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Vote your scum buddy with me Clap-
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I would like to roll scum with black one day-
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I don’t really like hydraing but maybe one day I’ll change my mind-
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why didn’t you vote klickIn post 185, Claptastik wrote:
It's not that. You're tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and you're omgussy. Would give examples but I'm on my phone.In post 139, Black wrote:On what basis? Do you actually think I was fishing for a townread? The townread was already implied...how does it benefit me to get him to say it if I'm scum?
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Black what do you think i look for to read you-
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I am not going to explain my original klick read or push specifically to piss Dragons off-
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but i think klick is more likely to be town now for *reasons*
currently think claptastic is the most likely slot to flip scum
maybe followed by neko but that’s a less defined read
Basically i think clap’s catchup and jump on Black was way over justified and more focused on looking townie than anything else-
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I think Black is more likely to be town right now. I dont have a lock read yet but im confident i can get a very confident read there given enough time
I have an extremely good record of reading Black and if people can find me as town it would be cool if people trusted that
Dragon I believe it’s obvious he wants to catch scum!black and will do so by tunneling her regardless of her alignment so he can say he caught her-
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Black i would prefer you voted for clap-
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I think klick is approaching this in a way that doesn’t optically make him look very good
Clap intentionally is-
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I also think Dragon is town, his reasons for pushing you are bad but that doesnt mean he is scumIn post 323, Black wrote:
???In post 316, Klick wrote:
I agree with zero of the reasons but I don't think that means you're townIn post 313, Black wrote:Klick's townplay is generally very good and I'm legitimately shocked he agrees with some of the reasons being presented against me, so I think it's more likely he's just scum going along with the easy counterwagon
So you see people casing me for like 10 reasons that you don't agree with and you have no reaction to it at all?-
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I think it’s reasonable for klick to want to pressure you
He doesn’t have to think you are lock scum like dragon to want to put pressure on you to sort you-
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right doesnt that look opticLly bad?In post 327, Black wrote: I just think it seems really convenient to hop on my wagon despite not agreeing with any of the reasons why I could be scum
like why not invent his own unique overjustified case?
oh wait that was claptastic who did that-
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kawaii is just asking a lot of nothing questions and kind of commentating the game
i don't super feel they are invested in finding scum-
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do either of you specifically town read kawaii or do you just believe that isn't a reason to scum read them-
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In post 373, Claptastik wrote: @dannfor
This post implies I'm going to come back with a detailed case on black when I'm at my computer. Why was it scummy of me to do so?In post 185, Claptastik wrote: It's not that. You're tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and you're omgussy.Would give examples but I'm on my phone.
I'm assuming this regards klick putting out town reads at the same time as black. I've shown that black's were indeed weak and rebuttable, while klick's were signficantly stronger. I've also explained how I relate those facts to alignment. What do you think of all that?In post 196, Claptastik wrote:
Because I only have one vote.In post 191, Dannflor wrote:
why didn’t you vote klickIn post 185, Claptastik wrote:
It's not that. You're tossing out weak, rebuttable town reads and you're omgussy. Would give examples but I'm on my phone.In post 139, Black wrote:On what basis? Do you actually think I was fishing for a townread? The townread was already implied...how does it benefit me to get him to say it if I'm scum?
i don't believe i said 185 specifically was scummy, but i do think you seemed overly anxious to have bulletproof and unique reasons to be scum reading black
like you said enough in 185, and then i find your followup in 243 to be more about the performance than anything else.
like i don't think you read all the posts you highlighted and have these thoughts. i think you wanted to scum read black and then reinforced that with 243 afterwards
that's something town sometimes too but it comes from scum an awful lot of the time that want to make their reads seem more real, and more importantly, bulletproof to argue against-
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VOTE: claptastik
i think klick/claptastik is still my top 360 no-scope pick for a scum team actually
i don't really think claptastik has towned it up at all and i think it's very ??? to say the back and forth with Black is town indicative for both of them. I think Black leans town but the argument itself very much leans towards the type of pointless arguments that scum love to participate in because it gives them free content. I don't understand why Klick thinks its town indicative for both of them.
