Open 902: Frienemies Blitz | Postgame

[JacksonVirgo]

Yo guys, I replaced in but then immediately forgot that I replaced in

[JacksonVirgo]

{ranger, save the dragons, ausuka, usespython}
{t-bone, black}
{doctor drew, davesaz}
{dannflor}
{naerys, cook}
{gob}

That's a very top heavy tierlist

[JacksonVirgo]

It honestly boggles my mind how im even being wagoned lol, or anyones biggest scumread

If those people are scum psotgame i guess that makes sense

I haven't got the context of the game but this feels like it comes from Town more than wolves

[JacksonVirgo]

Pre Edit: Jackson? I thought something seemed off about Rangers read list haha

Ahahahaha that's golden

[JacksonVirgo]

If those people are scum psotgame i guess that makes sense

Read this again, don't like this part in particular but the first part is townie

[JacksonVirgo]

Why are there multiple people lowkey(and not so lowkey) defending gob??

Do you consider it unreasonable to defend gob here?

[JacksonVirgo]

Ranger's read list is more what I would deem natural looking, first thoughts is that I don't like ganski as a comparison with that

[JacksonVirgo]

Bloop to show that I already have more posts than Cook

[JacksonVirgo]

Looking at Ganski's readlist more closely. I am aware I don't have game context, don't @ me but like the lower tiers are literally all what I would generally consider easy pushes. I really don't like that

[JacksonVirgo]

Cool, anyway

[JacksonVirgo]

Little time left, gotta crank out my catchup ASAP but for right now

VOTE: Ganski

[JacksonVirgo]

Why are there multiple people lowkey(and not so lowkey) defending gob??

Do you consider it unreasonable to defend gob here?

Less the actual defense, then the why of the defense.

I agree with you that the last post feels like townGob, I feel like at least one of (Dann, Dave, Ranger) is scum trying to use my vote/case on gob to push me.

Ranger really isn't, and would be way more nuanced as scum since she is on the wagon, but keeps pushing Light, who as I said Dann already called me buddies with them.

Dave didn't have an issue with my vote on gob until Dann really started to push me more.

I am starting to think gob was just a pawn(most likely not scum here), and Dann is the connecting lynchpin here

VOTE: Dann

What do you mean exactly by "the why of the defense" it feels clear to me you just dislike that people are defending gob at all, rather than you asking why people are defending. "Why are there multiple" instead of "why are multiple".

[JacksonVirgo]

If I'm wrong, of course correct me

[JacksonVirgo]

@usesPython

, why do you use python. It's so atrocious

[JacksonVirgo]

Seems there's some confusion, I'll wait to catch up and then come back to you

[JacksonVirgo]

i don't think it's a PT slip but i think it could be something else, want more clarity

as for T-bone you silly goose i have 2 blue mana untapped you know what that means?

Spoiler:

Fool. It aint a spell card, was a trap card.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm just gonna blast through it, I don't have time to be slow and in depth. I can clarify after the fact it people want it.

30 Black feels overly stiff.
90 getting pinged by what I would consider aNAI post? @Black if you remember this far back, can you place what pinged you here. You're also referring to Naerys but you're referencing a post by STD?

Ah you clarified that, makes more sense. I don't have thoughts either way about this now

95 gob being a pro gamer. If Ganski is a wolf, I really think Gob is Town. This also makes me feel better about my read but I'll try not to conf bias myself into a hole. Them following up on the read in 103 is also a really good sign to me.

106 Black immediately voting, I hope there's good reasoning for that because it looks kinda wack. The reasoning they gave in 123 was lacklustre. It feels like a chainsaw, if that's the right term. Unsure. Although their "more votes on gob please" feels pure (132). The read itself doesn't feel pure though, it feels greatly exaggerated for what it is to try and push them.

At this point in the catchup (as of 155). It'd be pretty hilarious but GTH the solve is Black, Ganski, Dannflor.

