I have had to put up with Hu Tao playing this way, and I don’t see any real excuse for it this time. Even in 2314 she had some workable content; in this game she only has 5 reads after 80+ pages and the reasons she’s giving for not having more come across as either lazy or evasive. I don’t even remember who those 5 reads are currently, either.

[Gamma Emerald]

So what does everyone think? Am I town or scum?

You could be either-or, I see glimpses of your towngame but I saw some in love child too. You’re playing a game that’s very useful to scum rn, but Naerys is also a suspect and if she flips scum that makes you look better.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hu Tao is town. They are always "quiet" as town. I can quote you a whole bunch of games where they are like this.

Comparing this game with Mini Normal 2316 they're a lot less pointy (yeah idk how to explain it better) this game, like yeah they're not that present normally but they still have like opinions and stuff instead of just passing their turn like they're doing here

Hmm yeah that ISO is full of witty concise takes which are kinda lacking here

I'm gonna check 2 more ISO's of her, one moment.

Mafia have a cop - much less pointy than how they are in 2316. However they do have some interesting takes.

In this game they have less interesting takes than in Mafia has a cop, BUT if you compare this game to Love Child (where Hu was scum), I feel the posts here feel more real and less for show than in Love Child. If anything I feel the complete lack of takes indicates zero interest in being TR'd, which is usually a town characteristic.

In this game people were complaining I wasn't active enough. But you were saying that as town I'm less likely to be active. Thoughts?

Why do you think DE is arguing the way he is?

[Gamma Emerald]

Care to tell me your reads on Gamma/Meuh/Python?

I'm null on all 3

Going back to this, why are you null on Python? I can get being null on Meuh

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I think hu tao is fine seems to be solving and the attitude also seems towny

shut the fuck up, you are not helping

Didn't you know, defending me is against the rules.

This is quite disingenuous when I explained my issue with gob’s post shortly after

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We're asking if your null read on Gamma is a "yeah I can't read her" type beat or more of a "oh yeah gamma is in this game"

I've read her correctly in the past. As of now I don't have enough information to give a read. I'm not one who likes to flip reads throughout a game unless something drastically changes.

This is just mindboggling ftr
I’m in the top 3 posters still in the game and Hu Tao says they don’t have enough information to read me? The only way that begins to track is if she is skipping posts where I get emotional, which idk the ratio of but it can’t be THAT bad! In fact I’m inclined to calculate that myself.

[Gamma Emerald]

dave town
Drew (Black) town
DE scum
Titus scum

These are the reads I picked up from Hu Tao’s ISO, are these correct? What’s the one I missed?

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I think the issue people are having with your null reads is there’s no indication of any distinction between “null because I haven’t tried to sort them” and “null because I tried sorting them and got nowhere”.

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This is starting to feel toxic, i dont like that

I'll stop. Sorry if I made you uncomfortable

Its not aimed only at you, Gamma was not helping either.

This is the second game where I have had to put up with Hu Tao playing this way, and I don’t see any real excuse for it this time. Even in 2314 she had some workable content; in this game she only has 5 reads after 80+ pages and the reasons she’s giving for not having more come across as either lazy or evasive. I don’t even remember who those 5 reads are currently, either.

2314 I was pretty active. I was also Mason so I couldn't be too towny as I didn't want to be killed by scum. so I feel this is not relatable.

I think in some ways it is but whatever, don’t want to focus on that

[Gamma Emerald]

What's her scum meta?

Being obvious

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not sure if you do reads differently. But I don't go up or down on people based on posts. I usually leave them blank until I have a read determined. You can check any of my games where I post reads. Sometimes I'll just say unsure next to people by day 2 or 3.

This doesn’t

sound

like a real thought process. I think you’re oversimplifying. You’re telling me you see something you can read and you suddenly snap to a full-confidence read on that player?

[Gamma Emerald]

I do it too it just looks a bit weird the way Hu Tao said it
Ftr I mostly do it on things where it’s pretty heavily gut-based. I tend to have one read every game that I just can’t explain effectively as a result

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I’m trying to figure out what the in-between is for you
Going straight from “blank space” to “fully filled-out read determined” seems like you are less genuinely sorting people and more just choosing to read people a certain way. I don’t think you meant to suggest that so I want you to explain your process further.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m trying to figure out what the in-between is for you
Going straight from “blank space” to “fully filled-out read determined” seems like you are less genuinely sorting people and more just choosing to read people a certain way. I don’t think you meant to suggest that so I want you to explain your process further.

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Like this game that just ended my only real reads were drew town, gob scum and one of dragon or black scum. And I got voted out for it.

That’s not what I am really asking? I want to know what your exact process for filling in those blanks is

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I don't know. It just happens. But I've proven that I do it as town so not sure why it matters.

it matters because in the case you’re town here I want to reduce the amount of energy spent trying to deal with your methods. Given you were voted out in the game you linked, it’s clear you are wasting town’s time by not effectively showing your thought process. The solutions I see are to either a) change how you are playing or b) to show how you get to where you’re at with your current playstyle

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You ever get multiple people telling you you did something wrong, but you don't even see what you did wrong. And nobody will tell you as punishment

Feels bad when this happen

If you’re trying to describe Hu Tao’s situation, I don’t agree. I and others have tried to explain where our grievances lie and it seems to be alienating them when she should be trying to take it in. And I don’t get how you’re getting the idea that no one is telling her as punishment for anything?
But in general I get this.

