Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[Bellaphant]

I get a day zero pass because a bunch of you are 'my newbies '.

I've drunk the koolaid because I too will miss FB.

[Bellaphant]

I think I understand about 20% of what you whippersnappers are saying.

In my head, black is the gen z me.

[Bellaphant]

How old is black really?

I read the last few pages and I basically tr everyone, which is an issue.

[Bellaphant]

Dragon, Ari and rce specifically

[Bellaphant]

Id never refuse you.

Lol, you aren't even much younger than me. Do you even count as gen z?

[Bellaphant]

I dunno how I feel about python and gamma

[Bellaphant]

I have read like 50% of this game but I haven't liked any posts from yessiree.

Can someone give me the tldr?

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: yess
.sorry, I am having a shit week and can't keep up but I've skim read and am basically sleeping dragon, plus the last time I engaged with this thread yess was my only SR.

P-edit I thought theta was fairly town.

[Bellaphant]

Do you think they can't be scum together or?

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

I'm gonna pretend like I just subbed in. I'm ridiculously behind

Yess, I'm here! Bounce down thoughts of me

[Bellaphant]

Why are we voting python? I've just iso-ed them and like....I disagree with like 80% of their reads but they look solvey and engaged and would scum really have so many bad takes.

If the leading wagons have been ht, Titus and python then I think they've all been on town.

Gamma's town. De is still town.

[Bellaphant]

20% of my posts are page tops.

Also, I genuinely thought I'd posted more than this: I've read more than it looks like.

[Bellaphant]

No, I tend to find town more easy than scum, especially day one. That is helpful later though.

I thought theta was town about 50 pages ago, I'd have to iso them, I haven't had town pings from what I've read from Ari

[Bellaphant]

I've had a skin through titus iso and I don't see the stuff I normally do. I'm happy to hammer. I had no read on her pre at all

[Bellaphant]

Intent

[Bellaphant]

I think rce becomes more readable over time.

I can wait until tonight @nearys

[Bellaphant]

Gamma's my n0 btw

[Bellaphant]

I'll give her til my bedtime.

De is right I think?

[Bellaphant]

My page top stats looking epic

[Bellaphant]

@python, are you sure? Like, I feel okayish at reading half of this playlist? And then getting a result on someone you can't read is surely better?

[Bellaphant]

Bedtime Is in half an hour, are people generally happy for me to hammer?

[Bellaphant]

Bedtime Is in half an hour, are people generally happy for me to hammer?

[Bellaphant]

Why?

[Bellaphant]

Why?

Not reading

Defending Titus while not reading

Being dismissive towards people who were pushing for Titus

I didn't feel much about drew, I'll relook. I'm hung up on dragons '2 town 2 scum' thing right now

[Bellaphant]

That isn't the arguement though? The argument is how FB has approached a particular slot with no info they are town .

I think we can kinda clear drew and gamma based off of kyko?

[Bellaphant]

But what do I know: I still wanna wagon sirree 'for info'!

[Bellaphant]

Tbf furtive's random push on me should be looked at again: firstly, it's super common for scum to see me as lhf day one, but also furtive should know they are shit at reading me. Like, it's /such/ a weird move

[Bellaphant]

furtive should know they are shit at reading me.

Based on which games?

Mainly the weird one that was split over the three threads? But I'm sure there are others. Also, do you wanna like engage on your read on me?

[Bellaphant]

Ari is a fine lim.

[Bellaphant]

@furtive, you seem to be sr me for....mentioning people? And scum reading yessiree. Also, how do you know gamma and python are t v t?

[Bellaphant]

Cool, me too. But I didn't then. I can't read abrasiveness at all. It always makes me go ????

Anything else you wanna chat about. You don't seem to wanna sort me

[Bellaphant]

@furtive, can you expand on enchant/gob and FB for me? I can usually tell town enchant but this game maybe isn't his thing, And I find FB hard to read

[Bellaphant]

My reads are like:
Meuh, Python, Gamma, Drew
Ari, furtive, Hua Tao, Naeyrs
Bella, yessiree
Davesaz
RCE
Theta

Your second tier is like....all null -scum to me? Although I might be wrong about Ari. Can you give me more of the naerys read?

And I really think theta is town.

[Bellaphant]

I am working! I'm no good at shit posting or fighting, I gotta chat to peeps. People have vaguely sorted me as null without chatting to me, which is a zero help for my read on them (or their read on me, if you wanna talk about people putting the work in)

It's mainly the nearys read I want to chat about, because In the thread I'm just getting bad vibes and in iso I'm not seeing anything I like. So I thought I'd ask someone with a different approach and a different take.

