Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[Firebringer]

I don’t read you anymore, you just eventually die.

This contradicts later statements but was something I noticed re-reading. I want to know if RCEnigma is just reading me based on events around me rather than me directly.

That isn't the arguement though? The argument is how FB has approached a particular slot with no info they are town .

I think we can kinda clear drew and gamma based off of kyko?

Ehh I had suspicion on FB just on the fact that the first half of the day was well within scumrange. That and I can 100% see a world where Titus saw the writing on the wall knowing they didn’t have the time to flip the perception on their slot and telling fb to take credit with a hard push.

I’m not on that anymore, but it was a world I could see.

The first part says was reading me but never stated it. Could be just holding back reads I guess not voicing them but the scumread of me was new in the day. Not scummy in of itself its just reframing that I can see a townie doing tbh.

I was frustrated with fb because I think they can be town with poor reasoning. I think you can be scum riding the wave.

Not to mention his theory about the back half of the wagon containing scum and then ignoring the context of what was happening with the wagons in regard to Titus and DE. There is 0 point for me to push back on to Titus who would be my partner in this scenario, to get pressure off of someone that not only have I been scumreading all game day but was also scumreading me.

Especially if FB is town, I could easily just pile on with FB switching wagons because it’s natural for me to just scumcase the guy I’m already scumreading.

I think the way this is stated is townie? I don't think if you see RCEnigma postion and say he would just be more consistent that would likely be a better way to go but this goes against how I already see his push in general, in other words it wasn't strong to begin with. But if he is self reflecting on his own actions as town he wouldn't be as self aware of his actions possibly.

Scum probably had a better bead on DE as coo. Or at least was the strongest in their pool of likely cops.

I just don't see this.

Idk if I buy FB leading the wagon on DE just to shoot them in the night. That’s more of a scum framing thing.

I mean if i thought DE was cop I would either shoot him or if i thought i could mislim him keep him alive. The way this is phrased should mean that RCE thinks Theta is scummy for suggesting it? I might be misreading later says Theta is fine.

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I think town Titus tries to make a case on someone, and scum Titus doesn't do that preferring to go along with something.
I've been virtually voting Titus all along, and saying we can use the time until enough people don't want to.

VOTE: Titus

I think this is such an easy buss move by Davesaz here. States a relatively weak reason for saying ohh yeah Titus is scum. Doesn't heavy push it but just goes along with it. Later says was confident on Titus scum but had some hesitancy due to RL.

Also the later posts by Davesaz has him doing VCA analysis and I am getting nothing for what Davesaz sees in these vote counts. Its a lot of noise. Not alot of what these votes mean, its distracting imo

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Titus (9) Meuh, Hu Tao, davesaz, usesPython, Naerys, yessiree, RCEnigma, Aristeia, DragonEater70

I know this is obvious but the idea that no scum bussed here is impossible imo.
Dragon and Meuh are town.

Python is town by play.
Not considering Aristeia right now

I still leaning pretty good on Hua Tao as town but i want to look at interactions with Titus in a bit.
They could be scum distancing if im going conspiracy mode they had a few posts at each other of just voting each other.

Yessirre, RCEnigma, Naerys, Davesaz
Would be shocked if there isn't two scum in here.

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VOTE: yessiree

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I mean i think its pretty clear that yessiree was voting Titus out of survivalism...

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davesaz was voting gamma for stealing a pagetop or something. it was a joke vote

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i doubt heavily that scum were off wagon because there was actually little interest in pushing alternatives once Titus was near elimination.

Like unless you think its me and ari. Which I think you are voting ari but are you saying its me too?

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ive never seen high quality posting from conf town so i don't know how either of u would feel that compulsion. If anything conftown just makes everyone a lazy player.

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fireB + docDrew + one of {furtive, Bella}

final answer, imma lock this in

this was ur last solve from what i looked at for solve

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ive never seen high quality posting from conf town so i don't know how either of u would feel that compulsion. If anything conftown just makes everyone a lazy player.

I feel the weight of the world on me when I'm conf town but I guess I'm just a very proactive townie who likes to help her team...

helping ur own team is overrated.

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I refuse to buss Naerys. Meuh smells

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so rude

well she does!

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meuh does that question ever help u sort anyone

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I refuse to buss Naerys. Meuh smells

Wow.................

I am sorry, I have authority issues where I don't like that everyone wants to sheep u when u haven't done anything for a long time. I think its lazy of everyone and I am not that convinced on Naerys beyond sort of agreeing with u that way she acted around Titus wagon was a bit sussy.

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If ari is having a good day she is town
If she is having a bad day, she is being bullied by me in the scum pt.

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I guess she could be having a good day because she is ignoring my bullying in the scum pt.
Maybe this question isn't useful

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this is my first time playing with Naerys and honestly i said this 20 or so pages ago but i was like if naerys is scum this is embarassing scum game with how lazy she is being.

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my low iq take is that Naerys is too relaxed low effort to be scum. That has been my stance since like mid day yesterday. I don't know Naerys but if this is her scum game I am very disappointed in her.

None of her stances seem like she is playing to some crowd. She doesn't seem to want to angle anything. She is just doing her own thing with the lowest of effort possible. Its like a mix of go with the flow and posting her random (not really) takes and then everyone ignores because its got no substance to them.

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What agenda exists beyond the push against the dragon eater wagon?

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davesaz did the same thing

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I believe Theta when says she was going to hammer Theta. But i guess you can argue putting a timeline on voting is a tactic to encourage second guessing voting. I doubt Theta thinks like this.

This doesn't discount theta scum imo. Theta could 100% be scum and wanted to hammer. But i don't think theta was trying to weaken the titus wagon.

