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Yo guys, I replaced in but then immediately forgot that I replaced in-
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That's a very top heavy tierlistIn post 667, light_ganski wrote: {ranger, save the dragons, ausuka, usespython}
{t-bone, black}
{doctor drew, davesaz}
{dannflor}
{naerys, cook}
{gob}-
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I haven't got the context of the game but this feels like it comes from Town more than wolvesIn post 686, gob wrote: It honestly boggles my mind how im even being wagoned lol, or anyones biggest scumread
If those people are scum psotgame i guess that makes sense-
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Ahahahaha that's goldenIn post 694, Doctor Drew wrote: Pre Edit: Jackson? I thought something seemed off about Rangers read list haha-
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Read this again, don't like this part in particular but the first part is townieIn post 686, gob wrote: If those people are scum psotgame i guess that makes sense-
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Do you consider it unreasonable to defend gob here?In post 677, Doctor Drew wrote: Why are there multiple people lowkey(and not so lowkey) defending gob??-
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Ranger's read list is more what I would deem natural looking, first thoughts is that I don't like ganski as a comparison with that-
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Bloop to show that I already have more posts than Cook-
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Looking at Ganski's readlist more closely. I am aware I don't have game context, don't @ me but like the lower tiers are literally all what I would generally consider easy pushes. I really don't like that-
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Cool, anyway-
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Little time left, gotta crank out my catchup ASAP but for right now
VOTE: Ganski-
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What do you mean exactly by "the why of the defense" it feels clear to me you just dislike that people are defending gob at all, rather than you asking why people are defending. "Why are there multiple" instead of "why are multiple".In post 704, Doctor Drew wrote:
Less the actual defense, then the why of the defense.In post 698, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Do you consider it unreasonable to defend gob here?In post 677, Doctor Drew wrote: Why are there multiple people lowkey(and not so lowkey) defending gob??
I agree with you that the last post feels like townGob, I feel like at least one of (Dann, Dave, Ranger) is scum trying to use my vote/case on gob to push me.
Ranger really isn't, and would be way more nuanced as scum since she is on the wagon, but keeps pushing Light, who as I said Dann already called me buddies with them.
Dave didn't have an issue with my vote on gob until Dann really started to push me more.
I am starting to think gob was just a pawn(most likely not scum here), and Dann is the connecting lynchpin here
VOTE: Dann-
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If I'm wrong, of course correct me-
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@usesPython, why do you use python. It's so atrocious-
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Seems there's some confusion, I'll wait to catch up and then come back to you-
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Fool. It aint a spell card, was a trap card.In post 237, Save The Dragons wrote: i don't think it's a PT slip but i think it could be something else, want more clarity
as for T-bone you silly goose i have 2 blue mana untapped you know what that means?
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I'm just gonna blast through it, I don't have time to be slow and in depth. I can clarify after the fact it people want it.
30 Black feels overly stiff.
90 getting pinged by what I would consider aNAI post? @Black if you remember this far back, can you place what pinged you here. You're also referring to Naerys but you're referencing a post by STD?
Ah you clarified that, makes more sense. I don't have thoughts either way about this now
95 gob being a pro gamer. If Ganski is a wolf, I really think Gob is Town. This also makes me feel better about my read but I'll try not to conf bias myself into a hole. Them following up on the read in 103 is also a really good sign to me.
106 Black immediately voting, I hope there's good reasoning for that because it looks kinda wack. The reasoning they gave in 123 was lacklustre. It feels like a chainsaw, if that's the right term. Unsure. Although their "more votes on gob please" feels pure (132). The read itself doesn't feel pure though, it feels greatly exaggerated for what it is to try and push them.
At this point in the catchup (as of 155). It'd be pretty hilarious but GTH the solve is Black, Ganski, Dannflor.
Ganski jumping onto Gob in 188 also is like not unexpected given my head canon. Ranger having Black/Dannflor in the scum-reads in 191 is a fun one, makes me feel nice.