Ganski jumping onto Gob in 188 also is like not unexpected given my head canon. Ranger having Black/Dannflor in the scum-reads in 191 is a fun one, makes me feel nice.

Holy shit they're just spamming tierlists.

Black back on the "yo les do gob, lesduit". That's like majority of their posts it seems like at this point (270). Like literally every post of theirs up to 318 seems to have a gob push in it more likely than not.

Black asked why Gob town-reads her, he anwers and I don't see Black responding to Gob. Will post another thing if this was found later but this is just as bad if she didn't respond back. Cuz that would mean it was likely asked in a way to try and trap Gob even further but couldn't see much to work with. A few pages past and haven't seen it, if I missed it please point it out to me.

I aint reading that wallpost by Dann in 398

625 T-Bone "Yes but the tone of that question is meh" in regards to Dannflor I completely agree with. It felt antagonistic.


Spewed this out as fast as I could. Enjoy

[JacksonVirgo]

Black is probably the most optimal elim from my reads. But cuz I wanna be a pro gamer and hero-shot a wolf immediately upon repping in I also want ganski.

[JacksonVirgo]

So for three people to make sure he isn't the lim means that:

A. He is scum
B. He is being used by scum

So for Gob, this is

A. He is scum
B. He is town

[JacksonVirgo]

Wut?

I'll ask again I guess.
Do you think gob shouldn't be defended?
Because from your wording, it appears you don't think he should be defended more so that you dislike the reasons people are defending him from.

This other wagon stuff isn't really what I asked you. Unless I'm misunderstanding

[JacksonVirgo]

Maybe foor you who JUST replaced in but from my standpoint, and i think honestly objectively sorta, black is not the optimal elim today from almost every angle

Respectfully, I don't care. I said optimal from my reads

[JacksonVirgo]

Lol sorry Alianna

[JacksonVirgo]

YO THATS ILLEGAL

[JacksonVirgo]

You can't delete posts like that smh T-T

[JacksonVirgo]

PEdit @ JacksonVirgo I Could prob break the top tier down to {ranger}{the rest} but I think all of them are townblock for now, see above

Doesn't really change what I'm seeing, but sure it lessens it I guess

[JacksonVirgo]

I want either Black or Ganski. Either or I don't really care.
Python is a pretty lacklustre wagon.
Gob is Town
T-bone probably Town

[JacksonVirgo]

You say that and then vote town, congrats

[JacksonVirgo]

You're all gettin' played fr fr

[JacksonVirgo]

Joking of course, I got no idea

[JacksonVirgo]

I am confident at least one of Black/Ganski is wolf tho

[JacksonVirgo]

Deadline's coming up, can we get a kill pool from everyone in case there's a cool flashwagon hiding somewhere?

Cook/Dann/T-Bone/gob

Ganski/Black/Dannflor

[JacksonVirgo]

Maybe foor you who JUST replaced in but from my standpoint, and i think honestly objectively sorta, black is not the optimal elim today from almost every angle

Respectfully, I don't care. I said optimal from my reads

jeez why so hostile?

I just don't appreciate how you seem to be trying to borderline discredit me because I replaced in.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also, gob does not have a style as town that you will say 'oh he is clearly town here'

Except I am going to counter and say that he is clearly town here

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't hate drew but that would mean I would have to pretend I can ever be wrong on my GTH solve

[JacksonVirgo]

Wow JV is my mason buddy but we have a separate 2 person masonry

Objectively, the better masonry

[JacksonVirgo]

Scumlike being the strongest scum-leaning read you've got? How strong is that. "like" doesn't show too much weight behind it just by the nature of the word but that doesn't make a whole lotta sense with you only having weak scum-leans otherwise?

[JacksonVirgo]

It's how I do my lists. I don't want to get into the mindset that I know people's alignments. I suspect things, and this is how I represent my feelings in that regards. The language is intentional to convey my feelings.