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Not convinced I should even be shept (sheeped?) at the moment (at least in terms of getting a lim, but I suppose more pressure for a wagon is good)
I'm more trying to get my footing right now!!
Ari are you town, btw?

ofc

Okay i am convinced the question has merit for sorting.

Ari is definitely scum

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not really but thanks for asking

im sorry, ill be nicer

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Drew isn't scum

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can we just remove meuh conftown status and give it to ari, then have her do all the leading in this game.

I am down for overthrowing Meuh in a heartbeat.

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pls no i am bad at leading

they say what makes a good leader is one that doesn't want the job.
ur hired

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Can most of yall stop arguing in bad faith?

When I point out everyone who was giving Titus space because of RL issues, I am not saying ur scum for it.

For one I pointed out to Davesaz that ur vote and reason looks like a possible buss. You unvoting her for RL stuff is NAI but still conveniant if ur scum trying to defuse the wagon. Yall trying to make some moral argument of "ohh i would do that for anyone. I am just a good boy/girl" is so ridiculous.

Sure you might, who cares the central argument is your vote was bussing and you leaving it was opportunity to stop the push. Stop strawmanning the arguments against you, and engage with the meat of why your vote/pressure wasn't bussing cause thats the key component.

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Also if you agree that scum were trying to diffuse the wagon on Titus @Davesaz to the point ur saying the CW needs scrutiny. You unvoting is diffusing the wagon as much as me pushing a counter.

Instead of also saying we need more scrutiny on the CW. How about you actually go into who is scum for it and why? Go into my posts for example if you think I both (A) was hard bussing Titus then (B) got cold feat so I counterwagoned.

Make the arguments.

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UNVOTE:
I'd be back on Titus but don't want to flirt with a lim while she's AFK. That isn't an infinite thing but 7 days isn't crunch yet.

It's really tempting to go inquisition mode on Hu Tao. I think it's definitely in her scum range to have this be a something new as scum.

Like this is asking for a counterwagon on Hu Tao at the time of unvote. You just didn't place a vote there and my argument for this being scummy could just as easily be that you were feeling out a counter to Hua Toa but didn't want to be seen as scummy for immediately pressing hard for a counter wagon. Like you are suggesting I am scummy for doing with DE

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i think his case is that bella is scum. Or being lazy. I can't completely tell tbh

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I didn't vote u for mayor tho

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I am so glad we overthrew you

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i really want a davesaz wagon to happen but i don't know if its because i legit feel super strongly on him begin scum or the way he argued really triggered me.

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davesaz
Black n0. scum queen thing felt uncomfortable but I can see how confident town player can pull it off

Gamma Emerald Both meta and gameplay feel town
Meuh mostly vibe
Theta Alpine very difficult to read, approach to game seems town
RCEnigma I would expect inorganic reads if scum, these seem more accurate than not
Naerys Haven't noticed any departures from her usual, but this is a weak lean given lack of scum games to compare with.

DragonEater70 Feel is primarily town but the quantity is large enough that I haven't absorbed it. I like to keep people null till I fully understand what they're doing
Firebringer The claiming scum thing is within scum range. Approach to game seems solvy. Will need some VCA or a better feel of whether interactions are genuine
Aristeia I don't see anything either overtly town or scum.
Hu Tao Acting null on purpose, which is easily within range for either alignment so null she is.
gob I flat out don't know how to read gob.
usesPython I've read a lot of stuff which didn't really register one way or the other.

Bellaphant There isn't enough material to truly read this slot, scum lean on lack of proactive hunting
furtiveglance Very weak lean. Does not seem as inquisitive as previous games.

yessiree Felt off but I have a hard time saying exactly why. More a least town feel than a most scum.
Titus Something is missing. I'll feel bad if the reason it's missing is RL, but I have to call the posts the way I see them.

So this is davesaz big read post. If you notice theres a lack of scumreads. There are a few weak scum leans. None of these are pursued in anything meaninful way except Titus later on.

When I go through davesaz later posts I also don't find a scumread. I see him either possibly if I am being extremely uncharitable feeling out positions on people (or gauging others opinions w/e). Then I see weak reasons that are fence sitting on a player. Which I do too, not gonna say much on it.

I just find it interesting the one person davesaz has had any confidence on scum was Titus.

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Jesus this is frustrating. Not a single case on me. Objections to voting people that should be pressured. Wtf.

I'm going to react to this as I read it. Not a single case

from

you is the issue.

I feel like Titus would push a theory. The people are split thing is the only thing that's close and there isn't much followup.

I think town Titus tries to make a case on someone, and scum Titus doesn't do that preferring to go along with something.
I've been virtually voting Titus all along, and saying we can use the time until enough people don't want to.

VOTE: Titus

this was what davesaz has been most confident on in the game. I don't see how this can't be a buss.

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if davesaz is attempting to solve today, I think there should be more effort in certain areas he has either said he would look into or more focus on players he has said he was null/lean scum on before where I think there is a vanishing of concern.

He is now focused on the counter wagon. So if I take his previous reads and see who was countering will that line up or did he just abandon his reads

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I went back and did more digging to formulate a case.
I am going back on no effort in solving there is definitely some sort of effort on furtive here.
I think the lack of going back on and doing a few things he said is still there if im being nitpicky like saying would go back to see Titus interactions instead just shooting down other theories by like theta or w/e

I feel like this game is more effort in solving than it should.

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^^^ if im not clear im saying davesaz was putting in some amount of effort into sorting furtive.

I still don't like the slot but its not as scummy as I thought when I was going to do my iso dive,

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i know i should back to meme game

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naah ill be suspicious instead.