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No, I’d say I’m around 35%

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wut?

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I think in the circumstances, gob’s play makes sense

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I don't think I want gob today

Was this the read I missed?

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't know. Ask others their opinions on gob too..

yeah sure

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Titus
I feel like we should just flip this and move on

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

get your vote back on Titus

[Gamma Emerald]

slot has not impressed me
kyouko's play/reads felt convenient
I think the fact I didn't vibe with kyouko when I tried to directly engage is scum-indicative
Titus play is also not gelling with me, Titus is like the first person I ever learned to read via vibe check
I think the wagon formation things she's pointing out actually make her look worse potentially
she's voting my n0

[Gamma Emerald]

Jesus this is frustrating. Not a single case on me. Objections to voting people that should be pressured. Wtf.

[Gamma Emerald]

Don’t agree with the Python SRs rn

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I’m still not seeing it
I don’t see how Python’s early play is scum-aligned

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Why are we voting python? I've just iso-ed them and like....I disagree with like 80% of their reads but they look solvey and engaged and would scum really have so many bad takes.

If the leading wagons have been ht, Titus and python then I think they've all been on town.

Gamma's town. De is still town.

Do you have any ideas for alternatives? Just saying the top wagons are all on town doesn’t exactly help.

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No, I tend to find town more easy than scum, especially day one. That is helpful later though.

I thought theta was town about 50 pages ago, I'd have to iso them, I haven't had town pings from what I've read from Ari

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Explain?

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Bring that up with DE because I was SRing yess and then he talked me down iirc

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Ok like, this is pretty clear townTitus, or at least not scumTitus.

This is a weird take I feel
It has to be either town or scum Titus? Like I get what you’re probably saying on paper but the execution is wack

[Gamma Emerald]

That meta doesn’t feel right
Imma just keep on with the vibe check method

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I tend to resonate with her thought process when she’s town, even if our reads don’t align

[Gamma Emerald]

I tend to resonate with her thought process when she’s town, even if our reads don’t align

You are being vague here

I can see how she gets to the reads she has when she's town, I don't really get that feeling when she's scum
that's the best I got

[Gamma Emerald]

If you can bring life to this game

(wake me up)
wake me up inside
(can't wake up)
wake me up inside
(save me)
call my name and save me from my pride

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You are missing the grind this day has been Drew. I realize we have time. But we have moved NOWHERE for 30 pages. If you can bring life to this game to make my reads move anywhere that would be a godsend. But right now all ur doing is telling me i look bad or should make better cases.

I got nothing for u buddy

The last Boonytunez game just ended, was a bit of a twist where town wanted to be voted off.

Everyone was lock towning Alianna, so much that the D1 game state stalled a bit. I wasn't liking it since she will obv town at some point, yet hadn't shown that to me at that point since she will expose herself as town eventually if she is in fact town.......spoiler: She was scum(jester in that game)

So ya, I don't want to just 'go with the general thinking' here on a case that hasn't seemed solid from anyone, when we have 5 days until deadline.

Games have an ebb and a flow, I will not be a part in ending D1 one earlier than it should be ended.

this feels disingenuous when we also came off Cook's Kitchen Sink where the fast D1 probably helped town (which btw is not the first time that's happened in a game boon was in proximity to)

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You are missing the grind this day has been Drew. I realize we have time. But we have moved NOWHERE for 30 pages. If you can bring life to this game to make my reads move anywhere that would be a godsend. But right now all ur doing is telling me i look bad or should make better cases.

I got nothing for u buddy

The last Boonytunez game just ended, was a bit of a twist where town wanted to be voted off.

Everyone was lock towning Alianna, so much that the D1 game state stalled a bit. I wasn't liking it since she will obv town at some point, yet hadn't shown that to me at that point since she will expose herself as town eventually if she is in fact town.......spoiler: She was scum(jester in that game)

So ya, I don't want to just 'go with the general thinking' here on a case that hasn't seemed solid from anyone, when we have 5 days until deadline.

Games have an ebb and a flow, I will not be a part in ending D1 one earlier than it should be ended.

this feels disingenuous when we also came off Cook's Kitchen Sink where the fast D1 probably helped town (which btw is not the first time that's happened in a game boon was in proximity to)

What do you mean 'boon was in proximity to'?

he played in kitchen sink and modded the other game I'm speaking of, it was actually another booneytoonz game, iirc it was the first one to ever run in the theme queue since the greylist had just been abolished

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I literally do not know what you are trying to say here

I am not saying super-complicated stuff, at least before the comma
I was townreading Black and you're on your way to torching that read, brother.

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You are missing the grind this day has been Drew. I realize we have time. But we have moved NOWHERE for 30 pages. If you can bring life to this game to make my reads move anywhere that would be a godsend. But right now all ur doing is telling me i look bad or should make better cases.

I got nothing for u buddy

The last Boonytunez game just ended, was a bit of a twist where town wanted to be voted off.

Everyone was lock towning Alianna, so much that the D1 game state stalled a bit. I wasn't liking it since she will obv town at some point, yet hadn't shown that to me at that point since she will expose herself as town eventually if she is in fact town.......spoiler: She was scum(jester in that game)

So ya, I don't want to just 'go with the general thinking' here on a case that hasn't seemed solid from anyone, when we have 5 days until deadline.

