Open 913 - This Game Started as an April Fools' Joke - Postgame

[ketchup777]

i'll save confusion for now by saying i'm definitely voting for Black on day 1

why not follow through?

[ketchup777]

I don’t think the team is Enchant/OD.

Elements scrutinising Daisy earlier doesn’t feel like something they would bus each other as friends if they rolled scum together. And Elements would probably have been more active here when rolling scum with her friend Daisy would be fun.

[ketchup777]

whaddya think halfasleep

[ketchup777]

i'll save confusion for now by saying i'm definitely voting for Black on day 1

why not follow through?

cause that was a joke post and there were much scummier slots in the game by the end of the day.

unless you mean right at that moment and that was just cause i didn't fancy using votes at the start of the game cause it felt against the spirit of the setup

yeah ok I believe it

[ketchup777]

Not likely to vote outside of Black/HA right now.

[ketchup777]

(i voted awesomeming if we're claiming votes)

heya can you remember if you’d read anything beyond the flips before posting this halfasleep?

[ketchup777]

{halfasleep; ketchup; Daisy; Enchant}

I think both scum are in this group

but what if there were only 1 scum

I suck at balance but I don't think 2 scum in a 14 player game makes any sense at all

didn’t you like read the setup

{halfasleep; ketchup; Daisy; Enchant}

I think both scum are in this group

but what if there were only 1 scum

I suck at balance but I don't think 2 scum in a 14 player game makes any sense at all

You know setup open right?

Nope

nope, I don’t believe it. I refuse to believe it

[ketchup777]

The title of this game:

Open

913…

[ketchup777]

When you load up the first page of this game, even if you somehow miss the big bold title saying Open…, there’s a nice blue colourful 'Open 913' and a line saying the setup is C9++

[ketchup777]

Or are you going to tell us you never looked at the first page of the game Black.

I guess I’ll pose it as a question.

did you ever look at the opening post of this game, Black, or did you just skim past it every time?

[ketchup777]

I mean...

People can't read modpost sometimes. And it happens every game which is more complex than mountainous.

I await blacks answer, best to hear it from the lion‘s mouth (:

[ketchup777]

Just look at me.

I thought votes will be revealed at end of day.

Yeah but that’s fair because that does actually involve reading the game notes and stuff. Which, well, I hope people would do, but I can see yours being an easy misassumed misconception. Realising the setup is open is a LOT easier

[ketchup777]

It’s a nice simple question for Black so hopefully she quickly comes to a nice simple answer. and we can force her into more lies and lies and eventually she might crack

[ketchup777]

Okay and how i supposed to flaunt my intelligence.

idk scumcase someone or something (:

[ketchup777]

When you load up the first page of this game, even if you somehow miss the big bold title saying Open…, there’s a nice blue colourful 'Open 913' and a line saying the setup is C9++

Or are you going to tell us you never looked at the first page of the game Black.

I guess I’ll pose it as a question.

did you ever look at the opening post of this game, Black, or did you just skim past it every time?

I would say about 90% of the time I'm signing up for a game I don't know what type of game I'm signing up for. And yeah it's pretty common for me to overlook small details like that

ok yeah so you didn't look properly at the opening post once? just checking i haven't got something wrong in my head

still mulling which alignment that makes you

[ketchup777]

i am genuinely sorry if you are town black. i'm trying my best

[ketchup777]

When you load up the first page of this game, even if you somehow miss the big bold title saying Open…, there’s a nice blue colourful 'Open 913' and a line saying the setup is C9++

Or are you going to tell us you never looked at the first page of the game Black.

I guess I’ll pose it as a question.

did you ever look at the opening post of this game, Black, or did you just skim past it every time?

I would say about 90% of the time I'm signing up for a game I don't know what type of game I'm signing up for. And yeah it's pretty common for me to overlook small details like that

ok yeah so you didn't look properly at the opening post once? just checking i haven't got something wrong in my head

still mulling which alignment that makes you

this is not a rhetorical question and i also mean it in the least offensive way possible. if you answer it'll be the end of my questioning for now i think and i'll try to come around to you as town if so be it

[ketchup777]

VOTE: half

i could come round to this but will be sad on black/daisy pairing

[ketchup777]

@Ketchup
@Black
@imag

Vote half

VOTE: half
to show support
but not set in stone. today i won't ask for a fast night lol

[ketchup777]

Where we voting Daisy

You're one of the only players in the game I like rn

what happened to

I think Daisy is definitely scum. There's a chance halfasleep isn't her partner but we can cross that bridge later

[ketchup777]

UNVOTE:

[ketchup777]

Where we voting Daisy

You're one of the only players in the game I like rn

what happened to

I think Daisy is definitely scum. There's a chance halfasleep isn't her partner but we can cross that bridge later

I'm cooperating with Daisy because I like her, not because I think she's town

you realise scum!her will betray you come night and secretly vote against the leading wagon if it's town?

