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Whoops, I thought this was going to start 48 hours from the message >.<
Hello! I'm Nora, this is my first game on this site. I've previously played mafia on discord, but I imagine this will be quite different because of the phase lengths and the forum style posting. 7 days is a lot. o.O Where I play we have 24 or 48 hour days and we usually just hammer within a couple of hours haha.
I've been using the mafiascumwiki quite frequently so I thought it'd be neat to join a game here. Excited to play with you all!-
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I thinkBingleis a member of the mafia ^^-
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This was meant to be a vote lol
VOTE: Bingle
Are all 7 days usually played out? I was assuming notIn post 36, Gypyx wrote:
We could hammer in the next couple hours if people weren't such cowardsIn post 34, Nora. wrote: Whoops, I thought this was going to start 48 hours from the message >.<
Hello! I'm Nora, this is my first game on this site. I've previously played mafia on discord, but I imagine this will be quite different because of the phase lengths and the forum style posting. 7 days is a lot. o.O Where I play we have 24 or 48 hour days and we usually just hammer within a couple of hours haha.
I've been using the mafiascumwiki quite frequently so I thought it'd be neat to join a game here. Excited to play with you all!
If you could hammer someone right now, who would it be? Leek?-
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I'm now realizing that was a leading question ^^'-
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Makes sense!!
Er not really, no, your vote when cast seemed like a joke obviously but in my experience the "random voting stage" usually lasts an hour or two and your vote has stuck for 12 so my brain classified it as having developed into a legit suspicion
I will probably need to get used to the pacing here, apologies >.>-
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oooh this is a really creative readIn post 87, Gypyx wrote:
we agree that town rarely wants to fabricate thoughts that they don't actually have right? At most they play up their reads for getting reactions and stuffIn post 81, Bingle wrote:
Hm. Why do you think wanting to progress game but not being sure how is a scum trait?In post 79, Gypyx wrote: oh ok that, i misphrased it
You would notice that i corrected myself afterwards
if they don't have anything, such as during RVS, they need to fish, which is extremely different from actually expressing a read
and, an easy way for scum to stumble is to try to express reads that don't actually have any substance behind them since "we're in RVS i need to push the game fowards that's what i would do"
Obviously they're aware of it so an easy way to do it is in the shape of jokes / undermine themselves / whatever, but them mindset stays here-
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Who is your townread? Is it gob?In post 90, Bellaphant wrote: Ok, talk to me about leek and Nora? I have one tr and it isn't either of them.-
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Uhm sorry if this an unfair read or too nitpicky but in your previous post you seemed like you were new to the 7-day phase scene but here you're speaking as if you know what it's like to play in a game like this and what to expect going forward. So I'm thinking if this indicates you've been talking to a wolf buddy maybe who told you a bit about it. Your join date is also recent and you asked what the L word was...so... ^^' @gob what do you think?In post 72, NotAScum wrote:
It gets boring really fast. After some initial posting, there can be some pretty long period of inactivity. Games should run at a little faster pace.In post 61, gob wrote:why wouldnt we use all the time provided to us?
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No I just didn't consider an angle like that haha. Where I play the D1s are just shooting randomly in the dark so I never thought about looking at different ways of approaching RVS-
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I'm convincing myself that Bingle and Leek could be partners based off Bingle's defence of them. What do you think?-
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I'm also wary of NAS now ^^'-
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Leading question, your honor But no lol, I was just impressed. Talked about it in my next post ^^In post 111, Aureal wrote:
Creative? Does that mean you think it's made-up?In post 98, Nora. wrote:
oooh this is a really creative readIn post 87, Gypyx wrote:
we agree that town rarely wants to fabricate thoughts that they don't actually have right? At most they play up their reads for getting reactions and stuffIn post 81, Bingle wrote:
Hm. Why do you think wanting to progress game but not being sure how is a scum trait?In post 79, Gypyx wrote: oh ok that, i misphrased it
You would notice that i corrected myself afterwards
if they don't have anything, such as during RVS, they need to fish, which is extremely different from actually expressing a read
and, an easy way for scum to stumble is to try to express reads that don't actually have any substance behind them since "we're in RVS i need to push the game fowards that's what i would do"
Obviously they're aware of it so an easy way to do it is in the shape of jokes / undermine themselves / whatever, but them mindset stays here-
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I think Willow is a townie. Call it a gut read, but I think they believe what they're saying. I like post 121 especially.-
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What's up? Let's talkIn post 108, NotAScum wrote:
I'm also wary of Nora. now ^^'In post 105, Nora. wrote: I'm also wary of NAS now ^^'-
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Usually when my scumreads get ignored they are correct lol, and when my pushes gain traction it ends up flipping town >.> In a new environment where I know no one my pushes being ignored is probably NAI.In post 149, Bingle wrote: @Nora:
What do you think of literally no one following up on your scumread of me and gypyx specifically ignoring it?