I like you, that's how I've been trying to move my play more into with various levels of success

[JacksonVirgo]

Because the alternative was me tunnel-visioning and being toxic which I don't want to be like. I jest about my confidence this game in particular mainly because of the time constraint and I want my thoughts to be spread as far as I can make it for the D1 elim so I don't feel like I have the freedom to do what I've been trying to do better with

[JacksonVirgo]

Maybe I should have......used python(I don't even know if that joke even works here lol)

Reminds me of the good ol' joke
"I like to use large fancy words so I can sound more photosynthesis"

[JacksonVirgo]

I should change my username from JacksonVirgo to
usesRust or usesTypescript for sure

T-Bone can you do this for me? hehehe

[JacksonVirgo]

I guess you gotta go then VOTE: usesPython

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Black

[JacksonVirgo]

I just realised you were the one that was being like very close to hammer, my heart sank to my toes my god

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Dannflor

Nah I hate that post from Drew

[JacksonVirgo]

what's the case against the three top wagons

someone young, beautiful, intelligent, and charming talk me into voting one of them

I'd rather we move away from them all and go Black/Ganski

[JacksonVirgo]

then why vote Dannflor, that's insane

The other two aren't happening, Drew dropped off of a Dann read (who was my third in my hero solve) which made me want to be there even more just because it felt off

[JacksonVirgo]

why

Ganski feels like they're going with the flow of the gamestate rather than pushing their own reads. Their latest read tierlist had all the harder people to push at the top (and it was heavily top-sided) and then all the general easy to push people at the bottom. That read absolutely awful to me. For someone that appears to be very socially built different (for lack of a better term), they're going with what seems to be easy. I don't like that

Black felt stiff in the early game and then at a particular point she hard-locked onto Gob and did not let go throughout the entire game. Like a crocodile death roll, just constantly barraging them. It felt like they were seeing Gob for the value the push would have rather than thinking they're wolf and solving. There's one particular point that I am seeing the most for this and that's the fact that she asked Gob a question, Gob answered in what I deemed to be a pretty good response and Black proceeded to just not respond back at all. It feels like she's fishing for reasons to call gob out as scummy. Also of course Gob was pushing Ganski and it felt like Black did a good ol' chainsaw (I still don't know if that's the right term) and just hard pushed Gob because of that but that's a read for if one of them flips red, to evaluate the other.

[JacksonVirgo]

you haven't even tried to convince me

Dang gimme time, I aint gonna half ass it

[JacksonVirgo]

Literally why wait until I unvote Dann to start a flash wagon on Dann?

Flash wagon? Nah I just thought it felt off so I voted there in the moment

[JacksonVirgo]

just constantly barraging them

Like I would say about 90% of what I recall of Black is just trying to find reasons to swing a wagon onto Gob in particular

[JacksonVirgo]

what's the case against Dann?

I'm not as convinced it's Dann as I am on Black/Ganski. I feel people are treating him in weird ways, the middle of the pack read between both my other SRs make me think that they're just putting them there to "distance". I also hated how he was talking with T-Bone as of the last 10 pages or so. It felt he was trying to rile up rather than do anything actually productive.

[JacksonVirgo]

I was tempted to vote Drew there over Dann to be completely honest but chose Dann cuz of pride mostly. If I get the option for Black/Ganski I am always going on them but since I just repped in I don't feel I have the strength behind me to really push them with so little time left in the day so was gonna mostly focus on them two tomorrow and do what is the "middle" between what I want and what is realistic today.

[JacksonVirgo]

i'll read the game thread in 6 hours. no one do anything stupid before that!

Quick everyone do something stupid

Bet

VOTE: JV

[JacksonVirgo]

aintnoway

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh that wasn't hammer

[JacksonVirgo]

It really isn't

[JacksonVirgo]

His progression is sound

[JacksonVirgo]

I disagree with it, but it's sound

[JacksonVirgo]

His progression is sound

I disagree lets fight

I don't really care to at the moment but what I will say is that HEM is town, as are you.