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if ur goal was to get me to solve this game for u. Yes, should have promised me scumreads for me to continue efforting

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cant fool me enchant. I know u don't scumread me. I have it on the best authority that ur trolling me!

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i know i should back to meme game

Who should I nuke?

I will let you choose

the country of davesaz

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countdown to landing in 24 hours

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This worked out so well for me last time hehe

i mean last time u nuked a teammate so....chances are that means davesaz is town right!?!?!

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now im in suspense. U win this round enchant

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hmmm

on the one hand i think firebringer is scum
on the other hand that is actually a pretty good case

yess could be angry town here sure
but could also be scum that is annoyed the argument against them boils down to
they are doing the correct plays but just do not seem to vibe town

I have a hard time buying ur this much of a fence sitter even if ur claim is u find me hard to read.

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also like...isn't it obvious i don't get upset at scumreads on me? I have no problems being scumread just if I don't believe its actually a legit argument the person is making in good faith.

Drew is a perfect example if u even just take one person who has called me scum here. U don't see me getting annoyed at drew for scumreading me even if I obviously disagreed with his arguments.

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or maybe thats just obvious to me

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wait are u still subscribing to the idea i figured out Dragoneater was cop and thats why i was trying to eliminate Titus?

Because i still see a disconnect on how i was going for credit on Titus while also pushing away from Titus on dragoneater. I think ur theory makes way more sense if ur saying I tried to last minute save Titus then saying i was going for last minute cop elimination after having some sort of epiphany

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She isn't the cop

This, pretty blatant cop bait

I thought Python was cop from this post ftr

[Firebringer]

…

its ok we just play mountainous

light work

Btw these were such bad posts confirming both Gamma and Ari weren't cops >.<

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i mean i am suggesting you did both
figured out dragon was scum and also tried to save titus at the same time

Okay but i am asking u what makes u think i thought Dragon was the cop?
Like at what point do u think i thought that?

I am telling you I ruled him out as a cop early on in my head, obviously If i am scum I am lying or maybe my teammate figured it out. I just think for you to have this theory you must see something in my iso where u go "firebringer knows Dragoneater is cop or is likely"

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you keep using scum instead of cop btw

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u can tell me this tomorrow but what made you think Dragon was cop because there was definitely posts of his i thought were indicative he wasnt

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Yeah well I still think it's optimal

Maybe the scum will think you were joking

early post by dragon made me think he was less likely to be cop btw

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@Gamma I am going to need you to effort more here

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VOTE: Naerys

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I so don't feel it
VOTE: Davesav

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the frustration from reading isos looking for a smoking gun and just not finding it. So annoying

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i swear if this game is something like enchant/RCE/Naerys I am going to be mad

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Thanks bro

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i am definitely scum though so big buddha was right. Follow ur dreams

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Bella what is with the new avi

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Happy new year everyone

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This year i promise to be town instead of scum

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yeah gamma hasn't been confident on anything lately or pushed anything. Its kind of annoying how detached she is from the game and not putting effort.

the whole ??? when I asked for effort was weird to me because I think its clear gamma doesn't have head in the game.

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is cook code for solving
i refuse

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i had an interesting thought before i went to sleep that i think will super help me sort Naerys.

See one of the troubling thing i find with naerys is (A) she seems genuine and (B) none of her posts takes seem like they couldn't be easily faked.

There was another thing i was thinking about in recentish. Naerys and me rarely if really ever talked about each other in this game, like she didn't react to one time i voted her, my read on her or me calling out her bad arguments. She kind of treats me like i am present but not there.

Which is a bit weird considering from even her latest posts she says im scum. But she is low effort so i was always like "okay w/e"

So challenge for Naerys:
Go through my iso and I just want you to comment on all my takes on yourself. Can be anything just what you think I am doing/ur personal thoughts on my position/is it real-fake/possible opportunism. If you think i am smelly doody head, w/e. Just give me ur thoughts on how I have read and talked about yourself. I think this will be best I get for informing my read on you.

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Firebringer, yessiree and i am still torn about Hu Tao
After titus flip i will neef to recheck some stuff

This was kind of last post about the suspects she had before she responded with the dave/herself/yessire where she kind of said everyone was townie?

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Okay, for today there are main three suspects: yessiree, myself, davesaz
As for myself, i am town. Whenever you feel some concer about me, feel free to throw it at me. I will answer them as best as i can, even if i sometimes yell my frustration out.

yessiree

- Well he is hard to read for me, played only one game with him, where he was alien. And i have to admit that i basically spent whole game following Flavor without paying much attention, so its quite hard for me to compare yessiree in that game with him here. I will be frank, i dont like his levity. Is he always like this? That faked hammer is giving me bad vibes.
@yessiree Who are your solid town reads and whom do you SR?

davesaz

- I am getting town vibes from dave. He is sorting people and their actions. I personally like his inputs, he is observant and calm. I dont see any manipulations or hidden agenda going on there. I need to look at why FB is voting him, beceause i dont see this dave to be scummy at all.
Dave, who is the most towny person for you?

Out of these 2, yessiree looks worse.

yessiree looks worse but the reasons again. They just seem superficial anyone can make doesn't make it fake just means I can see anyone coming up with this even a scum player.

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Fresh Reads List for the New Year as I am now Town!