[Bellaphant]

i had a recent game with theta where she was scum. I would like people who are neutral or town leaning (not hard townreading. U people are too biased for me to want to talk to right now)

And tell me if uthink this game is similar.

K? Firebringer homework assignment

What are we looking for?

You did my homework so I'll do yours!

I feel like theta is more focused here? I can see why you read the stream of consciousness thing they did in booneytoonx, looks like poetry in places, but it feels more commentary than engaging, which isnt what I see here?

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: yessiree

If Ari is town then this is what I what to do. Rce becomes more readable over time and I'm not compelled by anyone voting them.

[Bellaphant]

Titus (9) Meuh, Hu Tao, davesaz, usesPython, Naerys, yessiree, RCEnigma, Aristeia, DragonEater70

I know this is obvious but the idea that no scum bussed here is impossible imo.
Dragon and Meuh are town.

Python is town by play.
Not considering Aristeia right now

I still leaning pretty good on Hua Tao as town but i want to look at interactions with Titus in a bit.
They could be scum distancing if im going conspiracy mode they had a few posts at each other of just voting each other.

Yessirre, RCEnigma, Naerys, Davesaz
Would be shocked if there isn't two scum in here.

My closest thing to a TR in this group is rce

[Bellaphant]

Do we believe that we wagoned two scum correctly day one tho?

Hi mueh! How can I help you feel more chill?

[Bellaphant]

It's the wine meuh. Do you have questions for me?

[Bellaphant]

What FB said about the bus kind of lines up with my reads: there's scum in Dave, nearys and yess. Yess has been my top SR since about page ten and nothing has changed it: I re read nearys and like...I got nothing, especially considering the post count as you said.

Fintoil it's FB and Ari bits that is a really specific world and I don't think it's ours.

Theta, furtive, gamma, python are solid town for me. I never tr furtive though so maybe I am drunk

[Bellaphant]

I'm super null on Dr drew: other games I've found then as town but it's taken a while.

[Bellaphant]

Just re read blacks iso and it's prob town?

[Bellaphant]

I low-key dislike that yess got to what, four votes and we have a counter wagon. Again

[Bellaphant]

The Titus thing was weird for me because I didn't see tons of reasons to sr her: but then I looked at her iso and realised that she wasn't town telling and I'm pretty confident at finding town Titus. What nearys is doing with her could be low balling as scum, or just someone not as used to Titus genuinely wanting to give a 'good' player benefit of the doubt..

@nearys , had you played much with Titus before,?

[Bellaphant]

We started together in a mini normal but I replaced out. I had you as town pretty early on: in fact my Initial reads were surprisingly good!

[Bellaphant]

I've just gone and skimmed her iso and it looks nothing like town!Titus in that game: the difference between her day play and her posting post game is really clear and she even alludes to 'being carried' by gob and fl.

I don't see why you'd lie about her 'playing well', but I'm
:s again now

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear enough: Titus looks the same here and there to me.

But if she hasn't played with town!Titus, then I can maybe see it? As I said first, Titus wasn't 'obv scum ' here, but didn't town tell (to me)

[Bellaphant]

I think we are agreeing, I'm just not sure I've got anything out of this line of Inquiry!

[Bellaphant]

I think Dave is agreeing wit you?

[Bellaphant]

I think the counterwagons deserve way more scrutiny than trying to call giving someone time for RL derailing a wagon and then bussing when time was up.

Can you expand on this

[Bellaphant]

I can't read FB for shit and I'm starting to think naerys is town, but I do agree that Titus was bussed in some capacity. I don't really have a strong read on you at all, but I think I've found you difficult to read before.

What did you mean by counter wagons? Apart from yessiree I think most of the wagons yesterday were on town.

[Bellaphant]

I think people piling on Ney last night is super Sus.

[Bellaphant]

What FB said about the bus kind of lines up with my reads: there's scum in Dave, nearys and yess. Yess has been my top SR since about page ten and nothing has changed it

Are you a theta clone?

How is possible that ur read on me hasn't changed since page 10

Can I also point out how bad this is? It doesn't even make sense: some people do have reads that don't change massively, including sr. In a few games this year I've had day one sr be correct, that's not like....unheard of for other people at all either.

The question isn't even a question. If we want to sort out each other, surely you'd ask me why, about other reads, about...well, anything.

[Bellaphant]

The open me and black just finished, for example: bbmolla replaced in, I straight away said 'this is exactly what you were like in the newbie when you were scum ' I called him scum for three days, I powered his lim, he was scum.