[JacksonVirgo]

I was following in a general sense the progression they were having, I just didn't think it meant anything

[JacksonVirgo]

JV can you tell me why python is town

Sure, a lot of it is just thoughts bouncing around my head so it's probably good to try and put it into words to see how I truly feel. I like their carefree and bouncy attitude, excluding what they just did just now it feels like it came from a place of genuine just fun and enjoyment (which is NAI by itself) as opposed to faking that to try and seem less stiff and pushy. The inverse of that is what I'm finding in their posts which I am finding it hard to explain the difference between what I'm seeing and the NAI part. The wagon composition on them is also just absolute ass fire. The recent happenings does feel a little bit malicious/selfish in nature so I'm keeping it in mind but overall I do think they're Town

[JacksonVirgo]

A bunch of the confidence is coming from the confidence in my scum-reads, I will admit

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah I'm voting you over gob

[JacksonVirgo]

I want neither though

VOTE: Black

[JacksonVirgo]

I agree

[JacksonVirgo]

But that doesn't make the reason HEM is voting you a ZZZ progression

[JacksonVirgo]

Vote and find out

[JacksonVirgo]

And I have a pretty good track record reading her

Yeah, I'm sure you know I can't rely on that

[JacksonVirgo]

Can you look over what I've said against her and tell me what you disagree with instead?

[JacksonVirgo]

Easy as, appreciated

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah I can in an hour or two

Thoughts on Ganski?

[JacksonVirgo]

@hem. I think this is a weird perspective for a scum!python to have. It’s like self preservation being put on their sleeves for all to see, unmasked

[JacksonVirgo]

Where’s my quote, I’m quite jealous now

[JacksonVirgo]

you can see the self-preservation too? i thought it was just me.

sometimes, the obvious is enough to call it.

Nah not just you

[JacksonVirgo]

Where’s my quote, I’m quite jealous now

You're already on the wagon smh my head

[JacksonVirgo]

What a lad

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah yes, of course :)

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m ready to thunderdome Black

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s how I saw it

[JacksonVirgo]

At work responses will be delayed

[JacksonVirgo]

Also bloop

[JacksonVirgo]

Why not look elsewhere JacksonVirgo?

I am, I’m just choosing to push Black as I’m like fairly convinced I’m a god and that I’m right.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why not look elsewhere JacksonVirgo?

I am, I’m just choosing to push Black as I’m like fairly convinced I’m a god and that I’m right.

Im pretty decent at reading Black and i disagree. I have no problem going back over Black tomorrow i guess. But today she clearly aint the lim

Good for you

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Black

We’re getting there folks

[JacksonVirgo]

Btw the whole response to Black was that it was very clearly self pres

[JacksonVirgo]

Why not look elsewhere JacksonVirgo?

I am, I’m just choosing to push Black as I’m like fairly convinced I’m a god and that I’m right.

Im pretty decent at reading Black and i disagree. I have no problem going back over Black tomorrow i guess. But today she clearly aint the lim

Good for you

quite dismissive

Yeah because as I told Dann, I can’t do anything with “I can read them well trust me bro” so I really could not care less

[JacksonVirgo]

You’ve also done nothing but pull apart or try and diminish what I’m doing with nothing constructive I can work with so I am just getting tired of it frankly

[JacksonVirgo]

740 + 741 remind me why I developed a gob scumread.

Can you elaborate?

[JacksonVirgo]

Gob is unfortunately town, so I can try and inject my thoughts into that

[JacksonVirgo]

Yes, on Black

[JacksonVirgo]

Python is town. Gob is town. Black is scummy

[JacksonVirgo]

This is roulette baby, always bet on black

[JacksonVirgo]

Alr back to work I go

[JacksonVirgo]

I’ll explain the gob and hem townreads if I have time before day end

[JacksonVirgo]

Idk how long we got, I work another like 4 and a half hours

[JacksonVirgo]

Just over 6, yeah I’ll make it before black flips red

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m having a lot of fun playing in this way I hope it aint annoying

[JacksonVirgo]

Just over 6, yeah I’ll make it before black flips red

Just seems to me like youre tunneling. I get there isnt much time left but i dont think black is leaving today so idk why you wont look elsewhere or defer to your TR’s reads

It was a joke, hence the next post

[JacksonVirgo]

Gob what’s ur read on me?