[ketchup777]

When you load up the first page of this game, even if you somehow miss the big bold title saying Open…, there’s a nice blue colourful 'Open 913' and a line saying the setup is C9++

Or are you going to tell us you never looked at the first page of the game Black.

I guess I’ll pose it as a question.

did you ever look at the opening post of this game, Black, or did you just skim past it every time?

I would say about 90% of the time I'm signing up for a game I don't know what type of game I'm signing up for. And yeah it's pretty common for me to overlook small details like that

ok yeah so you didn't look properly at the opening post once? just checking i haven't got something wrong in my head

still mulling which alignment that makes you

Define "properly"

I looked over it for specific mechanics but I didn't pay any attention to the C9+ stuff

What specific mechanics do you mean, and whenabouts?

by properly idk i am just dying to know how you can look at the opening post and not notice we are in open setup, so i assumed you didn't look at it? like when you looking for whose flipped come new day i assume your go-to is the thread not checking the opening post?

[ketchup777]

I've always been way more into the social aspect of Mafia than the mechanic side

that's fair. if you are telling the truth here i hope to catch that before today is over

[ketchup777]

I've always been way more into the social aspect of Mafia than the mechanic side

that's fair. if you are telling the truth here i hope to catch that before today is over

You said you would drop it after one more question but alas here we are

yeah sorry i think that might actually be it for now now

[ketchup777]

i dont wanna vote enchant

[ketchup777]

Who knows. Maybe imag SK and we not winning anyway.

Why take it seriously

imag has conditioned himself into being shot tonight, if he is 1-shot bulletproof and no kills are submitted tonight we just no-lim and repeat.

[ketchup777]

pedit: oops soz

[ketchup777]

not a pedit but ykwim

[ketchup777]

i dont wanna vote enchant

I sheep you

Whatever

yeah i think we need to navigate this together. If OD scum, voting her works. If OD town, we need to vote HA because of her refusing to budge. So we need to find which is town. i think getting black through today is too hard

sorry for quote lol

[ketchup777]

ahhhh this is hard

[ketchup777]

i sympathise heavily with you enchant and would like to navigate this through logic and not dumb grudges

i think getting black through today needs HA town and then we may as well vote daisy

so i will try my hardest to work out which of ha/od it is

[ketchup777]

I'm down to vote HA or Daisy. Just let me know what ya'll decide

4:44:44 mmmmm

i dip and come back later

[ketchup777]

mess

[ketchup777]

poop

[ketchup777]

help bring divine intervention

[ketchup777]

im wrong on you black arent i

[ketchup777]

why in the hell would scum enchant even be upset at you sheeping me. that wins us the game!!!!

I don't really think it's the world we live in but I've read some of your interactions as possible theatre. I agree that if it's just you/him then Enchant doesn't need to back of HA and vote you, but I'm not convinced Enchant will actually stay there

i am most confident on the pairing not being enchant/daisy nor enchant/black

[ketchup777]

elements and daisy are friends and would've played it differently

[ketchup777]

Ketchup what do you think the likelihood of ha/enchant is

idk how to quantify it but fwiw enchant is my strongest townread by a long shot. but if enchant is scum, i think it's with HA

[ketchup777]

infact, to make it clear,

i won't compromise on enchant today under any circumstances.

[ketchup777]

prodge but i'll be reading and giving my thoughts tomorrow. unexpectedly busy weekend.

i look forward to it! i think i had some outstanding (in both terms of the word (; ) questions for you so if you could answer those as you go along that'd be great. then i'd be interested in your reads on everyone and who you'd be willing to flip. see you soon

[ketchup777]

infact, to make it clear,

i won't compromise on enchant today under any circumstances.

i forgor me being pivoted to is a potential thing but even then i think either me or enchant is game-losing and would go down fighting to take out someone else

[ketchup777]

experience has been executed. They were a

Vanilla Townie

.

It is now Night 3. The night deadline is in (expired on 2024-05-16 14:01:06).

The night can end early if all living players request it. Night actions and fast night requests are to be submitted privately.