I'm not blowing my own trumpet, I'm just baffled that that was the response

[Bellaphant]

V OTECOUNT 1.13
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (6)	Meuh, Hu Tao, davesaz, usesPython, yessiree, Naerys
DragonEater70 (5)	Firebringer, Titus, Aristeia, Gamma Emerald, yessiree
usesPython (2)	gob, RCEnigma
yessiree (1)	Theta Alpine
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
Firebringer (1)	DragonEater70
NOT VOTING: Bellaphant, Doctor Drew
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

This? Yeah this sure is a weird wagon.

[Bellaphant]

hmmm

on the one hand i think firebringer is scum
on the other hand that is actually a pretty good case

yess could be angry town here sure
but could also be scum that is annoyed the argument against them boils down to
they are doing the correct plays but just do not seem to vibe town

@yess, it isn't even a case really, it's just...this. do you wanna link me a town and scum game? It's not that I'm confident reading you, so like fair, I'll put the work in, I just am trying to be more confident generally in trusting those early reads for....personal reasons.


You did mention the bussing thing though, which iirc came from FB. Do you wanna talk to me more about that?

[Bellaphant]

hmmm

on the one hand i think firebringer is scum
on the other hand that is actually a pretty good case

yess could be angry town here sure
but could also be scum that is annoyed the argument against them boils down to
they are doing the correct plays but just do not seem to vibe town

@yess, it isn't even a case really, it's just...this. do you wanna link me a town and scum game? It's not that I'm confident reading you, so like fair, I'll put the work in, I just am trying to be more confident generally in trusting those early reads for....personal reasons.


You did mention the bussing thing though, which iirc came from FB. Do you wanna talk to me more about that?

@yessiree

[Bellaphant]

Bella what is with the new avi

She's Skye! I took the klickiphants to the cinema to see it yesterday.

[Bellaphant]

I will read the games tonight, but I just want to be clear that the other sussy thing is votes and cw: I do believe Titus was bussed (and If I was scum with both of you I'd rather keep you alive), you were on the dragon wagon, and it seems super hard to actually get votes on you:: we start wagonning you and like five votes popped up for nearys instantly - I guess this is something you could give your thoughts on

[Bellaphant]

(and If I was scum with both of you I'd rather keep you alive)

also why would scum keep me alive over Titus if we were all scum together?

Because titus was doing basically nothing and pretty much no one townread her whereas you were like actually doing stuff

(Not saying you're scum here that's just the reason to bus titus over 90% of the playerlist yesterday)

I don't think I've ever been this deep in someone's pocket.

But yes. Like, scum would obviously chose you (or anyone) over Titus, plus the cred that comes with it

[Bellaphant]

I will read the games tonight, but I just want to be clear that the other sussy thing is votes and cw: I do believe Titus was bussed (and If I was scum with both of you I'd rather keep you alive), you were on the dragon wagon, and it seems super hard to actually get votes on you:: we start wagonning you and like five votes popped up for nearys instantly - I guess this is something you could give your thoughts on

this is a super weird question to ask me here? wouldn't this be something you should comment on if you think you're pushing scum!me and my teammates are coming to my defense by voting counter wagons?

The simple answer to this is just that there was never any compelling scum case me so people aren't inclined to join? cause i dunno what else to tell you, I think you're just hyper focused on my wagons since you're the one championing it? iirc the events that happened today - people were already pushing Naerys (Gamme)/RCE early today but there was only a wagon on RCE, and when Mueh came back there was a burst of activity, the wagon on RCE dissolved so the new votes just kinda happened to coincide between Naerys and me

I never voted on any of my counter wagons today because they don't align with my gamestate read, the only counter wagon i hopped on was Titus but that was yesterday

Sorry, I guess I wanted more thoughts about nearys and rce and maybe Dave: people who have been counters to you. Like rce just said, the wagons today all feel /weird/ and I was trying to see if you'd picked up on that.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: further glance

Following my new lord and saviour

I read yessiree's games and the vibes were totally different in each. The charisma he had in his town game was faked to the point of slight knobbery in his scum one. Might read through a wider sample at some point

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: furtive glance!

[Bellaphant]

Who would you prefer?

[Bellaphant]

Tons, can you read, or do you save that energy for pointless digs?

[Bellaphant]

I’d rather flip a slot I’m more confident on but furtive is fine ig

@Gamma I am going to need you to effort more here

???

I support the naerys vote because I forgot she was a player earlier on and that’s stuck with me especially since others have expressed similar feelings

can we just remove meuh conftown status and give it to ari, then have her do all the leading in this game.