Do you think ‘creative’ reads/lines of thought are inherently scummy, towny, NAI, or need to be judged on a case by case? If the last, what do you think about this one and why?
gypyx themself have seemed very townie to me though. They are being aggressive and to-the-point with their posts and there's this investigative tone to them, in a way that I find hard for wolves to replicate for fear of standing out too much. I don't think a wolf would want to invite others to sus them by being rude and forthright with everyone (uhm not rude in a bad sense but like...how do I put it lol, their posts all sound slightly angry).
...well this might be my inexperience with long form forum mafia showing. I usually start looking for connections early.In post 160, SzmarzLeek wrote:
that's a very naive thought to makeIn post 104, Nora. wrote: I'm convincing myself that Bingle and Leek could be partners based off Bingle's defence of them. What do you think?
I don't like that you had this thought
scumreading me is fine, but pointing at partnership so early seems sus to me, especially based on such situation
I think you rather stay quiet/slight sus about your partner in a 2-scum game-
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Woww haha I hate this post. Looks like an intentional derp attemptIn post 162, SzmarzLeek wrote:
I actually wanted to pressure you for this post but I realized you're a confirmed townieIn post 61, gob wrote:
why wouldnt we use all the time provided to us?In post 59, NotAScum wrote: 7 days per in-game day? 48 hours per in-game day is the norm where I use to play but even then it feels too slow. I hope you guys don't plan to wait till the end of the day to vote out.
Also what is the L-word? Is it a 5 letter word that ends with 'h'?
Bit of a sussy post here-
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Though I'd appreciate thoughts on NAS because I think they might have scumslipped earlier unless I'm crazy-
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Realistically I think I'll just sheep Gob at the end of the day but it's nice to keep prodding in different directions in the meantime I think ^^-
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Yeah an explanation like that would've made a fair amount of sense IMO but they just ignored it entirely lolIn post 177, Little Will o' Wisp wrote:
You mean how he is new to the site, but had an idea of how games here usually go?In post 174, Nora. wrote: Though I'd appreciate thoughts on NAS because I think they might have scumslipped earlier unless I'm crazy
I was under the impression he just read some games before creating his account, but it bothers me he never defended himself by saying that.-
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whoops sorry about that re:pronouns, ill be more careful!!In post 180, Gypyx wrote:In post 171, Nora. wrote:
Usually when my scumreads get ignored they are correct lol, and when my pushes gain traction it ends up flipping town >.> In a new environment where I know no one my pushes being ignored is probably NAI.In post 149, Bingle wrote: @Nora:
What do you think of literally no one following up on your scumread of me and gypyx specifically ignoring it?
Do you think ‘creative’ reads/lines of thought are inherently scummy, towny, NAI, or need to be judged on a case by case? If the last, what do you think about this one and why?
gypyx themself have seemed very townie to me though. They are being aggressive and to-the-point with their posts and there's this investigative tone to them, in a way that I find hard for wolves to replicate for fear of standing out too much. I don't think a wolf would want to invite others to sus them by being rude and forthright with everyone (uhm not rude in a bad sense but like...how do I put it lol, their posts all sound slightly angry).
...In post 160, SzmarzLeek wrote:
that's a very naive thought to makeIn post 104, Nora. wrote: I'm convincing myself that Bingle and Leek could be partners based off Bingle's defence of them. What do you think?
I don't like that you had this thought
scumreading me is fine, but pointing at partnership so early seems sus to me, especially based on such situation
I think you rather stay quiet/slight sus about your partner in a 2-scum gamewell this might be my inexperience with long form forum mafia showing.I usually start looking for connections early.this made me laugh but also i gotta admit i'm not doing very good mentally so that probably explains the mildly angry at everything vibes you've picked up
Why are you folding to leeks's affirmation on how you should be playing the game?
please avoid using neutral pronous when referring to me also, thanks
I mean idk, I'm taking this as a learning experience for me so I don't mind a couple of pointers here and there, regardless of Leek's own alignment. Besides, them getting all defensive about me pairing Bingle/them in an outwardly manner makes me now think they are most definitely NOT w/w lol-
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This is circular reasoning lolIn post 184, Little Will o' Wisp wrote: I'd think scum would try to avoid doing the behavior they're scum reading people for. Is this wrong?-
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UNVOTE: NotAScum
mm I just realized something maybe they are not actually scummy. I agree with Willow-
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In post 224, SzmarzLeek wrote:
I still think this is the scummiest post of the game so farIn post 104, Nora. wrote: I'm convincing myself that Bingle and Leek could be partners based off Bingle's defence of them. What do you think?