Spoiler: New List

Firebringer - Lord of Fire. God Town. Lost his sanity to the Trickster Aristeia
Aristeia - Lady of Dreams. Very Likely Town. She stole firebringer sanity and won't return it. She doesn't have the effort in this game as others ive seen but I believe her thoughts are pure.
Gamma Emerald - Lady of Emerald. Strong Town. I've sort of lost my earlier feelings on Gamma but I believe i correctly sorted her early and I am not going to go back and reread to figure out why I think she is town. I want her head more in the game and solving but I think she is town even if lowe effort.
Doctor - Lord of Chaos. Black was town and Drew interacted with me here how he would as town. We have disagreed but if he was scum those disagreements would look very different. Our fights feel very much like in the latest boon game where we couldn't see eye to eye.
Python - Ruler of Order. Strong Town This one seems to want to sort game the most in here. If high effort scum can deep wolf for all I care. I did recently play a marathon and could be underestimate capabilities as scum but I think headspace is clearly on solving and not trying to throw town through loops.
Meuh - Lady of Meuh. She was confirmed town was already townreading her earlier though. Not much to say. Bad leader though. Please overthrow.
Bellaphant - Lady of Phants. Pretty Decent Town. I like her day 2 performance much more than day 1. More solving/engagement. I approve the poking she does and attempts to dig. I mean she could be scum just now getting into the game. I don't think so. Might do a deep dive to give less generic thoughts on this. She feels townie to me with her effort and thoughts.
Theta - Queen of Physics. Probably Town. Ive gone back and forth and now I just believe they believe what they think of me. This is probably best I get with them regarding how they operate/think. Its all clouded in my head because feels abstract thinking most of time.
Hua Tao - Lady of Moon. Probably town. I don't think she was faking her posts or fronting earlier. I think her interactions with Titus are actually clearing too. A bit. I think I was stronger on her town before but absent makes me forget strong reasons or vibes.
Furtive - Lord of Whosvile. Maybe Town. Ask me again later. I will deep dive him at some point and review what I thought about him earlier after deep dive see how much I agree with past firebringer.
yessiree - King of Vibes. Maybe Town. i got nothing but good vibes from the dude on 90% of it which hasn't helped me sort because he takes such a easy going approach that you can't feel an alignment from most of his posting but I feel his insistence on his stance that scum were off-wagon is townie by him. I mean why not just bend the knee on that unless all scum were on the wagon. I guess his actual reads are okay.
Enchant - Wizard Mercanary. Weak Town. I didn't have a good grasp on gob. Enchant hasn't changed much other than I think scum him would try to care how he looked more. Maybe he needs pressure to see how he cares about how he looks in practice. I don't know if this is an actual good method of truly sortng him.
RCEnigma - Ruler of Darkness. Very very weak scum. He could be scum lost motivation. He could be town who just doesn't have time. He seems genuine in his dealings with me. Maybe thats fake. I don't know. Willing to give him another day.
Nayers - Queen of Sloth. Possible Scum. Not feeling great about it. See my questions and stuff at her above posts.
Davesaz - Ruler of VCA. Maybe Scum. I am still not extremely confident. I could do a pros and con list on him. The cons just feel stronger right now with the lack of actual analysis on the votes he claims to focus on. The lack of actual scumreads beyond the hiding on VCA. The only pros i think are somewhat townie are hostility to others and his sorting of furtive. I mean those aren't that good

In a more neat organized less wordy format
Firebringer
Gamma/Drew/Meuh/Python
Aristeia
Bella
Theta/Hua Tao
Furtive/yessiree
Enchant
RCEnigma
Naerys
Davesaz

[Firebringer]

So challenge for Naerys:
Go through my iso and I just want you to comment on all my takes on yourself. Can be anything just what you think I am doing/ur personal thoughts on my position/is it real-fake/possible opportunism. If you think i am smelly doody head, w/e. Just give me ur thoughts on how I have read and talked about yourself. I think this will be best I get for informing my read on you.

I am not going through that million posts of yours. I refuse to be bullied into this.

I am not even bullying u
This is me reaching out to work with you

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even if people agreed with your premise that scum were counterwagoning to Dragoneater. They still want to know why individual X is the most likely scum doing it. What makes them scum doing it.

So like you might be clear in the opinion that SCUM WERE COUNTER WAGONING TITUS
But what isn't clear is why any individual is scum for doing it. Why there can't be town counterwagoning. Etc


So like why not start there dave

[Firebringer]

do you have a

convincing

any

argument for why firebringer is mafia

besides he was voting Dragoneater

fixed that for u

[Firebringer]

i don't want to yell and shout at u, because ive been annoyed way too much in this silly game of mafia.

lets go with i agree with everything you say about me. Ur doing great effort.

I would like more of your wisdom, please can you help me the moron and big meanie by telling me what you think of everything I said about my read/progression on you.

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okay theres something about my approach here. That will not get me to get people to talk to me in a way that gets me anything useful.

I will not be annoyed at responses to me anymore. I know fully expect the way I am engaging is somehow the problem. I am not doing something right here to get people to be helpful to me.

So I don't know what I am doing wrong. Probably being too snappy. Maybe I should just throw compliments out with everypost. Idk

Anyways this is to say.

I am done with this day for time being.

@mod V/LA till friday

I will be around but I am not actually getting a useful dialogue out of this game. Expect low effort for awhile till i figure out how i want reproach this game.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Naerys
Can move dave up my reads list and put Naerys down.

[Firebringer]

Also, to Firebringer: If you're town then it sucks to be suspected this way, but look at this from the bright side. You're one of maybe half a dozen or so that I'd compliment by thinking they might deepwolf this hard. I have to try early and regret it if I'm wrong because it's higher chance of town winning than letting it slide and hoping you aren't the one.