4 days left by the way. cos its hard to find this

[ketchup777]

For me game is solved, mafia daisy+half.

oh ok that simplifies things

[ketchup777]

VOTE: daisy

[ketchup777]

enchant pools ha/daisy
daisy wants ha
black thinks me and enchant are town so pools ha/daisy
ha is forced to self-defend vote daisy
imag dies

i guess it's going to come down to me having to guess the right one of ha/daisy if they're not both scum
ahhhhh

i'll try my hardest

[ketchup777]

daisy is not enchant's partner but ha could be
either could be black's partner

as today's lim will be between daisy/ha, i need to assume one of black/enchant is scum for today and work out their likeliest partner, and vote out that partner

hmmm

[ketchup777]

yeah i think that makes sense

[ketchup777]

Hi everyone! I have something to share with you

I am a cop, and I have a guilty on Cat Scratch Fever

big if true. idk if you're the kinda player to lie about that but i'd vote there if you genuinely have one.

I still don’t like this post. Feels like Daisy was just showing support for the sake of showing support. For you should obviously vote CSF if there is a redcheck. Why feel the need to say you’d vote there bar making yourself look good?

[ketchup777]

yeah I think I’m leaning a daisy lim here

[ketchup777]

Why was the initial reaction to Light‘s redcheck 'if true' and 'if you genuinely have one'? Feels like some intuition discrediting+doubt spreading as opposed to:

Hi everyone! I have something to share with you

I am a cop, and I have a guilty on Cat Scratch Fever

Dope

[ketchup777]

initial*

[ketchup777]

i think im as confident as ill get

will fast night now even tho it wont go through and reminder the plan is

vote daisy

[ketchup777]

catching up

I don’t think the team is Enchant/OD.

Elements scrutinising Daisy earlier doesn’t feel like something they would bus each other as friends if they rolled scum together. And Elements would probably have been more active here when rolling scum with her friend Daisy would be fun.

i don't think it was intended as a real bus since the whole sequence ends with them 'townreading' each other. i don't have the experience with either player to speculate based on their friendship, and elements wasn't particularly inactive early the thread. she seemed pretty engaged with the game during those (imo) svs interactions.

Hmmmm maybe. I don’t think so but idk

It’s a nice simple question for Black so hopefully she quickly comes to a nice simple answer. and we can force her into more lies and lies and eventually she might crack

i don't know what to make of the tone of this post. very over-the-top. urgh. please don't be scum after all ketchup because i have no idea who you might be partnered with.

me not scum
when I wrote it I thought I was cooking on something to take down black and I was trying to pressure her into answer my question asap but I think it turned out to be a dead end
at the rate today (tonight) has gone I think my only plausible partner is you. or maybe enchant. but it‘s not cos metown. (:

[ketchup777]

i won’t vote enchant tonight , appreciate your compromising

[ketchup777]

i can do enchant if it means i don't die tonight, happy to prove the ha/daisy world doesn't exist through that, but smth tells me the other 3 don't want that lmao

what happened to halfasleep till you die mentality

[ketchup777]

i can do enchant if it means i don't die tonight, happy to prove the ha/daisy world doesn't exist through that, but smth tells me the other 3 don't want that lmao

what happened to halfasleep till you die mentality

i figured out it was just HA/enchant + you've put me in a position where i don't really get to choose the lim i want, i just have to vote on any alternative

welp

[ketchup777]

you no fear me+ha?

[ketchup777]

i can do enchant if it means i don't die tonight, happy to prove the ha/daisy world doesn't exist through that, but smth tells me the other 3 don't want that lmao

what happened to halfasleep till you die mentality

Recognision that half can't do shit at elo.

FIRE

[ketchup777]

and like, again can i afford to fear that possibility anyways?

I made it clear I’m going to vote one of you two, why not try change my mind (and the thread‘s mind) to get us to pivot onto lockscum (HA from your POV) rather than town(if you’re town)?

[ketchup777]

i think we got one peoples

[ketchup777]

Imaginality is Schrödinger‘s cat

[ketchup777]

and like, again can i afford to fear that possibility anyways?

I made it clear I’m going to vote one of you two, why not try change my mind (and the thread‘s mind) to get us to pivot onto lockscum (HA from your POV) rather than town(if you’re town)?

Ketchup have you read the fucking thread. I tried so hard a couple days ago to make that happen, SO hard, and everything just reverted back to me getting voted again. You're too deep in Enchant's pocket and Black's paranoia on my slot just dooms me.