Games have an ebb and a flow, I will not be a part in ending D1 one earlier than it should be ended.

this feels disingenuous when we also came off Cook's Kitchen Sink where the fast D1 probably helped town (which btw is not the first time that's happened in a game boon was in proximity to)

What do you mean 'boon was in proximity to'?

he played in kitchen sink and modded the other game I'm speaking of, it was actually another booneytoonz game, iirc it was the first one to ever run in the theme queue since the greylist had just been abolished

Again, I literally have no idea what you are saying here.

What does Kitchen Sink have to to with the last Boonytunes game?

What is the greylist?

the most recent booneytoonz wasn't mentioned in there
the greylist was a feature of the normal queue that used to exist and maybe exists again under another format?

but that's not omportat, the point I'm making is fast D1s can be good for town, and I agree with FB that there's not been a lot of forward progress lately. We need am elim. I honestly hate when people go "oh we need to milk the deadline for all it's worth", no we fucking don't, that's how you get apathy in games!

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Me: lets end this day if no one is going to towncase Titus.
Drew: We don't need to rush the day. We got time
Me: Nothing has been happening we are stalling a day creating apathy
Drew: We have time and I bring a new perspective
Me: Okay are you going to go back/make cases and give thoughts that drive game forward
Drew: I am going to real time interact with people.
Me: .. . . . . . . The problem is there is nothing real time for you give thoughts that will help us drive game forward, you need to read game and make a case to help us move forward.
Drew: Okay well I am just gonna do what I do.
Me: . . . .. I give up.

And now I am out.

Lurking this game for next 2-3 days.

Lol, I quite literally said I have a fresh set of eyes on Titus, so fuck off with this misrepp(respecfully of course, keeping it all in game lol)

You are ignoring how flimsy I literally just said is on her and how much time we have left in the day.

Maybe you should kick the tires on other players instead of being all butt hurt that you can't get a Titus lim to go through.......if you are so worried about the last 30 pages being about nothing happening

what is the case you're seeing

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I literally do not know what you are trying to say here

I am not saying super-complicated stuff, at least before the comma
I was townreading Black and you're on your way to torching that read, brother.

I don't think this fits scum Drew behavior tho, going against the grain and the "general feeling" and all that buzz, nor do I feel like this is scum defending a partner. I feel as scum he would play it off more cool and be less confrontational to try to carry over as much of the townreads from Black onto him

I think this is just Drew being annoying, like a mosquito

nah if Drew is scum this is TMI-ing Titus town imo

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I literally do not know what you are trying to say here

I am not saying super-complicated stuff, at least before the comma
I was townreading Black and you're on your way to torching that read, brother.

I don't think this fits scum Drew behavior tho, going against the grain and the "general feeling" and all that buzz, nor do I feel like this is scum defending a partner. I feel as scum he would play it off more cool and be less confrontational to try to carry over as much of the townreads from Black onto him

I think this is just Drew being annoying, like a mosquito

nah if Drew is scum this is TMI-ing Titus town imo

if Titus flips town, yeah
im feeling a red flip atm

*finger guns*

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol re-asses

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Titus claiming cop is a scumclaim yeah

I was thinking that before I remembered the n0 is random

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I was thinking Kyouko would never choose to check me when she can read me fine without a check, but since the n0 is random that isn’t a valid point

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I was thinking Kyouko would never choose to check me when she can read me fine without a check, but since the n0 is random that isn’t a valid point

This is why Titus claiming cop here would be a scumclaim

what? I literally said that it isn’t since the n0 is random

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tf is that supposed to mean
I reacted like that because uP calling the entire game “inexperienced” is W I L D

[Gamma Emerald]

tf is that supposed to mean
I reacted like that because uP calling the entire game “inexperienced” is W I L D

Inexperienced as in this is the first time half the people here have ever done mass cop hypoing

Thought was the case, it just wasn’t perfectly clear

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i thought the point of mass hypoing d1 was to just random.org it because if you use your own judgement it can give the mafia information

Randoming has a25% chance to hit mafia and reveal yourself as not the cop
Going by judgement lets you mitigate that, generally town can ID at least one town well enough to claim an inno on them

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That’s why everyone waiting was suggested at the start I’m pretty sure

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do u have a sort on me and are u willing to vote dragon eater

Tenative town and I'd vote almost anyone

Who is scum on you/HT?

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do u have a sort on me and are u willing to vote dragon eater

Tenative town and I'd vote almost anyone

Who is scum on you/HT?

Honestly, it'd be a guess no better than random. Thread is moving so fast. The best I have is even split on both our wagons as I don't think Hu Tao is scum.

I mean it feels kinda hopeless that my n0 doesn't TR me but I don't pander so

Can you just hyperskim and give names, I am trying to let you play to your outs which is VCA, I get that you rely on flips but I think with the conclusions you’ve made it’s possible for you to figure something out.
UNVOTE:
Relieving the pressure

[Gamma Emerald]

Ari and yessiree would be my non guaranteed guesses as scum based on vcs. Normally, I'd think Gamma Emerald but Gamma Emerald is my n0

ah, thank you, that’s at least a start
Do you think there’s scum off-wagon?

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ill fight all wagons on yesman and ari to the death.

Who are you willing to wagon, then

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VOTE: Titus

would rather not lim DE here

Yeah this is scum.