Holy shit they're just spamming tierlists.
Black back on the "yo les do gob, lesduit". That's like majority of their posts it seems like at this point (270). Like literally every post of theirs up to 318 seems to have a gob push in it more likely than not.
Black asked why Gob town-reads her, he anwers and I don't see Black responding to Gob. Will post another thing if this was found later but this is just as bad if she didn't respond back. Cuz that would mean it was likely asked in a way to try and trap Gob even further but couldn't see much to work with. A few pages past and haven't seen it, if I missed it please point it out to me.
I aint reading that wallpost by Dann in 398
625 T-Bone "Yes but the tone of that question is meh" in regards to Dannflor I completely agree with. It felt antagonistic.
Spewed this out as fast as I could. Enjoy-
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Black is probably the most optimal elim from my reads. But cuz I wanna be a pro gamer and hero-shot a wolf immediately upon repping in I also want ganski.-
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So for Gob, this isIn post 712, Doctor Drew wrote: So for three people to make sure he isn't the lim means that:
A. He is scum
B. He is being used by scum
A. He is scum
B. He is town-
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I'll ask again I guess.In post 709, Doctor Drew wrote:Wut?
Do you think gob shouldn't be defended?
Because from your wording, it appears you don't think he should be defended more so that you dislike the reasons people are defending him from.
This other wagon stuff isn't really what I asked you. Unless I'm misunderstanding-
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Respectfully, I don't care. I said optimal from my readsIn post 721, gob wrote: Maybe foor you who JUST replaced in but from my standpoint, and i think honestly objectively sorta, black is not the optimal elim today from almost every angle-
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Lol sorry Alianna-
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YO THATS ILLEGAL-
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You can't delete posts like that smh T-T-
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Doesn't really change what I'm seeing, but sure it lessens it I guessIn post 713, light_ganski wrote: PEdit @ JacksonVirgo I Could prob break the top tier down to {ranger}{the rest} but I think all of them are townblock for now, see above-
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I want either Black or Ganski. Either or I don't really care.
Python is a pretty lacklustre wagon.
Gob is Town
T-bone probably Town-
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You say that and then vote town, congrats-
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You're all gettin' played fr fr-
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Joking of course, I got no idea-
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I am confident at least one of Black/Ganski is wolf tho-
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Ganski/Black/DannflorIn post 739, usesPython wrote: Deadline's coming up, can we get a kill pool from everyone in case there's a cool flashwagon hiding somewhere?
Cook/Dann/T-Bone/gob-
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I just don't appreciate how you seem to be trying to borderline discredit me because I replaced in.In post 740, gob wrote:
jeez why so hostile?In post 724, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Respectfully, I don't care. I said optimal from my readsIn post 721, gob wrote: Maybe foor you who JUST replaced in but from my standpoint, and i think honestly objectively sorta, black is not the optimal elim today from almost every angle-
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Except I am going to counter and say that he is clearly town hereIn post 712, Doctor Drew wrote: Also, gob does not have a style as town that you will say 'oh he is clearly town here'-
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I don't hate drew but that would mean I would have to pretend I can ever be wrong on my GTH solve-
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Objectively, the better masonryIn post 745, T-Bone wrote: Wow JV is my mason buddy but we have a separate 2 person masonry-
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Scumlike being the strongest scum-leaning read you've got? How strong is that. "like" doesn't show too much weight behind it just by the nature of the word but that doesn't make a whole lotta sense with you only having weak scum-leans otherwise?-
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I like you, that's how I've been trying to move my play more into with various levels of successIn post 758, T-Bone wrote: It's how I do my lists. I don't want to get into the mindset that I know people's alignments. I suspect things, and this is how I represent my feelings in that regards. The language is intentional to convey my feelings.-
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Because the alternative was me tunnel-visioning and being toxic which I don't want to be like. I jest about my confidence this game in particular mainly because of the time constraint and I want my thoughts to be spread as far as I can make it for the D1 elim so I don't feel like I have the freedom to do what I've been trying to do better with-