I am not upset at all from being suspected

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can't be right. im not in any of those lists

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idk that analysis makes me feel its more likely that Hua Tao could have been bussing and Titus wanted to make it look like a T/S

[Firebringer]

Titus (6) Hu Tao, Meuh, Firebringer, yessiree, Aristeia, DragonEater70

This being all town just seems crazy to me

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multiple people have said that me and ari can't be a team together. I feel insulted. Me and Ari would make an allstar team and ur insulting us by not considering us.

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are we going to get a hua toa replacement btw. Or can a legit scum strategy be just to get players to replace out for mod kills or something lol

[Firebringer]

I was making a joke

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^ mod please ban this player

[Firebringer]

ur analysis on votes hasn't yielded anything i think is useful for talking about tbh. But I don't see the point in complaining about it so ive just been quietly letting u do ur thing

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like i think if u use the votes, and tell me a story of what is going on with what people are doing with those votes individually. Great, love it. Good stuff we can talk for days about what we think people are doing on those wagons and the motivations behind it if its right or not.

But all i get from ur posting of analysis is a lot of data noise that makes my brain shut off

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I think drew not wanting to end the day and wanting to just pressure titus was pretty clear from the game events happening at the time. This was one of my arguments with him when I was trying to push Titus to get more votes and his adamant refusal to rush the day. So....yeah don't see that as scummy. His actions/mindset seem pretty clear and not scummy to me.

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idk that analysis makes me feel its more likely that Hua Tao could have been bussing and Titus wanted to make it look like a T/S

You're receptive to yess doing almost the same thing in a static manner using only the official VCs. I think the static look is susceptible to inaccuracy from using only those specific points in time, so I want to use the movement or flow of votes.

i reject post 3670 from past firebringer. It was a bad post and analysis. yessiree did a better counter to me just looking at a VCA and making shit up in my head did.

also i wouldn't say i was receptive to yess there, if anything I was arguing against him.

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idk that analysis makes me feel its more likely that Hua Tao could have been bussing and Titus wanted to make it look like a T/S

bad firebringer don't be using vca to make shit up. If ur going to do this go back to hua tao votes and see the context for it. Bad bad bad boy

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yessiree im actually the second cop in this game and I have an innocent on you. Just now.
Alisae just sent me the pm.

Congrats ur confirmed.

Who should I check tonight?

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dragoneater would forget his n0. Good point
forgot his reads so often why wouldn't he misread or forget what his real n0 was

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okay but seriously i want a name. I am going to deep dive someone once we get to weekend. as my last big effort post of this game day.

I will analyze person from interactions with Titus wagon, there posting in general, and any associations they could have and anti associations with others. I call it a mega dive.

Super high effort promise post even though less than 7 hours ago im like i give up. Amazing how inconsistent i am.

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ohh this game day ends in 3 days. Okay it will be a post I prepare for tomorrow cause like hell i am lucky enough to actually die in this game.

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That is the most troll pick outside of u just picking to do me.
Which I would have done also

Okay yessiree

[Firebringer]

cant fool me enchant. I know u don't scumread me. I have it on the best authority that ur trolling me!

Fuck i send without my message fuck

I write it later whatever

I AM STILL IN SUSPENSE AT WHAT ENCHANT WAS WRITING

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Hi ari, I missed you.
Can u give me back my sanity yet

[Firebringer]

i don't want to pretend i am a gob authority but i was scum with Gob recently.
And to me his scum strategy is to either hard townread his allies or hard buss them. He doesn't really go middle ground them from my memory.

[Firebringer]

We lose here i can feel it

This was happening when gob couldn't push me and I was pushing Titus/Kyouko.
If this post was meant for scum pt this is hilarious.

If it was meant for here I think its town points for gob.

If this was accidental posting here. Thats hilarious.

[Firebringer]

We lose here i can feel it

This was happening when gob couldn't push me and I was pushing Titus/Kyouko.
If this post was meant for scum pt this is hilarious.

If it was meant for here I think its town points for gob.

If this was accidental posting here. Thats hilarious.

Wait. I am totally rewriting history my god firebringer. You need sleep
I WAS BEING PUSHED HEAVILY HERE AT THIS POINT
Titus wasn't being in danger at all.

[Firebringer]

i find gob interactions with Titus not feeling like a buddy talking to a buddy to me.

[Firebringer]

replacement bringing life to the game. Nice to see

also Ari is mean for not giving back my sanity. She will pay for this

[Firebringer]

enchant how long are u going to leave me hanging on what u were going to say

[Firebringer]

dont hurt yourself friend

[Firebringer]

not shooting here today

scum slip.
Meuh has a gun.

[Firebringer]

ive seen so many people vaguely scumreading or null-scumreading ari and I just want to know why.

i feel like ari as town is easy to read. If she is entering my blindspot I want to know.
Most of what people have said about her not having strong thoughts/reads just don't seem objectively true at all to me.

If she pocketing me, I want to know. Someone tell me why I am wrong on her. Otherwise hwy does she keep going into the scumpile of reads. Is it level of effort? What is it?

[Firebringer]

the one game of ari scum i remember is a dance game where she just empty posted while hiding behind her dance partner who was more focused on as being scum and was pocketing him.

[Firebringer]

im not like keeping track of reads of everyone on everyone else amazingly. So I really don't see who else is townreading ari besides me either.

Want to point them out for us Dave?

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when no one is here to live chat i get bored easily. Do i really have to go back to review of testing if a balance sheet numbers tie to supporting documentation. Is that really what u all would rather me do.

just noticed this; wishing you luck this tax season as a fellow accounting-type person (I mainly do bookkeeping and sales tax filings, but I process efiled income tax returns too)

I don't work in taxes much.
I am an auditor who specializes in SOX.
I get to do way more fun stuff than reviewing internal revenue code looking at W2s,

I walkthrough peoples business processes and see if they have gaps in where someone can misrepresent financial statements. This can be as fun as me walking through how someone can potentially change a field they shouldn't in some application, to even more fun of double checking supporting evidence ties out to a journal entry.