like, some of you called some of my thoughts shallow, but they're deep like the ocean compared to that Nora's post
it really feels like a forced way to contribute
I also feel a bit opposition in the thread on Nora's push, higher than expected
why do you keep beating the dead horse? x_x I've already explained my playstyle is contingent on fast-paced games where even in 24 hr Days we usually hammer within a few hours. Obviously there will be a difference in approaches but I think I am adapting well?In post 225, SzmarzLeek wrote: Nora, what does the form of the game have to do with it? You played Discord games, right? What's the connection between forum and non-forum games and finding connections?
Do you really believe that in a 2 scum game, one scum would defend another so blatantly in d1?
This really isn't sitting well with me because I feel I'm somewhat of an easy push here and scum can get away with pushing for my miselim without garnering much blame for it because they can say they misread me on playstyle
VOTE: SzmarzLeek
And before you say it, this isn't just mindless omgus, I am evaluating your push on me and it doesn't feel sincere >.> It feels like you are trying to think of random things to push and running out of content so you keep circling back to one thing-
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UNVOTE: szmarzLeek
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IIoA?In post 212, Bingle wrote: I do get some bad vibes off of 181, it feels like he's a little IIoA there-
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Gob --> Gypyx --> Willow --> NAS --> Bingle --> Aureal --> Bella --> SzmarzLeek
Gypyx has continued to be townie I think and small things like pointing out the inconsistency in post 2018 is exactly what I meant when I said they have an investigative air to them. I don't necessary think it's a big deal that NAS changed their stance on Bella given gob's meta read in post 207, but once again I am just vibing with that mindset
Willow is slightly less townier than earlier but it might just be recency bias cos most of their posts that I liked were from early on and it hasnt really been quite as consistent ^^'
@NotAScum earlier you said you thought I was scummy, but you didn't elaborate, so could you maybe talk some more about that? Thanks
The only reason Bingle is placed before Aureal is because I think that Bingle is trying to engage with the game whereas Aureal seems to be messing around mostly-
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Partner strategies are different in faster games yes because imo trigger-happy villagers are more hostile and unpredictable. If I'm scum in a fast game like that I usually panic when my partners get pushed and immediately try to push elsewhere and defend them, because momentum is key in those games and the moment momentum catches on, the game snowballs and it's hard to turn things around. Does that make sense?In post 237, SzmarzLeek wrote:
This is not what I'm asking about. You're literally avoiding answers. We're not talking being adjusted to modes.In post 232, Nora. wrote: why do you keep beating the dead horse? x_x I've already explained my playstyle is contingent on fast-paced games where even in 24 hr Days we usually hammer within a few hours. Obviously there will be a difference in approaches but I think I am adapting well?
1. I played a lot of games in 24h mode myself. Why partner strategies would be any different compared to 7 day games?
2. Do you really think that scum would be defending their partner, and that's how you reached this SvS thought?
And I've already clarified that I no longer think you and Bingle are ever teamed now, so your second question feels redundant. I wasn't really thinking about how scumplay would be different in a long game like this and that's my bad, I just went with instinct, but youre probably correct that they would want to distance a little bit and not be too blatant.
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218*In post 239, Nora. wrote: the inconsistency in post 2018-
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Mm...no one but Bingle has explicitly said I'mIn post 238, SzmarzLeek wrote: And how are you an easy push, Nora, if nobody except me suspects you it seems?notscummy either-
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Oh makes sense, ty!!In post 235, Gypyx wrote: information instead of analysis-
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Oh you can NOT be for real right now... x_x Yes, you asked the question three times but I responded all three ways in the exact same way. I never dodged the question or gave a dismissive responseIn post 248, SzmarzLeek wrote: but overall, I think Nora is sus
sole fact that I had to ask three times to get a proper answer, makes me think she really made a scummy post and wanted to dismiss the matter
we should've gotten that answer during my first push on that post
Here's my response to the first time you asked:
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...well this might be my inexperience with long form forum mafia showing. I usually start looking for connections early.In post 160, SzmarzLeek wrote: that's a very naive thought to make
I don't like that you had this thought
scumreading me is fine, but pointing at partnership so early seems sus to me, especially based on such situation
I think you rather stay quiet/slight sus about your partner in a 2-scum game
This is a complete answer. Here's my most recent response to the same question when you kept repeating it:
Those two responses by me. Are the exact same. I just elaborated in the latter. Surely you see that. xDIn post 232, Nora. wrote: why do you keep beating the dead horse? x_x I've already explained my playstyle is contingent on fast-paced games where even in 24 hr Days we usually hammer within a few hours. Obviously there will be a difference in approaches but I think I am adapting well?