I asked people earlier to refute my townread on uP’s early game, that request is still open since I don’t really see the scum agenda to uP’s current play, this just feels like knee jerk reactions

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I’m not feeling it wrt uP

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VOTE: Naerys
I feel like she is kinda glued to the sidelines and I think that’s scum-indicative

[Gamma Emerald]

night kill order:
python
drew
furtive
gob slot
many others
ari

U best be prepared

I appreciate you soaring me for so long, I promise to repsy you by not guiltying a single one of your teammates

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VOTE: dragoneater
I’m not fully sold on him flipping scum but I do think he’s at least informative since I think a lot of players had tangible interactions with or involving him

[Gamma Emerald]

How to solve the game:

1. Shoot Titus
   
2. Shoot everyone on the DE wagon

cringe

[Gamma Emerald]

Less cringe than voting me "for info"

Multiple suspects of mine had interactions I thought were non-SvS so you flipping scum heavily narrows my suspect pool

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…

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Oh I don’t believe it for a second ftr

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m the mafia

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I intend to check on gamma btw

Scumclaim

[Gamma Emerald]

Mind reminding me who your SRs are?

[Gamma Emerald]

Opinion on Python?

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AAAAAAAAUGH

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Yessir poking Titus for their n0 in 2501 is prob!town

Is it? I feel like scum poke each other like that for the sake of interaction all the time

Even in real-time it felt like the kind of post town makes to trip someone into a gotchya!

Like a weak attempt to catch Titus slipping on replacement but the “worth a shot” kind.

please tell me how yess catching Titus as not-the-cop advances town wincon

[Gamma Emerald]

alternatively rce is scum and fb ruled himself out but I wanna go here first

yeah either of those make sense
I would rather do RCE first just from prior reads

[Gamma Emerald]

mmhm

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Gamma respectfully I don’t want to interact much this day phase.

[Gamma Emerald]

I townread Hu Tao
I was going to claim her as my N1

[Gamma Emerald]

yess, naerys, RCE, Theta, FB
we should vote names in this pool exclusively for a bit imo

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I don’t trust the motives of your defense, I feel like you had already figured out he was cop and were just whiteknighting since you knew you’d kill him at night, plus the way you came in wanting to push those that voted him felt very agenda-driven

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VOTE: rce ok

Any reason u don’t want to talk to me

He’s being a grump, dw about it

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: rce ok

Any reason u don’t want to talk to me

He’s being a grump, dw about it

You aren't coy enough to speak openly to a buddy in game like that.

say sike right now

[Gamma Emerald]

Trying to distance now or what

What are you doing?

You should be happy I am voting you.

Pre Edit: Gamma, I am calling you town here lol

oh, hm

[Gamma Emerald]

wtf is aiyah

[Gamma Emerald]

(chiefly among Chinese speakers) used to express dismay, exasperation, or surprise.
"aiyah, you mustn't work so hard; you must find time for other things"

okay, I thought it was an abbreviation

[Gamma Emerald]

there is a snake slithering in the grass

VOTE: Enchant

I still think gob is town
He has a certain unfiltered quality as town imo, and I can probably show what I mean with a game link

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: RCE

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I think you're just not reading. I've scumread them since day 1

Who do you think is mafia other than us

Also still waiting on an answer to 2831

Ari might be scum. And yes, there is an issue. Cause your town read said I'm town yet you said you're still unsure. So seems like an excuse imo

[Gamma Emerald]

fb, yessiree, hu tao reads still need to cook but kinda where we're at right now.

ill serve u sick dish right now

only scum has townread me so far, everyone who sr me is probtown+

I want to see you crunch numbers on this

[Gamma Emerald]

But I’m getting off track, fb saying he didn’t die so I’m scum because he made me his n0 hypo claim is dumb. I can just be town with no agency in the nk. Or scum could have just decided de was more likely cop. Or FB has bad enough reads scum could have been ok letting him live a night. Which are all way likelier scenarios.

Which is the most likely to you?

[Gamma Emerald]

like the undertone of frustration I'm getting from you is that you

know

why the mafia shot dragoneater but you don't want to say it because it incriminates you and it certainly isn't what firebringer thinks

Probably a solid idea here

[Gamma Emerald]

Like we think the people pushing the "Scum knew who cop was" are wrong cause if you're not looking deep enough to rule out DE then your pool is too big to have only 1 cop even with people having wrong n0's and if you're looking deep enough to narrow the pool to 1 cop even with people having wrong n0's then you rule out DE from the anti-cop equity

I think any truly competent would know how to bluff not-a-cop as cop
Which makes me think your own work is lacking since I have the chops to probably pull that off

[Gamma Emerald]

I had dave as a TR D1, might review that sooner or later

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I saw some RCE posts that look weird if partnered with THS/dave

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh yeah 291 is very anti-partnered.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Bellaphant

I like this and I think you're town.

At this point, I think my Naerys scumread might have even eclipsed my Bella one tho. There's just so much less of a presence compared to the Large Multiball.

Join me here?

VOTE: Naerys

I agree w this

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh yeah 291 is very anti-partnered.

Oh yeah 291 is very anti-partnered.

kinda disagree but noted

Also disagree, kinda feel Gamma is saying thing to say things here.