[JacksonVirgo]

I haven’t forgotten the black!town case btw

I’m just waiting until i get to work in an hour and have a computer

Easy as

[JacksonVirgo]

37 pages, let's do this.

Good luck, I know the pain except it wasn’t 37 yet

[JacksonVirgo]

I’ll wait for your response to my question gob before I respond to u

[JacksonVirgo]

So, Town?

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s a leading question

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah so you see how you’re correctly reading me as Town? You should trust my reads too, it’s the correct play imo

[JacksonVirgo]

that’s been steaming since you said it lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

Overall I need you to put effort in to try and convince me more than asking for blind trust if you want me to follow your reads more. I can’t really feel good about going against my own strong feelings and reads to put blind faith in yours. No offence of course, I am not by any means saying I am better than you

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s a big ask to try and get my blind faith

[JacksonVirgo]

In regards to reads. I’m feeling really good with a gob, python, hem, ranger. T-Bone and Dave seem good too.

Black, Ganski both look the worse. Drew and Dann behind them with the remainding two as null

[JacksonVirgo]

Also bloop

[JacksonVirgo]

Wow my english is so broken in that post

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: black

We’re neck and neck lads. And python is at an advantage cuz snakes have longer necks

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m actually gonna be pretty devastated if black doesn’t flip

[JacksonVirgo]

Though black, ily

[JacksonVirgo]

Already explained it to hem

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel I’ve been very clear my exaggerated confidence is a bit. I’m playing around cuz I’m enjoying myself doing so. I’m confident but I’m not an idiot

[JacksonVirgo]

Pythons self pres is different from urs, which I spoke about with HEM

[JacksonVirgo]

Taking the easy route “they’re both paired omg guys”

[JacksonVirgo]

Python is doing his self pres actively and never seemed to try to hide they were doing it. It was pure, yours wasn’t.

[JacksonVirgo]

Misunderstanding there

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m sayiny their self pres was shown on their sleeve, unmasked. Yours was hidden under trying to show logic as a reason to vote.

[JacksonVirgo]

I wasn’t referring to your activity

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m sayiny their self pres was shown on their sleeve, unmasked. Yours was hidden under trying to show logic as a reason to vote.

I mean yeah there is a little self-pres involved but there are reasons why I think python is scum. I don't think it's scummy of me to show my work

It isn’t necessarily I agree. I’m explaining the difference of the arguments I am using because you’re saying it’s the same between the both of you when it simply isn’t

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

i don't think i'm as convinced on black as i thought i was

My world comes tumbling down, oh no

[JacksonVirgo]

I like JV I think they are town

I don't think they are correct on Black

Why

[JacksonVirgo]

Yes lets split vote black and ganski

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

i don't think i'm as convinced on black as i thought i was

My world comes tumbling down, oh no

i don't know if i see the self preservation angle

if there's one top reason i should vote black, what would that be?

They’ve been treating gob like fodder. Up to the point where I repped in and wasn’t there to push it, they were relentlessly pushing gob to the extent that I would assume more than 75% of the posts since the inherent shift to gob was exactly that, pushing gob. A lot of it was trying to find and gather people to vote gob more so than I would deem truly analysing him. In fact, the one post I recall them maybe trying to genuinely analyse with an honest question was left in the dust when gob answered decently. Which I see as it failing to do what Black wanted, which was more reasons to push them.