VOTE: SzmarzLeek
Your treatment of me aside, I don't like the rest of your 'process' either:
hedgy read and says nothingIn post 247, SzmarzLeek wrote: and after some consideration, NotAScum might be scum too
he's posting stuff that would be suicidal for scum, that's true
but I really struggle to find a towny thought process between "let's look for scum in actives" to "inactivity is scummy"
you can change your mind based on someone's posts but changing the way you look for scum in 24 hours? we're getting too farfetched there imo
I've already explained why this makes no sense to me x_xIn post 248, SzmarzLeek wrote: but overall, I think Nora is sus
sole fact that I had to ask three times to get a proper answer, makes me think she really made a scummy post and wanted to dismiss the matter
we should've gotten that answer during my first push on that post
hedge again, says basically nothingIn post 249, SzmarzLeek wrote: Aureal is playing bad for both town and scum
she's a decent town, I played with her a bit, guess her scum game wouldn't be as bad as it is here, too?
I don't like the approach to just come into the thread and sus your opponent though
but I think she deserves another day
In post 250, SzmarzLeek wrote: Bella's lim imo is 75% chance of a miss, I would say 3 out of 4 times people who don't give a damn are town
Don't understand the confidence here. I'd be interested to hear what the new replacement thinks of this stance @Doctor Drew (someone please help me figure out how pings work xD) - from your point of view, do you think your slot had done anything worth the confidence above? I personally find it hard to believe SzmarzLeek hasn't come across slanking scum and rwstfo driven players before. Slanking players are >rand in terms of alignment imo...and meta reads on specific players can skew those chances one way or another.
Again, a hedgy read that commits to nothingIn post 252, SzmarzLeek wrote:as for Bingle, they're kinda positioned in the middle of the thread, which is a comfortable spot for scum (not a low hanging fruit, not into leadership), but could also be a NAI for players who generally perform such plastyle in both factions
Your posts on everybody (with the exception of myself >.>) sound like commentary from a spectator rather than opinions coming from a player... It's like youre aggressively trying to present objective-sounding takes-
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why not? ._.
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One thing of note is that leek's wagon kept cropping up during various points in the Day yesterday, and at one point I unknowingly put them at R-1 for a second too... Despite being in contention all day they actually die. I think this indicates scum tried to save them all day by proposing counter wagons and why would they try to save leek unless leek is one of them. ?_?
To explain this better, it's like, leek was a topic of conversation for the bulk of the day while also posting a fair bit and being scummy so the fact that they survived makes me think they are not alone. And yeah, Aureal or Drew could be the partner that saved them. Bingle's vote feels apathetic enough
(I fully expect that leek is now going to come after me for team building again >.> but I dont care)-
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gob and gypyx what do you think of leek right now?-
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@Doctor Drew have you caught up with the game?-
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ebwop >.>In post 341, Nora. wrote: Despite being in contention all day they didnt actually die-
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>.> Nvm lol i was kinda hoping you’d just say yes and I’d catch you in an epic gotcha there cuz your vote on Leek seems to be “following the will of NAS” but if you read the game NAS’s read on Leek kept changing super frequently: it went from “kinda eh” to “convinced they’re scum” to “maybe they’re a villager” to “they’re scummy again” so while you make it sound like this was NAS’s one solid read and dying legacy, they were actually rather conflicted throughout.In post 345, Doctor Drew wrote:
Not really, is there something important I should be briefed about?In post 343, Nora. wrote: @Doctor Drew have you caught up with the game?
I guess my question to you is why do you assume following NAS’s vote is the best course of action? Usually in my experience you’d listen to the votes of the Night Killed villagers, not the day executed ones. What makes you think NAS would’ve been on the mark here?
Don’t get me wrong I think Leek is probably a wolf too, but I don’t understand why you would sheep the executed villager over someone like Gob who is confirmed and alive and solving and slightly more informed than the rest of us…? Since all you’re doing is sheeping a read atm (correct me if I’m wrong)-
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Apathetic to the wagons I mean… in a world where Leek is scum I would expect the partner to either defend them by voting the counter wagon or to bus them when they seemed like a lost cause (referring to all those times leek was top wagon) for maximum town cred. Staying on a vanity wagon seems counter intuitive to both those causes while also making you stand out weirdly… Does that make sense?