If you wanna fight me then fight me

[Gamma Emerald]

Drew can die any time

[Gamma Emerald]

I tend to resonate with her thought process when she’s town, even if our reads don’t align

You are being vague here

I can see how she gets to the reads she has when she's town, I don't really get that feeling when she's scum
that's the best I got

This feels very squicky with Titus flipping scum, feels like Drew was trying to discredit me

[Gamma Emerald]

Drew can die any time

What motivation would I have to push you as scum?

There are more viable mislim options.

Are there though? Your recent posting feels like you’re reaching for suspects. That’s not even mentioning the fact that you had a townread on me very recently. So going into shading me is a rancid look.

[Gamma Emerald]

Trying to distance now or what

What are you doing?

You should be happy I am voting you.

Pre Edit: Gamma, I am calling you town here lol

I am going to get an aneurysm from the amount of brain fuckery that is being enacted upon me this game istg

[Gamma Emerald]

Trying to distance now or what

What are you doing?

You should be happy I am voting you.

Pre Edit: Gamma, I am calling you town here lol

I am going to get an aneurysm from the amount of brain fuckery that is being enacted upon me this game istg

If it wasn’t clear, this is me pointing out Drew very much did vocally TR me, and stating that I’m sick of people trying to muck with my mind in this manner

[Gamma Emerald]

On the other note, the fishing for suspects

Lol, this reminds me of scumFB after he was caught by me in Mafia Has A Cop

We haven't read that game, can you give a twitter length tl;dr on what the similarities were and if it was a Drew^TM read?

I tracked FB to Flavor, so he was caught scum there. But the only slight chance he had was to get angry and flail, and even lob some insults like he has done here.

Not an exact 1/1 scenario and reaction, but the general similar tones of both reactions is what sticks out to me the most.

I'm feelin the town Drew vibes, this is still a certified Drew^TM post tho

I think we're fine with locktowning Drew over this btw.

Drew normally has an element of tinfoil to his townplay that he tries to emulate in his scumgame but in those cases it tends to be him having a normal one until suddenly he realizes he needs to Drew it up and drops some crazy tinfoil to play to his meta. Here this feels like unstated tinfoil that people won't actually realize is tinfoil until it gets dug into, like very much natural instead of being played up

Also not sure of this is a TMI slip or not.

But color me wanting to maybe vote Python as well.

Can you explain how my scum and town game are different? Cause I disagree with your assessment.

I don’t fully trust Python but I don’t think Python should ever be voted out today. With limited exceptions, I would much rather we stick to the pool I posted earlier

[Gamma Emerald]

Gonna call Gamma town here so I can give her whiplash later lol

[Gamma Emerald]

*loads BFG*

ALRIGHT FuCKERS, I THINK IT’S HIGH TIME FOR A LESSON IN CuRRENT EVENTS.
THIS GOES OuT TO DREW, Hu TAO, YESSIREE, AND ANY OTHER TROLLCLOWNS WHO THINK TRYING TO MESS WITH MY HEAD IS IN ANY WAY A GOOD IDEA.

...

I guess my preferred lim pool for D1 is somewhere in CSS, Khaos, Drew, Naerys, or Chell. Maybe in that order.

From my earlier post, I kinda like any of these 5, maybe add Eira to that since he doesn't seem to want to make a case on anyone besides Gamma. I acknowledge that Khaos is a no info kill, but his response to being prodded and then seemingly bouncing out again is rubbing me the wrong way. Maybe we just elim him, let scum NK me and then you guys can pretend tomorrow is D1 of an 11 person mini or something. Maybe with some fun N0 night actions before it starts.

I honestly don't dislike a fair chunk of that pool
the only real hold-off I have is I want to give Chell some more time to cook

Chell

Naerys
Drew

Khaos
CCS

here's my general willingness to vote those 5 out from least to most willing

THIS WAS MY SCuM POOL FROM A RECENTLY COMPLETED 13 PERSON GAME. I SPECIFICALLY BRING uP THE NuMBER OF PLAYERS BECAuSE THAT HELPS SET A REFERENCE FOR HOW MANY SCuM WERE IN THE GAME. I ACTuALLY HAD ALL THE SCuM IN MY POE, HOWEVER DuE TO SOME PLAYERS OPTING TO ACT LIKE ABSOLuTE BuFFOONS, I ENDED uP LOSING TRACK OF MY SOLVE IN A FIT OF VITRIOL. I REPLACED OuT WHEN I FELT LIKE I COuLD NO LONGER SEE THE GAME THROuGH AN uNBIASED LENS.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CHuCKLEFuCKS THINK IT’S SMART OR FuNNY TO RILE ME uP: I END uP LOSING THE PLOT ON A POTENTIALLY GAME-WINNING SOLVE.

ALSO, DREW PuSHED ME FOR TRASH LOGIC IN THAT GAME TOO SO HE SHOuLD REALLY RE-EVALuATE HIS METRICS FOR READING ME, BECAuSE THEY HONESTLY SuCK.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not trying to mess with your head

It's just normal banter

I'll stop if it affects u this much geez

some people just kinda need a certain vibe in order to play the game well

i mean if you have not noticed i tend not to be the joke or banter sort of person myself

I can handle some banter but when it verges on bullying it stops being funny
not saying that’s anyone’s intent, that’s just how it sometimes feels

[Gamma Emerald]

True ig, but he’s not here

[Gamma Emerald]

zzzz

[Gamma Emerald]

I am indicating that your Naerys defense is weaksauce

[Gamma Emerald]

I stand by my opinion that Dragon´s push was an attempt to distract from Titus wagon.
Actually one of those that keeps pushing me, might be scum. They are always trying to get rid of me this way. I swear one day what scum considers to be LHF will bite their butt.
So furtive/gamma deserves to be looked into. Bcz i will never believe that one of those is genuine in pushing me.

mmmmmmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, can people just play a game of mafia with the understanding people might vote them, and not freak out every time it happens?