It reeks of agenda. And that is taking pre flip associations with ganski out of the topic cuz it isn’t the place but it’s in my head too

[JacksonVirgo]

The association agenda being a chainsaw as when gob pushed ganski, black immediately jumped on the push on gob and did not back off. Gob reacted to this “perfectly” and was not swayed by it much at all from what I saw which is a good pro gob moment amongst other things. To explain that too but disregard until one flips red, if they do

[JacksonVirgo]

I like JV I think they are town

I don't think they are correct on Black

Why

so I think Black's scum read on Gob kind of never comes from scum

it is the kind of read that is hard to make up, but comes from town who think about the game in terms of their singular view point a lot

Was asking about the first bit

[JacksonVirgo]

If so, she’s doing it in a completely different way than all the games I know of her

[JacksonVirgo]

im trying to figure out where gob is going

He's not going anywhere. He's trying to seem busy. He made an early game solve with LG in it and now he's scumreading her without reason because he feels locked into that solve

More votes on gob please

im trying to figure out where gob is going

He's not going anywhere. He's trying to seem busy. He made an early game solve with LG in it and now he's scumreading her without reason because he feels locked into that solve

More votes on gob please

Why not Naerys

I could go Naerys but I have a much stronger feeling about gob

{UsesPython, Naerys}
{Ausuka}
{light_ganski}
{Save the Dragons}
{T-Bone}
{Doctor Drew, davesaz}
{Cook}
{gob}
{Black, Dannflor}

I actually townread everyone from Drew above.

Cool, will you help me fade gob then?

Cool, will you help me fade gob then?

I'd prefer a deepwolf before I'm killed.

I'll settle for a bus if need be.

You sound like me :lol:

I'm not interested in voting Dann today. gob wagon has plenty of room though *pats the seat next to me*

If there's a scum wagon going on right now then you're probably town for fixating on gob instead

What makes you think gob isn't the scum wagon?

fluffy pink balloon feels like LHF to me a bit

If he's LHF then why am I the only one pushing him

These don’t read as well even remotely trying to assess the game. It feels like you have an outcome you want and you’re pushing it. Mix in some naerys push and that’s ur ISO

[JacksonVirgo]

T-Bone
Doctor Drew
davesaz
humaneatingmonkey

i think is my preferred lim pool.

i think all four slots have been very low content and not really doing much to advance the gamestate, preferring the status quo of going after gob, python, and now black

This is whack considering I tried to get JV's slot gone.

What have you done to advance the gamestate? I'm looking for some self analysis, that's not a gotcha question.

Yet I stand

[JacksonVirgo]

Gloop

[JacksonVirgo]

i think black pushing for the wagon she wants is par for the course for town!black

in my experience she has more trouble believably hard-pushing people as scum

… this is what anybody would do I don’t get what you’re trying to say

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm liking my company on the Black wagon far more than the composition of the Python wagon.

Talk me through it. The wagon composition looks weird to me when I look at, and I can't pin down why.

Going to add to this. I don't particularly like JV's push of Black. I know you read gob as town and thus, Black's preferred lim is wrong, but I don't like the way that JV is almost working backwards from this conclusion to go "aha Black is tunneling town, this is scum behavior!" while twirling a baton.

Admire my magnificent baton

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m joking around a lot but that’s just cuz I’m really anxious. I’m at work, on mobile and trying to explain deeper thoughts without the ability to really articulate it

[JacksonVirgo]

Well also cuz it’s fun, but still anxious. in a good way of course, having a blast

[JacksonVirgo]

Going to add to this. I don't particularly like JV's push of Black. I know you read gob as town and thus, Black's preferred lim is wrong, but I don't like the way that JV is almost working backwards from this conclusion to go "aha Black is tunneling town, this is scum behavior!" while twirling a baton.

I agree with this. People who have played way more games with me and are much better at reading me are telling him that I might be town and he just laughs them off or makes some joke instead of reevaluating

I really want to just autoflip him if python flips scum but that would probably be a bad play

I’m allowed to have reads without needing a backlog of games with you. This feels incredibly disingenuous to say to me. A persons skill does not rely on said backlog. I feel kinda insulted

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m joking around a lot but that’s just cuz I’m really anxious. I’m at work, on mobile and trying to explain deeper thoughts without the ability to really articulate it

Why are you really anxious? I guess having your scumbuddy as the leading wagon would do that huh

Don’t piss me off. You know I like to explain things in depth, I can’t do that rn.