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In post 763, Doctor Drew wrote: Maybe I should have......used python(I don't even know if that joke even works here lol)
Reminds me of the good ol' joke
"I like to use large fancy words so I can sound more photosynthesis"-
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I should change my username from JacksonVirgo to
usesRust or usesTypescript for sure
T-Bone can you do this for me? hehehe-
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I guess you gotta go then VOTE: usesPython-
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VOTE: Black-
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I just realised you were the one that was being like very close to hammer, my heart sank to my toes my god-
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VOTE: Dannflor
Nah I hate that post from Drew-
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I'd rather we move away from them all and go Black/GanskiIn post 782, humaneatingmonkey wrote: what's the case against the three top wagons
someone young, beautiful, intelligent, and charming talk me into voting one of them-
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The other two aren't happening, Drew dropped off of a Dann read (who was my third in my hero solve) which made me want to be there even more just because it felt offIn post 787, humaneatingmonkey wrote: then why vote Dannflor, that's insane-
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Ganski feels like they're going with the flow of the gamestate rather than pushing their own reads. Their latest read tierlist had all the harder people to push at the top (and it was heavily top-sided) and then all the general easy to push people at the bottom. That read absolutely awful to me. For someone that appears to be very socially built different (for lack of a better term), they're going with what seems to be easy. I don't like thatIn post 785, humaneatingmonkey wrote: why
Black felt stiff in the early game and then at a particular point she hard-locked onto Gob and did not let go throughout the entire game. Like a crocodile death roll, just constantly barraging them. It felt like they were seeing Gob for the value the push would have rather than thinking they're wolf and solving. There's one particular point that I am seeing the most for this and that's the fact that she asked Gob a question, Gob answered in what I deemed to be a pretty good response and Black proceeded to just not respond back at all. It feels like she's fishing for reasons to call gob out as scummy. Also of course Gob was pushing Ganski and it felt like Black did a good ol' chainsaw (I still don't know if that's the right term) and just hard pushed Gob because of that but that's a read for if one of them flips red, to evaluate the other.-
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Dang gimme time, I aint gonna half ass itIn post 791, humaneatingmonkey wrote: you haven't even tried to convince me-
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Flash wagon? Nah I just thought it felt off so I voted there in the momentIn post 792, Doctor Drew wrote: Literally why wait until I unvote Dann to start a flash wagon on Dann?-
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Like I would say about 90% of what I recall of Black is just trying to find reasons to swing a wagon onto Gob in particularIn post 794, JacksonVirgo wrote: just constantly barraging them-
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I'm not as convinced it's Dann as I am on Black/Ganski. I feel people are treating him in weird ways, the middle of the pack read between both my other SRs make me think that they're just putting them there to "distance". I also hated how he was talking with T-Bone as of the last 10 pages or so. It felt he was trying to rile up rather than do anything actually productive.In post 798, humaneatingmonkey wrote: what's the case against Dann?-
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I was tempted to vote Drew there over Dann to be completely honest but chose Dann cuz of pride mostly. If I get the option for Black/Ganski I am always going on them but since I just repped in I don't feel I have the strength behind me to really push them with so little time left in the day so was gonna mostly focus on them two tomorrow and do what is the "middle" between what I want and what is realistic today.-
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BetIn post 802, usesPython wrote:
Quick everyone do something stupidIn post 801, humaneatingmonkey wrote: i'll read the game thread in 6 hours. no one do anything stupid before that!
VOTE: JV-
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Oh that wasn't hammer-
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It really isn't-
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His progression is sound-
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I disagree with it, but it's sound-
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I don't really care to at the moment but what I will say is that HEM is town, as are you.In post 827, usesPython wrote:
I disagree lets fightIn post 824, JacksonVirgo wrote: His progression is sound-
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I was following in a general sense the progression they were having, I just didn't think it meant anything-
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