I also don't really think it makes sense for Claptastik to think I'm townier than fakegod or kawaii
368 is a weird hedgey post on me that kind just fearmongers me without outright pushing me-
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I don't know with Klick I like instantly felt that something was off about how he was posting
he did later say that he was trying to incorporate elements of poker or something into his gameplay which i thought maybe explained the difference and he was intentionally trying to play more reserved
but idk at this point i am leaning back towards klick mimicking his town game as opposed to actually being town.-
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I am not going to be able to explain this in a very satisfactory way for many people because a lot of it is just vibes
but for instance the tvt read on Black vs. Claptastik feels convenient, not actually the read i would expect klick to have, and more passive and observational than actually trying to convince either of these two players of that opinion
this might be unfair because maybe klick's reads are actually better than mine and I'm expecting him to have my own wrong reads, but idk how else to explain this
vibes are off with 504 too
it feels performative and like klick is trying to replicate a stream of consciousness style thought and read
i dunno this read is less strong than my claptastik read and i might cool off of it when i come back to the thread but at a gut level that's where I'm at right now-
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remember my read on blackstarIn post 540, Black wrote:In post 538, Dannflor wrote: think klick/claptastik is still my top 360 no-scope pick for a scum team actually
This is hard to believe considering you townread him for *reasons* and tried to dismantle his wagonIn post 539, Dannflor wrote: I don't know with Klick I like instantly felt that something was off about how he was posting-
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i think fakegod has a certain self-righteousness this game that i want to town read-
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i don't feel as confident in my read on klickIn post 547, Black wrote: Why are you voting Clap over Klick when it seems pretty obvious that there is a bigger appetite for a Klick wagon
i think clap flips scum a lot of the time
i think there are some people on this playerlist who might be likely to follow me onto the wagon of my choosing-
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there's also an element of I think Klick is a great town player and he could be having an off game or i could be having an off game but if I give him time I'll be able to find him as town
i think there's a certain threshold of time where if I still couldn't find him as town i would be more comfortable limming him-
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I am oscillating between fakegod having performative scummy outrage or self-righteous towny outrage tbh-
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and yes black i realize i am playing into your dann/klick pet theory by being hedgey and uncomittal about him-
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i just want to quote this again to say i have a deep primal distaste for this postIn post 368, Claptastik wrote:
Problem is that someone with that join date and post count could very well be town, and could very well have good reads. And they're difficult to lim. It's a type that's good for investigatives to check.In post 363, NekoLover wrote: yea tbh I don't like dann simply because he won't explain his train of thought-
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is there a reason you linked a scum game of mine besides to show off that you’ve been metaing peopleIn post 559, Claptastik wrote:
I'm town. You're projecting because it's something in your own scum bag of tricks. For example:In post 536, Dannflor wrote: i don't believe i said 185 specifically was scummy, but i do think you seemed overly anxious to have bulletproof and unique reasons to be scum reading black
like you said enough in 185, and then i find your followup in 243 to be more about the performance than anything else.
like i don't think you read all the posts you highlighted and have these thoughts. i think you wanted to scum read black and then reinforced that with 243 afterwards
that's something town sometimes too but it comes from scum an awful lot of the time that want to make their reads seem more real, and more importantly, bulletproof to argue against
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I'm town. You should look elsewhere.
Currently I have black, neko, de70, and you north of null
skygazer null
fakegod, kawaii - scum pool
I guess I doubt it's this easy, but it sure seems like it is.-
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who said anything about your inactivityIn post 582, DragonEater70 wrote:
YuckIn post 580, Dannflor wrote: Maybe dragon is scum
My inactivity is NAI bruh-
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I think Black is slightly less likely to want to pick a fight with me as scumIn post 589, Klick wrote: Here is something that is bothering me Dann
I think Black's expressed paranoia of the two of us looks rather towny
I also think that positioning to want either you or me out today is exactly what Black would want to be doing if she were scum here
Can you help me alleviate my cognitive dissonance there, because I both see Black!town and think this is too good for Black!scum
I think the fact that Black has not been pushing this as her main POV of the game but rather a side/conspiracy/pocket read is towny, it's a little more nuanced than I'd expect-
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i don't think scum teams think this way generallyIn post 595, Klick wrote:In post 579, DragonEater70 wrote: Meh
I promise I'll read everything that transpired since my fight with Black at SOME point, but I am not sure it will be today because like Black I also got a job recently and have less time for mafia during the day.
And I already have plans for this evening.
I am still anti-voting Klick and will continue to do so until I see a good case against him (which I haven't seen yet. 504 is a pretty NAI post).
Also if Klick is Dann's partner we should vote Dann.