I am down for overthrowing Meuh in a heartbeat.

pls no i am bad at leading

I bow to our new Queen

Heaven forbid I try to engage someone who's last five posts have been this.

[Bellaphant]

I'm not sure why Python voted me, they've taken up similar positions to me for most of the game (especially recently).

We're bored and voting literally anyone in our POE, this day is taking forever

This.

@furtive, I did say I was drunk though!! It's also pretty clear that I don't think nearys is scum and the wagon on her is sketch. I'm honestly not that hard to read.

[Bellaphant]

Who would you prefer?

Do you have any independent reads?

Does scum!Dave make this post?

[Bellaphant]

That's less rhetorical than it looks as a question

[Bellaphant]

If Bellaphant has scumreads, then vote them rather than asking others who they prefer.

I did! Not sure why the issue is with my vote specifically rather than enchants or pythons, but whatever.

With furtive specifically, he isn't approaching me in good faith. Neither are you: you see my pint about gamma, FB agrees, you ignore it in order to continue to shade me. It's also just ....weak, because are you really implying that it's scummy, that I can't fake reads as scum?

Compare for example how you and furtive have discussed me compared to rce, Ney and yessiree.
Furtive: Bella's just scum because?? But I won't engage and sort her
You: Bella's scum because she's....talking to people?
Rce: Bella might be town but I tr her too easily, I'm gonna leave this to others
Yessiree: I disagree with Bella's takes. Oh, I could see this being a legit thought process really
Ney; Bella.doesnr have a ton of content but I can see solve motivation

Which ones look like genuine, thought out takes to you?

Also, I'm less convinced about the votes on Titus meaning as much as we thought, as people were trying to give her a break for RL. I am still convinced that votes on the counter wagons are scummy. I CBA to check right now but furtive deffo had some weird votes last day phase (as did Dave, I hadn't realised he'd voted me yesterday??)

[Bellaphant]

It's shocking to me that you are putting such store in the Ney case.

Rce is doing fine.

[Bellaphant]

Your list of posts where you randomly sr me when I'm not here doesn't really match up with you only engaging wit the people who are hyper fixated on you.

The 3 thread game is the one that stands out to me because I was so obvious town in it and you still got it wrong.

[Bellaphant]

I just re-read that newbie and it rings very little bells, I was so ill! I did say I was fairly sure I was replacing into a scum slot though, which is fun.

[Bellaphant]

If Bellaphant has scumreads, then vote them rather than asking others who they prefer.

I did! Not sure why the issue is with my vote specifically rather than enchants or pythons, but whatever.

With furtive specifically, he isn't approaching me in good faith. Neither are you: you see my pint about gamma, FB agrees, you ignore it in order to continue to shade me. It's also just ....weak, because are you really implying that it's scummy, that I can't fake reads as scum?

Compare for example how you and furtive have discussed me compared to rce, Ney and yessiree.
Furtive: Bella's just scum because?? But I won't engage and sort her
You: Bella's scum because she's....talking to people?
Rce: Bella might be town but I tr her too easily, I'm gonna leave this to others
Yessiree: I disagree with Bella's takes. Oh, I could see this being a legit thought process really
Ney; Bella.doesnr have a ton of content but I can see solve motivation

Which ones look like genuine, thought out takes to you?

Also, I'm less convinced about the votes on Titus meaning as much as we thought, as people were trying to give her a break for RL. I am still convinced that votes on the counter wagons are scummy. I CBA to check right now but furtive deffo had some weird votes last day phase (as did Dave, I hadn't realised he'd voted me yesterday??)

In absolute honesty, I don't

remember

a single thing you've said before this post. I am someone who plays primarily by memory.
I have to go back and read to know what your stances are.
Even when I do go back to read, I don't see the

why

of most of the things you're saying.

This sounds like a you problem.

Ask me questions if you want.

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, you first babe.

[Bellaphant]

V OTECOUNT 1.7
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (7)	Hu Tao, Meuh, davesaz, Firebringer, Black, yessiree, Aristeia
yessiree (5)	Naerys, Theta Alpine, DragonEater70, Bellaphant, usesPython
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
Firebringer (1)	gob
Hu Tao (1)	Titus
usesPython (1)	RCEnigma
NOT VOTING: Gamma Emerald
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: I have seized control of the game in a coup d'etat. When Alisae is no longer sick they will return to their rightful place. Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

V OTECOUNT 1.8
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (5)	Hu Tao, Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia
Hu Tao (4)	Titus, Naerys, usesPython, Gamma Emerald
davesaz (2)	DragonEater70, RCEnigma
Firebringer (2)	gob, Black
yessiree (2)	Theta Alpine, Bellaphant
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
Gamma Emerald (1)	davesaz
NOT VOTING:
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: I have seized control of the game in a coup d'etat. When Alisae is no longer sick they will return to their rightful place. Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice! Searching for a replacement for Black.