As long as people keep townreading AtE it'll keep on happening

Solution: policy any AtE until it stops happening

sigma mindset: keep encouraging AtE behavior for a free scumtell when they can't replicate the same kind of emotion as scum

I have actually had to ask 2 separate people NOT to do that because I don’t want my games to be tainted because players have such skill issues that they can’t sort me on my base play and instead have tried reading me from my emotional reactions.

[Gamma Emerald]

ok but I wasn't talking about you nor have I factored any AtE in reading u this game

Thank you for this

[Gamma Emerald]

bloop

[Gamma Emerald]

…. I’m townreading all the people that are townreading my scumreads. Which seems like an issue for after de flips.

Why DE specifically?

De and gamma were my biggest scumreads. So being wrong on DE!scum probably meant I was wrong on Gamma!scum and my reads were partly shaped by how those two were interacting with other slots.

The biggest thing that jumps out at me top of the head is DE pushing back on how I was defending yessir. Seeing that out of (Fmpov) scum!DE just reinforced my read there. When the reality is that it shouldn’t have.

hm

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, is your RCE scumread mainly due to his handling of your emotional content or is there something more to it?
If I'm wrong on my townread there it would be good to talk through our thought processes, but it's less useful to do that if there isn't other stuff you're seeing.

There was an issue I had early on that is the core of the read rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I was thiiiiiiis close to townreading gamma.

Suuuuuure
Mind telling me what your full read list is? Since you were “so close” to overturning it, there must have been a lot of work done.

Was this ever answered? Idr

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, is your RCE scumread mainly due to his handling of your emotional content or is there something more to it?
If I'm wrong on my townread there it would be good to talk through our thought processes, but it's less useful to do that if there isn't other stuff you're seeing.

There was an issue I had early on that is the core of the read rn

Btw the early issue could probably be best expressed as a slippery approach to providing thoughts I’m seeing from RCE

[Gamma Emerald]

Towncore: Python/Meuh/Enchant? (gob slot)/Gamma/Drew? (Want to revisit this once the next red flip happens)/Hu Tao/Firebringer?

I think that's probably close to a full solve

[Gamma Emerald]

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[Gamma Emerald]

@Alisae/Ausuka can we get a combined mod ISO?

[Gamma Emerald]

I find it odd that Titus + Naerys landed on voting Hu Tao for the same reason completely independently
logical brain says that is probtown for Naerys since “scum wouldn’t huddle up like that” but I don’t know how valid that is

[Gamma Emerald]

Towncore: Python/Meuh/Enchant? (gob slot)/Gamma/Drew? (Want to revisit this once the next red flip happens)/Hu Tao/Firebringer?

I think that's probably close to a full solve

and if you had to replace firebringer on that list who would be in that position

this feels like a post scum!you would make?

[Gamma Emerald]

that is fair enough

we do not need to have a completely established towncore yet
that would just give scum a list of targets
though for tonight well
they already have someone that is not getting eliminated ever

If a PoE is truly sound there should be no fear of “giving scum targets”
On another note I like to try to expand my PoE work by the number of scum I feel like could have infiltrated my TRs, since that’s an issue I have and that’s my form of adaptation.

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess that’s fair
But I have a vague memory of something similar being posted by you in BTXVII

[Gamma Emerald]

@Hu Tao

could you please actually do things?

[Gamma Emerald]

@dave

do you have other reasons to SR furtive besides him not voting Titus? I have gotten miseliminated for not voting obvscum out because I had a personal reservation so that point holds little water imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not really trying to suggest that’s a correct thought, just saying I was in your position once presuming you are town

[Gamma Emerald]

i had a recent game with theta where she was scum. I would like people who are neutral or town leaning (not hard townreading. U people are too biased for me to want to talk to right now)

And tell me if uthink this game is similar.

K? Firebringer homework assignment

post the link?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ah it was the next post
yeah I made an allusion to that earlier

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to know your solve if you have one

[Gamma Emerald]

other people have given their solves, it’s not as weird as you seem to want to make it

[Gamma Emerald]

What is your opinion on Naerys, HT?

[Gamma Emerald]

lulw

[Gamma Emerald]

If i am in charge, game is officially circus

VOTE: Furtive

I don’t hate this vote but I prefer other options

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't have any trouble understanding it.

If you are saying they are correct, wouldn't you be saying they are town?

If you are in fact town yourself.