Like HA/me doesn't even make sense with the way I've played today just deathtunneling on my partner for no good reason but none of you care about that fact. It's just wifom apparently. So like, idk what I'm expected to do here to convince you, or Black.

I think everyone in the you/HA/Black trio has deathtunneled on their partner at this point

[ketchup777]

I wish we had resolved HA yesterday but here we are

[ketchup777]

Like if I'm scum here the moment black turns on me I turn on her we turn it into a 1v1 and with the support of you (who was hunting for a black lim) I just win with HA there.

maybe true, but skipping the lines of logic where you get exposed for your strong townread on black dissipating in seconds

[ketchup777]

Like if I'm scum here the moment black turns on me I turn on her we turn it into a 1v1 and with the support of you (who was hunting for a black lim) I just win with HA there.

maybe true, but skipping the lines of logic where you get exposed for your strong townread on black dissipating in seconds

the same argument can be used against black, who's read progression on me turned immensely quickly from the start of the day as well. i pointed that out myself lemme find the post.

true, but she brought that on seemingly out of nowhere, whereas you jumping on something would be opportunist

[ketchup777]

nah it's not about that tho, the progression from must lim ketchup to can we vote daisy has been so quick

^^^^

yet you do not go after black. Why?

[ketchup777]

Like if I'm scum here the moment black turns on me I turn on her we turn it into a 1v1 and with the support of you (who was hunting for a black lim) I just win with HA there.

maybe true, but skipping the lines of logic where you get exposed for your strong townread on black dissipating in seconds

the same argument can be used against black, who's read progression on me turned immensely quickly from the start of the day as well. i pointed that out myself lemme find the post.

true, but she brought that on seemingly out of nowhere, whereas you jumping on something would be opportunist

i guess but surely someone turning on you out of nowhere is like, the best motivation for a read to turn sideways? i feel like that's a believable progression.

it would not be a good way to sort me. before ElO I’ve never had much confidence in my reads, or, when I had, they’ve usually been wrong. pivoting nai

[ketchup777]

nah it's not about that tho, the progression from must lim ketchup to can we vote daisy has been so quick

^^^^

yet you do not go after black. Why?

i suppose like you with enchant i just strongly believe black is town in this game. going right back to the ming/br wagon situation i still believe black is town for being the one to shift the wagons, i think the pushes against black have been rubbish and not had great logic behind em, and i don't see scum!black choosing to go the route of: must lim ketchup -> turn onto daisy -> actually wait daisy's the player i personally like the most so i'm gonna sheep her -> actually nah she can go in the bin. it's just messy if scum innit, and if scum the only partner is HA from my POV.

messy but not impossible, yet you do not go for the common factor halfasleep now and stake everything on the solve being HA/Enchant, instead of casing Halfasleep or something? hm

[ketchup777]

where’s the secret button where I find out who’s town so I don’t annoy town by accusing them

[ketchup777]

oh that’s a cop and they’re dead frick

[ketchup777]

okok mb

[ketchup777]

okok

[ketchup777]

i just did the sickest trickshot flinging my trousers with my foot onto the top of a chair holy

[ketchup777]

im sorry if i wrong but I feel your current attitude is just "you’re wrong. wth" and not "I have enough time left in this deadline to show you why you’re wrong", and, if not the latter, maybe from an innate latent fear that I am not wrong and so finding evidence to disprove me will be hard, fabricated and time-consuming?

[ketchup777]

I do think your partner equity with HA went down a bit tho, if you are flailing to town!HA to secure one misvote to win

[ketchup777]

where’s the secret button where I find out who’s town so I don’t annoy town by accusing them

Mafia game should be banned as too toxic.

fr

it’s all good I am here to bring light and positivity

except there seems to be an emerging pattern of who I tunnel on begins to not like me

it’s unfortunate

[ketchup777]

maybe the secret is to never vote and initiate lurkmeta, finding out once and for all if a slot can make it to ElO without posting

(don’t try this at home kiddos)

[ketchup777]

im sorry if i wrong but I feel your current attitude is just "you’re wrong. wth" and not "I have enough time left in this deadline to show you why you’re wrong", and, if not the latter, maybe from an innate latent fear that I am not wrong and so finding evidence to disprove me will be hard, fabricated and time-consuming?

yea i mean kinda this. i've got one day left with my gf until i have to fly back to the uk for two months, and this night has took too much time away from that. it's not worth it because i think even if i could just point to how HA's points about me/enchant apply perfectly to her/enchant, and how enchant's antics switching to halfasleep for 1 microsecond before deciding nah daisy's the lim i want the game over and done with points DIRECTLY to ha/enchant with enchant knowing a HA lim prolongs the game and mine doesn't, people are set now i think.

i wanna go enjoy the time i have with my gf, rather than sit here on my laptop frantically trying to defend myself from an invevitable death. sorry.

aw ok yeah go enjoy grandad or is that godfather...GODFATHER?SCUMSLIP nah ok jkjk

are you familiar with enchant's meta? would you say this has been an unusual game from enchant?