V OTECOUNT 1.10
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (6)	Hu Tao, Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia, DragonEater70
Hu Tao (4)	Titus, Naerys, usesPython, Gamma Emerald
yessiree (1)	Theta Alpine
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
davesaz (1)	RCEnigma
Firebringer (1)	gob
NOT VOTING: davesaz, Doctor Drew, Bellaphant
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: I'm back & recovered! Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

V OTECOUNT 1.13
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (6)	Meuh, Hu Tao, davesaz, usesPython, yessiree, Naerys
DragonEater70 (5)	Firebringer, Titus, Aristeia, Gamma Emerald, yessiree
usesPython (2)	gob, RCEnigma
yessiree (1)	Theta Alpine
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
Firebringer (1)	DragonEater70
NOT VOTING: Bellaphant, Doctor Drew
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

It's probably because of what Dave said about people's votes moving on and off but I'm surprised by how gamma's vote moved around day one.

[Bellaphant]

Furtive's vote sitting on me for 1000 posts is sure useful

I tr the first yessiree wagon way more than I do the first Titus one!

These aren't helpful thoughts.

[Bellaphant]

....gobs iso is surprisingly bad. Huh. Considering this was going on at the same time as me, gob and black were in elo, it looks very different

[Bellaphant]

His read on Titus changes every time he mentions her for a good chunk of the later half of the day?

[Bellaphant]

He was town in the Elo and was really ... Rigid throughout. I dunno, the read flips look a bit reactive? I'm not an expert either but it reads very different to the open we were just in, whereas black could conceivably be in her sr on a good day. Hmmmm, I'm surprised

[Bellaphant]

Go to bed!

[Bellaphant]

Why are we voting python? I've just iso-ed them and like....I disagree with like 80% of their reads but they look solvey and engaged and would scum really have so many bad takes.

If the leading wagons have been ht, Titus and python then I think they've all been on town.

Gamma's town. De is still town.

The wagons yesterday were just really bad.

[Bellaphant]

I don't remember a single thing Ari has said, FB. The only other person in that category was hu tao.

[Bellaphant]

I've just read pyp from about 18 months ago and it was nothing like this from Ari.

[Bellaphant]

Why are slots tring Ari? I've got very little

[Bellaphant]

Everyon on yes sir is mafia

I'm betting you everyone on yess is town.

Okay I'm actually not sure about Naerys, she could be scum in a town!yess world, but the rest are def town.

dragon might've been cooking with this: on my re-read I ended up pinning a post by Naerys as town when it scumpinged me prior. I also still feel good about Black's posts looking at them a second time.

I said this a few pages back!

If you get a sec, can we touch base? I've lost my read on you today and I feel like you've made a few unhappy faces at my takes.

[Bellaphant]

@gamma, most things in the last few days! Or maybe they aren't wholly directed at me.

[Bellaphant]

Bella do you actually believe I'm mafia?

I don't believe you are town. I think about other slots and I'm like 'python can see into my brain but it's weird I'm in his Poe considering we seem to think alike ', FB '???' gamma 'really town day one, bad star to day two, takes now are better but a bit sleepy', theta 'town but I want more ' and then I get to you and I can't think of a single impression you've made.

It's a bit of a shit Poe read but I don't think rce is scum, I'm not sold on nearys, I think Dave could /possibly/ be doing good things, and is furtive just too scummy to be scum?

[Bellaphant]

I feel like your sr haven't evolved much from day one, you tr me way too easily and the most recognisable you've been as 'town!ari' is when you were getting into it with dragon! Tbf your day two start was fairly good but like it's a bell curve

It doesn't help that a lot of your content is in response to FB, who I'm like ????? On

P-edit cool, I wasn't aiming for shade or even to imply I was that worried, It is just in my brain. I think also at some point I read your pronoun as a collective agreement to a thing I said which in hindsight it probably wasn't.

[Bellaphant]

That last sentence is clunky, I hope my meaning is clear and not offensive

[Bellaphant]

I feel like if we flip yess/rce/Ari/furtive we get a scum but that feels like bad odds?

[Bellaphant]

The other thing in my head is 'who feels different to yesterday ' but it's probably nai as like boo, they lost a scum but yay they killed the pr.