*You being python, not you(**you here being Dave, not python)

You don’t seem to get it, this is a thing I’ve encountered and been tripped up by before. Scum will often say things that are theoretically sound in place of actually towntelling because it is easier. So if a player says lot of things the seem logical but the townvibes just aren’t happening, that’s a sign of scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?t=91890
Just read his ISO in this game

[Gamma Emerald]

idk, his attitude? I think there was a sharp different in how he acted in the one scum game of his I’ve really paid mind to

[Gamma Emerald]

idk I’m not good with words most of the time
Just compare the damn ISOs

[Gamma Emerald]

Me doing that thing as conf town where I feel my posting has to be high quality so I barely post in wait for a perfect time to post where my mindspace is perfect and I can very effectively solve??? Couldn't ever happen!!!
I will medium quality post instead to break this habit

MOOD

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk how to feel about Titus tbh
Meh i feel like its bit unfair voting her, since she had irl issues

Titus i suppose you have last few hours to defend urself

Intent

Could you wait couple of hours?

If Titus claims cop we hammer

And if its true claim and you just limmed a cop? Then we just yeet you next, does it sound like a fair deal?

It doesnt look like Titus is going to defend herself anymore
I suppose Bella can hammer

VOTE: Titus
Someone hmmer,thx

Is this partnered? Someone comment

I think she is

[Gamma Emerald]

ive never seen high quality posting from conf town so i don't know how either of u would feel that compulsion. If anything conftown just makes everyone a lazy player.

I didn't mean that as a solely-when-conftown thing, I just relate to the perfectionism

[Gamma Emerald]

Shouldnt we give titus atleast chance to defend? Idk where are you all rushing

Actually the stance around Titus of being like "don't rush it, let's give her a chance, etc." while her wagon is building up without a strong stance is kind of ???
Feels like the way scum posture around their partners to give them a boost, where they act charitably towards them but in a way that's disconnected from the actual player and more related to a general approach to the game
So that after their partner flip they go "I was just being charitable and I like giving players a chance to talk, you know?"

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: naerys
always down for this

[Gamma Emerald]

this is my first time playing with Naerys and honestly i said this 20 or so pages ago but i was like if naerys is scum this is embarassing scum game with how lazy she is being.

if this is naerys' scum game there's def room for improvement but I don't see that as anything to be ashamed of, I had difficulties playing scum early on. I froze a LOT, and Infinity 324 caught onto that fact.

[Gamma Emerald]

if we're killing slots for hampering the Titus wagon momentum I'd probably want to kill Theta first

[Gamma Emerald]

^^Speaking of Nae, not Dave

Pre Edit: If I am correct, as of a few games ago Nae said they have never rolled scum.....hmmm

I think I made a similar post after I replaced into open 891/while open 893 was ongoing, that's not a valid argument

[Gamma Emerald]

not specifically in those games mind. The point is until naerys

flips

scum in a game, she has to make that sort of post without fail.

[Gamma Emerald]

I believe Theta when says she was going to hammer Theta. But i guess you can argue putting a timeline on voting is a tactic to encourage second guessing voting. I doubt Theta thinks like this.

This doesn't discount theta scum imo. Theta could 100% be scum and wanted to hammer. But i don't think theta was trying to weaken the titus wagon.

I'm mainly thinking of when Theta was arguing against the wagon while the slot was mid-replacement. People were legitimately suspecting kyouko's posts, if people want to just axe the slot and save a replacement the trouble of entering a doomed position, that's fine imo

[Gamma Emerald]

^^Speaking of Nae, not Dave

Pre Edit: If I am correct, as of a few games ago Nae said they have never rolled scum.....hmmm

I think I made a similar post after I replaced into open 891/while open 893 was ongoing, that's not a valid argument

What post do you mean?

Maybe I wasn't clear but I just remembered that and that made me question my somewhat town read on them

Pre Edit: Have you kept reading my read on Nae, Meuh?

okay, I don't get how you got from point a to point b but it's not that important to me rn

[Gamma Emerald]

can we just remove meuh conftown status and give it to ari, then have her do all the leading in this game.

I am down for overthrowing Meuh in a heartbeat.

pls no i am bad at leading

I bow to our new Queen

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

I support the naerys vote because I forgot she was a player earlier on and that’s stuck with me especially since others have expressed similar feelings

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma I am going to need you to effort more here

???

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d rather flip a slot I’m more confident on but furtive is fine ig

[Gamma Emerald]

Who would you prefer?

I posted a list earlier
I would like to have a day to re-assess if wrong on someone, voting outside my main suspects does very little to facilitate that especially if it’s a townflip
So a good scumcase would sway me from my current position, in fact

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah gamma hasn't been confident on anything lately or pushed anything. Its kind of annoying how detached she is from the game and not putting effort.

the whole ??? when I asked for effort was weird to me because I think its clear gamma doesn't have head in the game.

I’m in a bit of a “other things are more fun” funk
As a result I think once my current games conclude I’m gonna go back to the shadows

[Gamma Emerald]

Naerys dropped 2446 then 27 minutes later Titus posts in Mini Normal 2317 then 87 minutes after that Naerys makes the freeze read in 2447

you’re making sense, I don’t like it
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Who would you prefer?

Do you have any independent reads?

Does scum!Dave make this post?

idk but it’s a kinda bad post imo
I don’t see how that sort of thing is called for in that scenario?

[Gamma Emerald]

blegh
As I said, I would like her to make/restate the case for why furtive is scum. That seems like the most productive option

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm it looks like everyone on my wagon is 1) openly apathetic and 2) openly looking for a counterwagon to the only conftown's push.

It's hard to say whose involvement is the most egregious. I think I'll go for 'Lord of Darkness' RCEnigma. Calling me passive this game is such blinding hypocrisy, it has to be scum, right?