I don't see who Dragon is scum with in this scenario thoughIn post 580, Dannflor wrote: Maybe dragon is scum
Like in a vacuum I can see why 579 looks scummy. But most variations of scum!Dragon should be pretty satisfied with the game narrative and not have a huge reason to draw attention peddling the Klick/Dann theory
If it were like Dragon/FakeGod, then I'm not sure why Dragon is putting pressure on us just as FakeGod has removed his vote on me. It's discordant
It's weird from a Dragon/Clap team as well
I could maaaaybe see Dragon/Kawaii coordinating in this way?-
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you don't know what my thought process isIn post 596, DragonEater70 wrote: Do you think that Dann's read here comes from town? I can't see what thought process would lead him there.
is your claim that i could never scum read you here as town-
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klick posting made me feel less bad about him-
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it's incorrect and a little boneheaded but that kind of suits the character you're playing this gameIn post 612, DragonEater70 wrote: Is it?-
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my primary concern with you dragon is that i wonder if you are more concerned with looking like you're brash and self-confident than you are in actually finding scum-
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do you wanna talk about why you are so sure-
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I have already explained my read extensively-
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In post 539, Dannflor wrote: I don't know with Klick I like instantly felt that something was off about how he was posting
he did later say that he was trying to incorporate elements of poker or something into his gameplay which i thought maybe explained the difference and he was intentionally trying to play more reserved
but idk at this point i am leaning back towards klick mimicking his town game as opposed to actually being town.In post 542, Dannflor wrote: I am not going to be able to explain this in a very satisfactory way for many people because a lot of it is just vibes
but for instance the tvt read on Black vs. Claptastik feels convenient, not actually the read i would expect klick to have, and more passive and observational than actually trying to convince either of these two players of that opinion
this might be unfair because maybe klick's reads are actually better than mine and I'm expecting him to have my own wrong reads, but idk how else to explain this
vibes are off with 504 too
it feels performative and like klick is trying to replicate a stream of consciousness style thought and read
i dunno this read is less strong than my claptastik read and i might cool off of it when i come back to the thread but at a gut level that's where I'm at right nowIn post 553, Dannflor wrote: there's also an element of I think Klick is a great town player and he could be having an off game or i could be having an off game but if I give him time I'll be able to find him as town
i think there's a certain threshold of time where if I still couldn't find him as town i would be more comfortable limming himIn post 609, Dannflor wrote: klick posting made me feel less bad about him-
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i thought klick had started intentionally playing more reserved and was not playing to get town read, which made me think he was townIn post 623, DragonEater70 wrote:
This? Then I don't get what made you go "oh klick is town for *reasons*"In post 539, Dannflor wrote: I don't know with Klick I like instantly felt that something was off about how he was posting
he did later say that he was trying to incorporate elements of poker or something into his gameplay which i thought maybe explained the difference and he was intentionally trying to play more reserved
but idk at this point i am leaning back towards klick mimicking his town game as opposed to actually being town.-
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i didn't explain forever mostly just because i was annoyed by your posting and wanted to annoy you back
i am very mature-
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do you have recent thoughts on claptastik-
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i think it's interesting that fakegod stopped pushing his counterwagon, and is not pushing anyone at all now
kinda feels unintuitive if he's scum-
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I am feeling like I have a decent amount of town reads that I feel somewhat comfortable in but my feelings about who is scum are increasingly fuzzy
Black's reasons for townreading Claptastik are fine - but idk that they do a lot for me. without any prior experience with Clap I am kind of assuming that he is someone who will do meta research and use that within game regardless of alignment.
if [black, dragon, klick] are town
that leaves [nekolover, fakegod, kawaiikeme, skygazer, claptastik]
of that group i feel best about skygazer and worst about kawaiikeme/claptastik
nekolover and fakegod i am having an extremely hard time sorting-
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i keep coming back to how strange of a post 577 is-
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that wagon can easily be all town
i reject the premise that because a wagon builds quickly that makes it more likely for scum to be on it-
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my gut instinct about neko is that new scum often use the "idk what's going on i have no reads" as a shield, however, i feel that neko is different because there seems to be some genuine frustration around not getting a bead on anyone. that is, it seems more like a genuinely difficult situation for neko to be in and not just a convenient position to take up.-
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maybe i should just let klick write my posts for me-
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cases are for convincing people of a gut scum read, they aren't actually the reasons for a scum read-
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I want to lean towards town just because like, he's kind of playing to lose if he's scum?
not pushing any counter wagons,
devotes his time to a random town case on Black
seems generally stubborn and self-righteous
idk I've misread those types of qualities before as scum I suppose but it doesn't *feel* right to me.-
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it's also like pretty devastating to lose scum D1 in most variations of this setup so i'd be expecting him to be a bit more survivalistic i suppose
granted now that I've said that it's not really a great metric to read people by-
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also there's no one ( i guess besides me now ) that is outright defending fakegod
it feels like he's a miselim but also one scum might not necessarily want to get their hands dirty with?
i just ctrl + f'd fakegod in Kawaii's ISO and kawaii has like... a very very soft town read on the slot, maybe? it feels yucky to me-
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ig i think claptastik/kawaii is the solve rnow in my heart of hearts-
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