[Bellaphant]

Id like to vote but am not sure of the vc

[Bellaphant]

^

[Bellaphant]

shoulda flashwagoned furt smh

This. He's solved the least this phase.

[Bellaphant]

Ugh, I hate that a) I feel like that kill framed Dave and b) I just wanna vote yessiree again.

These are both level zero takes.

[Bellaphant]

Considering we've had like....three lots of resistance to the yes wagon, that's where I'd focus

[Bellaphant]

i mean at least if ur going to go down the route of talking about resistance how about talking about the individuals who are resisting it. Tell me what you think yessiree scum flip means for them at least. Then I can at least see the story fleshed out.

Instead i get a conspiracy cabal of scum are creating the resistance to stop the wagon on yessiree. Therefore he is also scum.

It can't be just the simple fact town are hesistant to do X. And that means almost nothing

Do you know what's weird? Dave said the same thing about the rce wagon and you didn't comment on that.

I'm not even saying he's 'got to be scum ' or conf biasing: I was actually fairly open to him being closer to his town meta. But his end of day was bad and the fact that there is resistance is interesting, if nothing else. Both him and rce the other wagons have popped up: I've forgotten the order the wagons happened in but wagonging dragon (town) and python (my top tr yesterday) and then furtive being the elim yesterday is noteworthy, at least?

It's weird that you wanna shut this down and just trash me. I'm not the one having an un- nuanced take.

[Bellaphant]

Do u actually think resistance means much because ill tell u when im scum trying to garner resistance on a wagon is not easy to do organically. It has to be done by town and then u can try to cheer it on and support the resistance.

Skill issue

Even here you are like....it could happen, here's how, but .....,??? I don't think you are looking at this like someone actually interested in working out what's happening

[Bellaphant]

Instead i get a conspiracy cabal of scum are creating the resistance to stop the wagon on yessiree. Therefore he is also scum.

I think the bigger issue isn't that she's saying he's mafia because of resistance to the wagon, she's pointing to the resistance being an issue without knowing what his flip is yet

I'm literally pointing out something that I feel is noteworthy.

If the implication here is I know what his flip would be, why would I be even saying things?

[Bellaphant]

Ugh, I hate that a) I feel like that kill framed Dave and b) I just wanna vote yessiree again.

These are both level zero takes.

why would the kill frame Dave/You ?

I thought Gamma thought Yess/RCE was mafia and she was pushing Yess p hard at end of yesterday

thoughts after page 32

ride or die: Gamma, Meuh, uP, John Wayne, enchant, Drew
in the back seat: theta, FB
check your rear-view mirror: dave, Bella, Ari
hit the brakes: furtive, Naerys
crashing and burning: Yess, RCE

HURT: yessiree, RCEnigma
HEAL: firebringer

VOTE: yessiree

thoughts after page 32

ride or die: Gamma, Meuh, uP, John Wayne, enchant, Drew
in the back seat: theta, FB
check your rear-view mirror: dave, Bella, Ari
hit the brakes: furtive, Naerys
crashing and burning: Yess, RCE

HURT: yessiree, RCEnigma
HEAL: firebringer

VOTE: yessiree

I didn't mention me? Weird.

The Dave thing is because it felt like Dave was starting to pressure gamma, for example around her votes.

[Bellaphant]

I /wasn't/ tunneled for a big part of yesterday though, I guess is the thing that I'm annoyed about. Id accepted I was probably wrong and then something /weird/ happened again.

Does that make sense?

I don't know whether I'm inordinately swayed by Dave looking 'reasonable' in places that you see as vague.

[Bellaphant]

^

[Bellaphant]

Again, Ari, why tho?

@fb, the fact that we've counted wagonned town suggests it's a bigger benefit to scum tho.

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, it's gonna be a tomorrow thing, the vcs aren't as frequent as they could be so it's gonna be annoying.

[Bellaphant]

I feel like Ari is scum reading me? Tbf I'm staring to think ari is just scum.

[Bellaphant]

That's not what's happening? I find us talking to each other frustrating because you seem to include stuff that isn't there and I can't work out if it's agenda based or real. The fact I can't tell how you read me feels concerning but I don't know if it's a problem you want to fix. I feel like you've made a few 'pop shots ' at me in your questions but then not much follow up.

[Bellaphant]

That doesn't help me talk to you.

And rce

[Bellaphant]

Have you got many first impression reads? I don't know how much reading you've done. I need to go and look back at the wagons yesterday as my homework!

[Bellaphant]

Ok, but if yessiree flips town then a) we are down a down and b) I still can't read you!