The thing is I don't know whether it's better to vote him or to just get on Naerys in the aim of 'playing optimally'.

Meuh, could you vote RC? Or give a shortlist of players you could vote? Or just tell me if you're set on Naerys and I'll sheep it.

>:/

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven't updated with any votes since the last time I posted a list like this. 2746 is end of d1. Excel is pretty powerful if enough time to load the data falls in your lap.

Spoiler: gamma votes

120 gamma furtive 1
143 gamma python 1
184 gamma yes 11
588 gamma titus 153
646 gamma unvote 21
1512 gamma yes 3
1597 gamma titus 4
1603 gamma unvote 6
1778 gamma hutao 3
1905 gamma unvote 37
1999 gamma titus 33
2086 gamma hutao 6
2211 gamma titus 14
2529 gamma unvote 6
2559 gamma naerys 30
2634 gamma dragon 7
2746 reset yeet 69
2948 gamma rce 29

Yup, that's a lot of votes. Might even be worth poking into how well supported they are, or not.

-_-
one sec

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?t=91890
I remember Titus having a problem with my voting pattern in this game, but I was town

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?t=91890
I remember Titus having a problem with my voting pattern in this game, but I was town

i dont get how this is any useful in figuring out ur alignment this game without any provided context

"you are wrong to push me for this thing im doing -> I did the same thing in that other game and I was town"
i dont like this line of thinking at all
the circumstances between games are completely different, and how people viewed ur behavior in other games is irrelevant to how you could be sorted here

[Gamma Emerald]

idk that analysis makes me feel its more likely that Hua Tao could have been bussing and Titus wanted to make it look like a T/S

Titus (6) Hu Tao, Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia, DragonEater70

This being all town just seems crazy to me

i'm a clear (to myself specifically)
meuh is a clear
DE was cop
you

ari and yessiree are only plausible scum, including me, however i will make my alignment obvious. can you give me your reads on them? as well as elaborate wrt bussing meta on this site (question also applies to you @usesPython)

Your predecessor was pretty towny ftr (tho I did end up in the beef zone with them)

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are we voting python? I've just iso-ed them and like....I disagree with like 80% of their reads but they look solvey and engaged and would scum really have so many bad takes.

If the leading wagons have been ht, Titus and python then I think they've all been on town.

Gamma's town. De is still town.

The wagons yesterday were just really bad.

Aside from the titus wagon

[Gamma Emerald]

Meuh’s tier list is pretty good
I will aim to do a re-read of the game at some point, hopefully I can do what I did back in radio buzz and utilize “aim assist” by way of colored posts for certain players where the alignment is locked in

[Gamma Emerald]

alright aim assist works as it should so I will try to do my re-read soonish

[Gamma Emerald]

nope it's broken now ;-;

[Gamma Emerald]

got it working again for now, just read thru page 5 to get myself actually started

[Gamma Emerald]

Everyon on yes sir is mafia

I'm betting you everyone on yess is town.

Okay I'm actually not sure about Naerys, she could be scum in a town!yess world, but the rest are def town.

dragon might've been cooking with this: on my re-read I ended up pinning a post by Naerys as town when it scumpinged me prior. I also still feel good about Black's posts looking at them a second time.

[Gamma Emerald]

a couple pages later I'm seeing bad posting by naerys, but Dragon did say that was where the scum on the yess wagon would be so that's okay

[Gamma Emerald]

Greetings, THS.

why did you single out THS with a greeting?

[Gamma Emerald]

end of page 18 update: I'm still kinda sitting with similar reads, where I feel like Naerys, yess, and RCE are possible scum, but I'm also seeing some anti-associatives I didn't see before in that trio. furtive posting is bothering more than it did initially. Black is closing in on solidly town

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not really gonna read anything past D1 with aim-assist on (altho for ease of access the aim-assist will stay enabled)
plus, the only way I'd consider your posting obvtown is if I roll with the idea that town!you is hot garbo at reading me

[Gamma Emerald]

not really, that's a post that's just weird imo. assuming you mean 272 when you say that

[Gamma Emerald]

*sigh*
not pleased about that being your answer but it's not pivotal to my opinion on you so I can let it slide this time (specifying this because I flipped my lid at a player for basically using "I can't remember reads I don't have anymore" as more-or-less cover from suspicion in a past game)

[Gamma Emerald]

to clarify: if there was a past read someone had that I was questioning and their reasoning for not being able to answer to it was "I never recall reads once I've moved on from them", I would find that problematic, because that means it's impossible to gain additional context on those dropped reads. As such it leaves me with having to form a conclusion without the data I was in search of when asking the question.

[Gamma Emerald]

I literally said what it was in the previous post
If you keep being obtuse I’m going to want to kill you for that alone

[Gamma Emerald]

V OTECOUNT 2.8
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
furtiveglance (3)	Enchant, Bellaphant, RCEnigma
Naerys (2)	Aristeia, Firebringer
davesaz (2)	Doctor Drew, usesPython
yessiree (2)	Theta Alpine, furtiveglance
RCEnigma (1)	Naerys
Theta Alpine (1)	yessiree
Firebringer (1)	davesaz
NOT VOTING: Gamma Emerald, Meuh, John Wayne
With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2024-01-07 01:23:17)
Notes: Firebringer is on V/LA until 1/5

I currently have no issues about any of the people who are getting votes getting votes