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m just gonna take a step away. Black saying fuck you kinda upset me and I thought I’d just overlook it but now things feel personal and I don’t want that from Black. She’s one of my favourite people here I wanna have fun when playing with her

[JacksonVirgo]

I don’t care about the outcome of today anymore

[JacksonVirgo]

See you D2

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Ganski

Turns out I do care, I really don’t want python out can we consolidate. This was the root of my read on black that got clouded, I do feel like chances are high that I’m unfairly tunnelled. I’ll give my read on Black time to simmer. I haven’t read anything since I left.

[JacksonVirgo]

See you after I finish work, or D2 depending on whether or not y’all hammer

[JacksonVirgo]

We absolutely ballin

[JacksonVirgo]

Time to hammer a mason

[JacksonVirgo]

It’s a miracle that I finished work before a hammer

[JacksonVirgo]

Please hammer

Ranger is lying

… why would they?

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh, fakeclaiming as a town. That’d be pretty spicy actually

[JacksonVirgo]

python very clearly claimed not mason

A mason can still claim not masonry tbf

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m just gonna take a step away. Black saying fuck you kinda upset me and I thought I’d just overlook it but now things feel personal and I don’t want that from Black. She’s one of my favourite people here I wanna have fun when playing with her

I'm sorry. The fuck you did come after I misunderstood your comment, so I want to apologize for reading incorrectly and getting upset :(

The feeling is mutual btw. I really like you

Yeah I figured that would be why but still caught me way off guard lmao

[JacksonVirgo]

This isn't personal. I'm just having a hard time determining if your push is tunneled town or bad faith scum and I get annoyed when either of those types of pushes happen to me

I completely get it, I think I also overplayed the “roleplay” for lack of a better word so I’ll also tone that down.

[JacksonVirgo]

I hate that Ranger dropped this bomb and then vanished

Am I alone that just thinks it’s hilarious

[JacksonVirgo]

I guess I feel it is kind of too late for light ganski although I do not hate that elimination choice

Where theres a will, there’s a way!!!

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyway, Dann obvtown now I think?

[JacksonVirgo]

Unless this is a planned gambit, it would be ballsy as all hell to push to hammer a pending masonry claim (of sorts)

[JacksonVirgo]

Scum!python probably waits this out until day end so really we should hammer them unless they come in and claim its true

[JacksonVirgo]

I hate that ranger did this now, made me paranoid

[JacksonVirgo]

Shhh

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m actually… is naerys wolf?

[JacksonVirgo]

They dipped immediately as Dann called out ranger for lying

[JacksonVirgo]

^ that prompted it

[JacksonVirgo]

Hmm, fair. I’ll put that one back in my pocket.
Tbf it’s not really on Python, its not like he dipped after ranger claimed it

[JacksonVirgo]

Ill hammer them myself if they don’t pop in so if they are, that’s their problem

[JacksonVirgo]

As long as I get 1113 we gucci

Pedit: NO WTF

Top 10 anime betrayals

[JacksonVirgo]

well im not catching up now, python can die

You know the context ye?

[JacksonVirgo]

Its not kinda, it is ick

[JacksonVirgo]

HEM, ranger claims pyth is mason

[JacksonVirgo]

gob, Naerys, Dannflor, humaneatingmonkey, Black, Save The Dragons

if Python is scum i think this whole wagon is town tbh

JV and Ranger are the towniest off wagon

so lim in [light_ganski, davesaz, drew, tbone] probably in that order

then if the game doesn't end lim Ranger for the mason claim

if python is scum of course

And the inverse?

[JacksonVirgo]

Humour me please

[JacksonVirgo]

HEM, ranger claims pyth is mason

so is ranger mason?