Also im mostly focused in tech world businesses so i get to see backdoor code and all the complex ways they have data/process information and all potentials for fuck ups. Writing out reports on areas people fucked up. FUN STUFF.

Enough about my day job i just clocked out tho

[Firebringer]

Guys why are you rising up against the conftown's wagon

We live in a society

yes not everyone agrees with the queen

[Firebringer]

i said i would give RCE another day and thats what im doing. I am not going to railroad against the wagon but i am not on board with it.

[Firebringer]

i order the scum team not to night kill you python. so u can stay and chat with me tomorrow

[Firebringer]

if meuh is night killed i consider myself cleared even though everyone is going to argue ofc scum would kill her she is confirmed.

100% not me. Would not do it. If im scum i refuse that kill. U know how much Meuh smells?

[Firebringer]

why not Naerys again, for the really slow people in the room like myself

[Firebringer]

can't be hot, i bring the fire and im not on it.
fake news

[Firebringer]

i guess i should look into that context.

[Firebringer]

idk Ari, I kind of agree with yessiree post there and i don't think me reading the past 2 pages prior makes that look bad

[Firebringer]

ere is your Scum PT:
1. ssbm_Kyouko aka Titus aka Run away vandal
2. DragonEater70 aka The Queens Pet
3. Naerys aka Lurking in the Darkness to Escape the Mod Prods
4. Firebringer aka the Scum King won the election due to a clerical error.

I say we should elim Naerys just to see if im 2/4 here or 1/4
This is important to me.

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what do you agree with

that post 1151 was a weird post by Titus. I had initially written of as moonlogic titus, but now with hindsight it is odd and I think pointing it out makes sense as either alignment. Unless you think its TMIng but I am not seeing scum motivation pushing titus there....like even around the time maybe 1-2 votes just got put on Titus but I think i was center wagon?

[Firebringer]

i either decide to hold up this game day or just bend to the will of the game which is apathy and go for w/e else does

okay

VOTE: yessiree

sorry dude, don't even think ur really scum. Just want this day over and town needs meuh gone for them to stop using her as an excuse not to do anything.

[Hint Scum Team: If you kill Meuh that means lazy town have less excuses]

[Firebringer]

I haven't read anything since page 40

[Firebringer]

yessiree doesn't strike me as someone who keeps stuff in back pocket ready to use in case the tides turn. Seems in the moment player

[Firebringer]

why you hate me

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I don't really disagree.
But what are you doing to help me push Naerys or even Dave?
I feel dave has been a bit townie lately...sort of. I am going back and forth if the indigination is really townie and almost want to meta dive scum games of dave to see if that is really a town tell

[Firebringer]

I noticed that right after i asked for him what he is doing

[Firebringer]

VOTE: RCEnigma

[Firebringer]

apparently meuh was voting RCE and not yessiree

Dragoneater must have cursed me as he died to be as forgetful about reads/votes of others players as his own

[Firebringer]

i swear dave i haven't played with u in a long time and u are so heavy focused on vote count analysis that i swear ur hiding behind it. But I am too lazy to actually go read ur last town games

[Firebringer]

viewtopic.php?t=91800&user_select%5B%5D=24574
last town game of davesaz i saw

Highlights from my skim:
> Hey he townread Titus in this game [She was scum]
> There is a focus on votes a bit in the early game but the biggest distinction is they aren't general comments or vague notions like he makes here. Its more focused, X person vote is scummy for Y,Z reason. Rather than general comments he makes here. [Points to my theory he is hiding behind vague notions of reads
> This game i linked has more mechanics/prs and Dave is one so there way more talk of mechanics but dave spends quite a bit talking about it in that game. Yes, makes sense this game is nearly mountainous so no need to focus here. I still think he doesnt engage in the cop discussion much in this game and that might be telling

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Naerys was also in that game i linked.
And yeah as others say, not feeling a difference between these two games.
Besides her fight with me.

Not saying she is town for it.

I know that is like 3 old month game but as soon as I saw it and the fact neither dave/Naerys mentioned seeing a recent scum game of Titus. It made me conspiracy think they were all a team. Huge stretch because by the time she had already flipped why would they bring up that game. Though I think Davesaz might/could have brought up when actually scumreading Titus.

[Firebringer]

i need to look at that game to see if davesaz got pushed and had this holier than though attitude that he was so fucking townie because I don't see it in that game either. And he was a fucking power role so if he got serious pushed at any point and didn't react that way, I am considering this confirmed he is scum here.

[Firebringer]

he never got more than 2 votes on himself in the game i linked. Well so much for testing that theory

[Firebringer]

VOTE: RCEnigma

hammer btw

[Firebringer]

maybe next time pal

[Firebringer]

ngl im starting to see gameworld of:

furtive/davesaz/RCEnigma

the only person i see davesaz really truly sorting is furtive.
Which might mean thats his buddy so he knows how to question him without it getting swung back on him too hard. idk. Furtive pushbacks look less buddy to him from this conspiracy.
Furtive the more I think about it usually just scumreads me considering hasn't scumread me is actually a soft concern.
RCEnigma....idk still I am just saying I can see a world he is scum so then those other 2 also fit.