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Majority is 4 and I don’t really want to get any wagon to R-2 >.> we can imagine my vote on leek. Why are you in a rush?In post 360, Gypyx wrote: Hey Nora how about you go and place a vote on someone-
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I don’t think I’ll place a vote unless gob gives me the go ahead lol-
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Leek hasn’t even spoken yet, it’s really bad for us to hammer regardless of leek’s alignment. If they are scum we want them to give us more info before we kill tjem. If they are town we want them to have a chance of defending themself and/or finding the scum for a legacy…-
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Originally it was leek’s strong reaction to the mere insinuation that you could be paired that led to me to discard the read for the most part, ironically xD I think scum very rarely react like that to a correct callout when it comes to pairings. And then there’s the wagons from yesterday which I have already explained ^^In post 373, Bingle wrote:
I think you're saying you're pretty sure me and leek aren't S/S, but what I want to know is what that does for your actual desires. Do you think me or leek is more likely to be scum? Do you think it has to be one of us, or could we both be town? What prompted the thought originally?In post 361, Nora. wrote:Apathetic to the wagons I mean… in a world where Leek is scum I would expect the partner to either defend them by voting the counter wagon or to bus them when they seemed like a lost cause (referring to all those times leek was top wagon) for maximum town cred. Staying on a vanity wagon seems counter intuitive to both those causes while also making you stand out weirdly… Does that make sense?
And yeah leek is likelier to be scum in my eyes purely because I dislike the way they approached my slot. Sure you COULD be both town but I would probably call you a difference check in that I would be very very surprised if you/leek is a pure group. And um I literally can’t defend this statement btw it’s literally just gut… xD-
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Uhm i will be rly rly annoyed if my reluctance towards an early hammer becomes grounds on which i am pushed later in the event of a leek red flip. I’ll just point out that I’ve been on their case since yesterday and im now nervous that you’re setting something up here >.>In post 377, Doctor Drew wrote:
The fact that there is discussion around the vote, Gypyx getting angry about it and you hemming and hawing about not ending the day before they show up, could be something depending on a possible flip.-
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Gob i saw your theory on the wagons but i dont want to vote bingle today if they can easily be potentially cleared if we just kill leek first, and gypyx is just town imo…
And of course im town
My main question ig would be, does the mafia here really even think about wagons when making the night kill? In a mountainous setup, sure, but in a setup with power roles shouldn’t the main priority for mafia be to…kill the power roles? Like, regardless of wagon things?-
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oh hello @Enchant
I think you are mafia
what do you have to say about that? ^^-
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wait, the factional is not compulsive?In post 463, Bingle wrote:
I mean, my stance is that Bingle never kills will last night. I make the mech optimal gob kill or the fun optimal no kill.In post 462, Gypyx wrote: not asking you to vote, just wanna see a stance from you
probably doesnt matter here though, but in setups with roleblockers that would be a gamechanger
but i do agree that hitting the IC n1 is ideal because you either kill them instantly or ensure they are dead by n2 at the latest-
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ok vote for me then xD whys your vote still on gypyx (another villager)In post 475, Enchant wrote: lmao Nora mafia-
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bingle is trending up for me too, i kinda buy their argument about the NK even if it could easily be wifom-
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voting against your reads to blatantly try and appease the IC? check
refusing to answer a simple question and deflecting it? check
mindless omgus? check
you can die
add to this you also sound pissed at being found right as youve subbed in xD
@gob im voting enchant-
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i did not say i hate you, i said youre a wolf >.>
sheeping the IC is not bad in isolation, but refusing to call this self preservation and instead justifying it as 'sheeping the clear' with no other thoughts is really a look to be sure
VOTE: Enchant-
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err can we still talk after hammer? >.>-
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coz now i...-
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i think i messed up and im just going to leave
so sorry-
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W/e
It’s probably like, aureal/Drew or something-
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Bingle maybe. I forgot why I thought there was one in leek/bingle >.>-
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Still don’t agree on gypyx being one. But I’ll actually reread their posts at one point to reaffirm this instead of going off vibes and live interaction ig-
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enchant continuing to solve and not open wolfing after hammer is a town claim… unless they are trolling but I think they’re being genuine >.>-
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Do you not agree?-
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@gypyx quick, reply before thread closes-
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Once again I am asking for someone to teach me how to ping…-
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