Who tf knows, they dipped immediately after saying it which is why the thread is straight ass right now

[JacksonVirgo]

16 mins before deadline, I will hammer

[JacksonVirgo]

Where would we even pivot given they claim mason and are true

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah I can respect that dave

[JacksonVirgo]

You’re a ballee

[JacksonVirgo]

Baller*

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait. Is psyches name pronounced “syke” or “sigh-key”

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m having an existential crisis now

[JacksonVirgo]

What a strike to the gut, sorry guys. Thank you for sticking to that even though I tried my hardest to push against it

[JacksonVirgo]

The pagetop was my feeling seeing the flip and I genuinely laughed so hard seeing it there

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah I want Ganski as well

[JacksonVirgo]

I realized too late that Dann's reaction meant something. If it had sunk in right away I would have just shut it down with a hammer. :(
At least we got the scum flip.
Not available to re-look closely at the last pages as I'm working now.

I only realised just now as you said this that he said that because he was mason, lmfao this game is doing something to my head

[JacksonVirgo]

We love that for you

[JacksonVirgo]

Nah, just admitting when I'm wrong

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright, I just town-read them

[JacksonVirgo]

I just didn't think they would be this openly obvious about self preservation as they were, it struck as counterintuitive to do so considering generally in my head scum don't wanna appear that way.

[JacksonVirgo]

It's definitely debatable, considering it was wrong, but you didn't really talk to me about it in the moment did you? This seems hardly fair

[JacksonVirgo]

Valid

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay I didn’t want to say this but you all clearly missed the hints.

We're not mislimming a Mason today; get off of JacksonVirgo.

[JacksonVirgo]

Couldn't help myself

In regards to my reads shifting given that flip. My reads are the same regarding gob and ganski. Black inverted itself. I still like T-Bone. HEM is even townier now, albeit I dislike how they're framing the logic against me unfairly regarding "which is debatable" which I just referred to. I think dave is townie for their entrance into today. Ranger is town for what they did. Leaving drew, naerys and STD

[JacksonVirgo]

I think Ranger clearly showed herself to be scum. We should voter her

Why would scum choose to doom two of their slots instead of one?

[JacksonVirgo]

Couldn't help myself

In regards to my reads shifting given that flip. My reads are the same regarding gob and ganski. Black inverted itself. I still like T-Bone. HEM is even townier now, albeit I dislike how they're framing the logic against me unfairly regarding "which is debatable" which I just referred to. I think dave is townie for their entrance into today. Ranger is town for what they did. Leaving drew, naerys and STD as the general null bracket

EBWOP

[JacksonVirgo]

It's very much not the most logical play

[JacksonVirgo]

It would mean they risk getting chain-limmed, how is that logical?

[JacksonVirgo]

Lets talk about something more important.

JacksonVirgo what do you think about davesaz and Drew and the possibility they could be a team together??

I don't have thoughts about a dave/drew team. I think dave is town, and drew exists also

[JacksonVirgo]

I really don't have thoughts on that team, if I were to talk it would be forced out and I don't like that so I'm not going to

[JacksonVirgo]

Individually, I liked dave's entrance into today. I'm a little apprehensive because I don't want to be town-reading for the wrong reasons again but the way they came into today, specifically the talk about noticing what Dann meant, felt like something that scum just wouldn't say. I'm trying to think about it more in my head with different ways of looking at it like is it just because scum wouldn't think to say it? No, they could but like why? It's possible they're trying to seem like they're so townie and pushed against the masonry claim. I'd have to check and try and find the point where he realised

[JacksonVirgo]

Just looked back and actually, no dave is like INCREDIBLY townie

[JacksonVirgo]

who I think looks scummy on the surface, but in actuality is pretty towny

Can you elaborate on this? Both sides of this statement

[JacksonVirgo]

Regarding dave, he states his intent to hammer 15 mins before the day ends. 3 minutes later comes in with a hammer, which feels unnaturally paced so that's for sure where his realisation lies. He also then mentions Dann and says its on Dann if this is green, which I felt was weird at the time and didn't understand it but no that makes total sense