[Bellaphant]

Yes voted rce yesterday but not much around them before.

[Bellaphant]

Yess voting for rce where he did looks nai.

[Bellaphant]

It looked like my whole wagon + gamma jumped to furtive after I thought I was hammered.

That's not true? It's FB and Ari, unless I'm being thick

[Bellaphant]

You ain't getting rid of me that easy!

[Bellaphant]

Sleeping yessiree onto enchant was not how I thought today was gonna go...

[Bellaphant]

@danflor, talk me through the Ari read?

[Bellaphant]

Ths scum read gob and Ari, huh

[Bellaphant]

Ths scum read gob and Ari, huh

Bella I need more words than this

Oh, so now you wanna talk to me? (Joking, kinda)

I honestly hadn't looked at ths's iso before and I was more interested in the gob read than the Ari read TBF. Not much stood out in it party from those though

[Bellaphant]

I caught Titus, anyone tells you different they're exaggerating.

Can you link me to this? Because like, if that's the reason people are tr-ing you then I'm not impressed.


Ari looked really town on the last page. The thing is my reads are like....I tr uses python and then there's a few slots where in like 'i don't have enough jnfoy' (like theta, my tr on that slot has tanked), and then there are a few slots where I feel super conflicted (Ari, FB, yess) and then....everyone else. Oh, and gob. I don't think that slot is town at all.

Which is not a reads list.

The nearys slot is probably town?

[Bellaphant]

@fb,, how am I interacting with you? Maybe you can tell me how I'm reading you

[Bellaphant]

Fair.

I thought that John Wayne was briefly townie but that's a slot I could elim.

Also, Dr drew, do you really sr me? Why?

The issue is that I feel I read ten pages and come away with confusion about ari and FB, I still think python is town, someone lik Dr drew posts a few fairly bland takes, Dave or rce makes a post about vote counts and I don't come away feeling anything /new/.

The only /new/ thing today is yess might be town and enchant could be scum.

[Bellaphant]

Yessiree did do some solving and Ari freaked out, while saying it was him panicking, though

[Bellaphant]

Is Dave being pointlessly knobbish ai for him?

[Bellaphant]

His random outburst at me feels weird as scum, but then I look at rhe way he interacts with me and I get the same vibe as FB is: does this dude sr me or not? Id also missed that he voted for me day one, which ?

He later mentions not remembering a single thing I say, which is weird for someone who's felt strongly enough to vote me?

[Bellaphant]

John Wayne, enchant or Dave would be fine, I did just say this.

[Bellaphant]

I can already tell you aren't gonna like how I answer.

[Bellaphant]

I just explained why? And TBF, FB is saying basically the same thing.

[Bellaphant]

Here's my answer anyway

Probably the 'correct' vote is John Wayne. His predecessor was below null, he had a burst of posting and then fizzled out, and it would clear up some wagon stuff.

I feel like the Dave flip doesn't get us as much information, but is /slightly/ more likely to flip scum


Enchant is my personal preference but that seems to be different to....public opinion? I am only going on my game with gob that just finished but he's night and day.

[Bellaphant]

The thing is, if you /are/ town, and FB is town, and python is town, and even more controversially for me yessiree is town, then we should be sitting pretty. But I can't communicate with you at all.

P-edit enchant has done fuck all. I can sometimes read enchants fuck all as townie, but apart from like one page about a week ago I got both

[Bellaphant]

Nothing, not both

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: enchant

[Bellaphant]

Mueh, ht, Ari and gamma voted for nearys on some pretty bad reasoning. Considering that's confirmed town and flipped town, I'd eat my hat if one of Ari/the ht slot wasn't scum.

[Bellaphant]

Because the case was bullshit, Ari, frankly. Do you disagree?

[Bellaphant]

Youbare telling me that scum get the chance to sheep conf!town onto lhf that other people had fairly low down their reads list and every one of them said nah, not today?

[Bellaphant]

About the flash wagon on nearys. It was bad.

[Bellaphant]

The one where mueh made her case and you, gamma and hu tau voted for her in like thirty minutes.

[Bellaphant]

Naerys has 142 posts??????

It starts here, then a few more posts in her iso, and then down come the votes.

Also, both you and Dave have....forgotten voting your SRS?

[Bellaphant]

Meuh made a pretty bad case on nearys.

Mueh, you, gamma and hu tao voted for her basically in reaction.

I don't think four town and no scum look at the shit case and vote.