Okay truly last sorting post of the day. I am going to watch anime. Peace yall

[Firebringer]

VOTE: furtive

[Firebringer]

Okay truly last sorting post of the day. I am going to watch anime. Peace yall

did you enjoy your anime fire

i watched a political debate instead and i regret it

[Firebringer]

frieren episode 17 i saw yesterday though was pretty good

[Firebringer]

I actually wanted to apologize to fb for snapping at him but he managed to piss me off in like 2 posts again, so nope

If this is your attempt at wanting to talk to me, if I hadn't been clear by being subtle about it. I have been actively avoiding talking directly to you.

I am not trying to be rude/mean here when I say this. I do not wish to talk to you in this game anymore.

I can talk to you about it post game and we can have heart to heart about it all, but I don't want to drag this game down anymore than I have already by being a big jerk or blowing up

[Firebringer]

i have to admit something

I didn't deep dive gob like i said i would.

[Firebringer]

hahahahahaha ur stuck with us

[Firebringer]

what do u not like about ari

[Firebringer]

i need a scum flip to crack this game open

[Firebringer]

VOTE: davesaz

[Firebringer]

Considering we've had like....three lots of resistance to the yes wagon, that's where I'd focus

why do u keep arguing this.
Theres 2 other scum who could be pushing against this.

Do u actually think resistance means much because ill tell u when im scum trying to garner resistance on a wagon is not easy to do organically. It has to be done by town and then u can try to cheer it on and support the resistance. Resisting in of itself means town is hesitant to do something. It means nothing for alignment.

Stop confbiasing ur assumption on yessiree is scum.
Make a compelling case bella. This isn't convincing

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i mean at least if ur going to go down the route of talking about resistance how about talking about the individuals who are resisting it. Tell me what you think yessiree scum flip means for them at least. Then I can at least see the story fleshed out.

Instead i get a conspiracy cabal of scum are creating the resistance to stop the wagon on yessiree. Therefore he is also scum.

It can't be just the simple fact town are hesistant to do X. And that means almost nothing

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Why does scum have to wait for a townie to towncase their partner/start a counterwagon on someone scummier when they can just do it themselves

i mean u can do it but u have to make it believable is the problem.

[Firebringer]

Do u actually think resistance means much because ill tell u when im scum trying to garner resistance on a wagon is not easy to do organically. It has to be done by town and then u can try to cheer it on and support the resistance.

Skill issue

i am very bad at this game

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Do you know what's weird? Dave said the same thing about the rce wagon and you didn't comment on that.

I'm not even saying he's 'got to be scum ' or conf biasing: I was actually fairly open to him being closer to his town meta. But his end of day was bad and the fact that there is resistance is interesting, if nothing else. Both him and rce the other wagons have popped up: I've forgotten the order the wagons happened in but wagonging dragon (town) and python (my top tr yesterday) and then furtive being the elim yesterday is noteworthy, at least?

It's weird that you wanna shut this down and just trash me. I'm not the one having an un- nuanced take.

im not trying to trash u bella. I just think ur tunneling on yessiree has become annoying so i am venting.

Also ur right davesaz mentioning that on RCE is also bad. I am voting davesaz and my chief reason is I don't think his hunting is real. I think he is hiding behind vague statements about voting progression and to ur point now "resistance". Without fleshing out what is going on in an actual way to make out who he believes is scum. Just vague enough to where he can make a push on anyone without having to commit to anything.

So yeah u should join me on dave

[Firebringer]

i think his hunting ISNT real.

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Why does scum have to wait for a townie to towncase their partner/start a counterwagon on someone scummier when they can just do it themselves

i mean u can do it but u have to make it believable is the problem.

So just make it believable what's the problem

im not in the mood for shit posting banter. We can do this later.

[Firebringer]

i quite frankly don't think anyone in this game is that good at scum and i include myself in that group. So ur free to take that as you want.

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like python no joke u might be the best scum player in this game and i haven't even seen ur scum game besides us playing a marathon to know the extent of it.

[Firebringer]

Like towncasing yes man isn't even necessary, you just have to counterwagon someone who looks bad harder

again we can make general theories of what is happening all day. If you think X is doing Y, go on and say it.

The general statement that scum don't want yessiree dead might or might not be true. We don't know. It could be town want a counterwagon more. It could be scum are indifferent to yessiree elim. It could be scum don't want yessiree and town also don't want yessiree. The problem with all these is if we don't look at individual actions are we just high in the sky guessing at a gamestate.

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why aren't u trying to sort me in this conversation.
U had me as scum before, why can't i be scum pushing u.

ur taking me in good faith here in a weird way.
Like you told me yesterday you scumread me.
Am I town now?

What changed davesaz
walk me through your eyes

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strike my last post u aren't completely taking me in good faith here. I just think if u scumread me or think im possible scum ur definitely not interacting with me in a way that suggests so.

U look more like mildly annoyed scum. I guess if im being ultra good faith, semi-patient town.

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i mean if it was really just a lolcat team it would be enchant+davesaz+lemonkitty

behind all the joke posts, there is an attempt by yessiree in the background. Its just clouded by all the joke posts.

[Firebringer]

im very close to revoking enchants pass to do nothing because he is enchant soonish. I just haven't decided when to break the news to him that its expired

[Firebringer]

the only attempts at solving from davesaz i believed were solving were with furtive and it really didn't go anywhere with him. He asked some pointed questions to furtive, seemed like he was trying to sort him. Then no follow up or fall through. It just evaporated.

I feel the same way about how he treats me. One minute I am scum, one minute he is unsure and needs VCA. Its not even about consistency, I need to follow something of how your reads develop or change.

[Firebringer]

i cant remember drew does good things or bad things happen when we are in agreement

[Firebringer]

if i was meuh btw i would be insulted that the scum team don't even think ur a threat right now even though ur confirmed town

[Firebringer]

if i was meuh btw i would be insulted that the scum team don't even think ur a threat right now even though ur confirmed town

This is me trying to encourage you to prove those scum butts wrong Meuh btw.