[ketchup777]

I do think your partner equity with HA went down a bit tho, if you are flailing to town!HA to secure one misvote to win

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Flailing

check the bottom of this article, it's more scummy to accuse someone of flailing than to flail myself

sorry this isn't really a point i just love pulling out this article when someone accuses me of flailing

oop lol

[ketchup777]

Ohh shit.

Just thought of something scum could do if we are wrong about Daisy:

They could NK her. And then outvote us if we can't all vote for the same alternative player.

So, if Daisy flips town, who do we lim?
I would prefer Black in that scenario.

that's kinda smart actually

i'd have no preference between black/ha

[ketchup777]

No.

but what if

[ketchup777]

then again, if we are wrong on daisy scum presumably just let it play out and we merrily vote daisy and obliviously lose the game

[ketchup777]

however, not really any harm in settling on a backup lim to stop scum doing the funny

[ketchup777]

get better soon!

[ketchup777]

If scum kill Daisy I'll probably vote for HA

no probably, we need to consolidate in unity

but yes that’s good

[ketchup777]

too late, unlucky!

[ketchup777]

boop

[ketchup777]

2 of these players were scum D:

[ketchup777]

Quack

meow

A cat on the prowl? cats love killing birds

[ketchup777]

2 of these players were scum D:

You and who

nope
you and daisy?

[ketchup777]

2 of these players were scum D:

You and who

nope
you and daisy?

Ya better not misvote at elo.

you gotta beat me to the vote i guess

dw i will actually think about it

please kill me tomorrow night tho i got exams to revise for ):

[ketchup777]

it's ok enchant we were great together once we can be great together again
tho i feel one of us will be dead before ElO anyway

[ketchup777]

ahh ok fair enough

[ketchup777]

fun (:

[ketchup777]

if daisy scum and i was put into me/black/HA elo i was debating not voting if it seemed like they would vote for each other cos i wasn't confident on which it was lmao. but i suppose it has the same effect as choosing one randomly

[ketchup777]

i feel like this format has some legs. the difference in voting dynamics is interesting for sure. possibly would benefit from slightly shorter phases?

Like, 4-5 day nights? Maybe even 24-hour days? Most of the votes were submitted before the 24-hour mark iirc.
I could get behind shorter phases for this.

24 hour days sounds good, or maybe 36, or the option to ask for a fast day or something

[ketchup777]

it might be ha+elements instead of ha+exp

oops

[ketchup777]

anyone got any tips as to like, how i coulda played this game better? feels like i ended up in a situation where i coulda been partnered with most of the group and that made the final day super hard for me.

i think things would've been different if you'd hard pushed me as soon as you smelled a rat with my push on you. it felt like you kinda lost to inertia after i somehow wormed my way out of being the day 3 elimination.

yea it's a weird one tho cause in other games i've ended up locked onto players because they're pushing me for mid reasons when in reality they're town, so it's one of those where it's difficult to figure out if i should be trusting my sense of smell or not. i always seem to end up on the wrong side of it tho lmao

you were definitely right tho, trust yourself and maybe the confidence will show through (:

[ketchup777]

Spoiler:

I feel bad for Ketchup. He's doing all kinds of analysis in his notes PT about different 3p ELo scenarios, but little does he know, there won't even be a 3p ELo.

[ketchup777]

nah as a serious point though I think I’ve been approaching the games the wrong way. most times I was confident someone was scum early, they have not been.
when I come back here in a month or so I’ll try use this experience to help me improve

[ketchup777]

nah as a serious point though I think I’ve been approaching the games the wrong way. most times I was confident someone was scum early, they have not been.
when I come back here in a month or so I’ll try use this experience to help me improve

Don't stay gone too long please! <3

I actually have to revise for exams now but I’ll be back before you know it! (:

and next time I might actually townread you!

[ketchup777]

and next time I might actually townread you!

Doubt it

You caught the Scum Queen once and now you'll forever chase that rush

ahaha so true

Good luck on exams friend, see you soon hopefully

thanks : D