Considering one of the four is conf town and the other is flipped town, I'd really struggle to see that scum wouldn't jump on the opportunity to get an elim through (I will check who was actually being wagoned at the time as well)

Thereofor, I feel more Sus of you and Hu. Considering I was fine voting for both of you anyway, I may be conf!biased but I think the flash wagon is at least worth discussing.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: John Wayne

[Bellaphant]

Ari, that's an awful lot of words to exceptionally miss the point.

The thing I don't like about the case is that it lacks depth and everyone was... fine with that?

In fact, I think I'm the only person who went on the ask ney about her meta, her experience with Titus, etc., and it was her responses to that that made me doubt my sr: she wasnt trying to convince me of her take, even when I flat out disagreed with what she was saying about Titus's recent scum game - it felt like she was just stating her truth.

So of course the votes on look more opportunistic. Town, to Me, want to understand what's going on. It's what I'm not seeing in our interactions - you don't want to understand, you just wanna argue. You did the same to yessiree.


When I made my points about yess, although he started off being really 'wtf is this ' he later came back to 'meh, it's bad but I can why town would see this and think what Bella's thinking ' that thought process of 'can I see why someone would do that'. It's what I try to do as town so I tr it more naturally.

[Bellaphant]

Because some people were, legitimately, giving Titus space around her RL, and some scum were bussing, it makes interactions before the flip really frustrating to draw conclusions from. It's why I've given more credence to people talking about actual votes, because it's an action.

[Bellaphant]

I expect you to go 'hey, it's not unreasonable that Bella thinks that four people flash wagonning someone without any apparent critical thought or engagement is a bit sus'.

It's not about being informed. This is what I said earlier to you: you keep adding in random stuff that feels really agenda led that isn't anything to do with the conversation. It stresses me out because I can't tell if you are mafia madly deflecting, or just blinkered town, or just massively defensive for??

It feels like it did with yessiree, that anything that looks like vaguely critical of you, you just kick off about. It's just a normal part of mafia and also the process of sorting people.

[Bellaphant]

John feels like maybe her only controversial read? Like, that was kind the 'established tb' and then, maybe Dave and theta being that high?

About gammas reads, I'd rather do rce than Dave today.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: r ce

[Bellaphant]

@mod, could we update the op with the replacements?

[Bellaphant]

I was coming to say that I think lemon could be a good vote but if I vote, I've got two auto hammers. I could do theta but I don't think it's a very info driven lim

[Bellaphant]

That was my reaction to end of day. Picking up the 'find me as town' thing was town 99/100

[Bellaphant]

I think we add enchant to that lim pool and it's auto win.

I'm town but I think it would clear a bunch up.

[Bellaphant]

Hilariously, that's all basically conf!town now!

[Bellaphant]

FB isn't a now problem at all

[Bellaphant]

I think Ari is spot on. Python's 180 on me is super bad. Also, Dave missed the fact that I offered to hammer both lemon and Titus? Me being hesitant with a hammer is not ai for me, before anyone starts, but it isn't scummy.

[Bellaphant]

I don't tr enchant, drew, Dave or theta. Out of those, drew and Dave are probably playstyle reasons.

[Bellaphant]

I do think drew could be doing 'better' but that's very abstract

[Bellaphant]

It also feels townie from FB because the vibe not having an angle is exactly what I thought in the Titus convo with her.

[Bellaphant]

See, I find edge lords hard, sorry fb, but bad boys like yessiree, well, yessiree!

[Bellaphant]

Yo, catching up

[Bellaphant]

Wow, I kinda expected my reads to change more. Bingle's town, I think I ended up tr-ing drew slightly in that mess, I would be the most happy voting theta or enchant. If there's a deep wolf it's python but meh?

[Bellaphant]

Why are we not voting enchant? I have no feelings on enchant but that didn't look like town gob

[Bellaphant]

I'm probably going to vote theta but I am unsure about the make up of the wagons

[Bellaphant]

Dave just doesn't like me, it's not even massively scummy for him.

[Bellaphant]

No i mean you offered to vote me, then didn't vote me.

What point

A bunch of people told me that they tr gob, I was kinda hoping they'd chime in.

@people who tr gob, give me the elevator pitch?

[Bellaphant]

Dave, just leave me the fuck alone, ok?

[Bellaphant]

Sorry, catching up

[Bellaphant]

I'm begining to feel like FB is white knighting me.

I mean, he's right, I am being a flake, but Dave is absolutely killing my motivation to be here. But, as someone mentioned, his play is pretty terrible as scum.

[Bellaphant]

Or is he? Shouting about me being scum is a boring and safe way to no have any interaction with any one else