I am your coach telling you that they called you fat to get you motivated to punch them in the groin

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i mean if it was really just a lolcat team it would be enchant+davesaz+lemonkitty

behind all the joke posts, there is an attempt by yessiree in the background. Its just clouded by all the joke posts.

I guess I struggle to see why a scumteam without yessiree doesnt just shoot meuh and let gamma wake up today and continue her yessiree push

I mean i wouldn't have killed Meuh either. Why won't you suspect me!

[Firebringer]

I advised the scum team not to kill Meuh yesterday.
And god bless them they listened

[Firebringer]

i cant remember drew does good things or bad things happen when we are in agreement

Rarely are we in agreement when both town lol(though us both being town rarely happens as well)

Good point ur probably leading me down a dark path while pretending like I am the one leading it. Well played scum Drew well played.

I will continue down this path anyways because in for a nickle in for a beating as they say

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see but what if i suspect both yess and you firebringer

i do think a yess elim just helps sort out a bunch of other slots though at this point
the people pushing yess especially

ive basically discounted you as a person not playing the game and more likely than not is probably town.

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and i don't say that in a "you aren't solving the game" or "you are putting forward no effort"

I am saying you are saying the loudest player in this game is scum.
Yet you aren't voting them.
You aren't asking other people to vote them.

All you do is vote yessiree when its an easier vote where you don't even need to argue with other players to get it done.

If I am scum you let me control the whole game thread without a challenge.
i don't see how that isn't just letting me win the game in ur eyes if ur town here.

[Firebringer]

i was promised an epic solve, yesssiree

[Firebringer]

VOTE: davesaz

[Firebringer]

Skill issue

True

[Firebringer]

Enchant want to help me buss davesaz?

[Firebringer]

yessiree ur really making me want to vote you right now.
Can u be serious for a bit. Kthx

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Firebringer

Hawt

[Firebringer]

I don't think Meuh voice is all that important
I think its extremely unimportant.

Confirmed town doesn't mean anything except ur not selling us bullshit.
U can still give out horseshit takes

The fact Meuh has no drive this game is just the biggest reason why I think scum didn't kill her and why i wouldn't have killed her.

Why kill a townie even if u can't elim her if she isn't going to be a threat to u.
I say that even now, I don't feel threatened by Meuh vote on me.

I don't think she can get me elimmed even if she tells everyone to do it.
And even if she did, she is proving my point that she is no threat to the scum.

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I don't think Meuh voice is all that important

To give one caveat the only reason Meuh voice is important is because we have had a lot of people want to delegate responsibility to her.

Which I think is either lazy or scummy.
I haven't really gone into each one because I think I can find laziness in it all and it becomes NAI to me.

[Firebringer]

and I am not saying Meuh sucks as a player when I keep saying her voice isn't important. I am making a comment about her disengagement to the game is one of which she is just waiting to be killed.

[Firebringer]

im definitely now talking to a crowd of no one and i got to say i don't find lemon/python talk that interesting to have any input into.

[Firebringer]

But am I an independent man who don't need women

[Firebringer]

im definitely now talking to a crowd of no one and i got to say i don't find lemon/python talk that interesting to have any input into.

I had no crowd either previously sooo i think its just the gamestate. Now fb who do you think are the 3 mafia gth?

my guess right now is you/dave and enchant
throw in RCE in there as a possibility.

Hell could do same with yessiree
but last 3 scum are
yessiree/RCE/Dave/enchant/you

Otherwise if one is outside that I am rooting for the scum team to win it.

[Firebringer]

im kind of at that point of where i just want to kill of people I don't think deserve a scum win at all.

Even though about half of them I could make scum cases for. Like Davesaz.

[Firebringer]

davesaz is my biggest scum suspect and I have made a case on him already so if you want to iso dave and then see my case can do so, lemon

[Firebringer]

I am so angry now.

[Firebringer]

hopefully fresh eyes will be useful here i guess.

[Firebringer]

I am so angry now.

she should've at least dropped her scumcase on you before noping out of the game tbh

She didn't have one.

[Firebringer]

you realize you can at least vote me to get the conversation around the possibility of voting me right

[Firebringer]

i know your too lacking the effort to actually convince people, but people react to votes to at least consider them possibilities to at least be willing to engage with your read.

U deciding to be this passive doesn't help push your opinion forward

[Firebringer]

i really don't have much sympathy for rl execuses, i hope ur doing alright davesaz but im in audit season and its crazy here too and i don't ask for any sympathy from any player here about how stressed i am in my personal life

[Firebringer]

Dannflor replaces Meuh

this is pretty hype

[Firebringer]

The real question to ask is whether that reaction is AI.

And the answer is....

[Firebringer]

only you enchant cant prevent IC from getting shot.

[Firebringer]

Can prevent*


jesus

[Firebringer]

im gonna be honest FB is the most likely player in this game to not kill Meuh N1

Facts

[Firebringer]

If i am most sane player in game, i am town.

No discuss.

This is true. But i wouldn't describe you as sane right now.

[Firebringer]

i think insanity doesn't preclude me from being able to identify sanity

[Firebringer]

taking on bets on the next replacement

100 on bella

[Firebringer]

that is obviously a joke in case i am reported

[Firebringer]

Just bet on yourself and replace out, easy money

but who sends me the check

[Firebringer]

yessiree

i had a dream that davesaz flips mafia
do u believe in dreams?

[Firebringer]

how am i supposed to get my sanity back if we eliminate ari though. KNowing her should take that to her grave with her.

I refuse to elim her until she gives back my sanity