Open 300 - Mafia on Midol (Town Wins!)

[LlamaFluff]

So.

DH is probably town.

Lets move on now.

[DemonHybrid]

Claiming before I go: Vanilla Townie. Socio is my obvious top lynch. Think what you want.

[Fate]

Hey you're the one that got the wagon on his ass in no time flat.

I was really looking forward to your mislynch too..

Unvote:
Vote: Sudo_Nym

Ah well.

[Fate]

SPYREX! SPYREX! SPYREX!

Nacho is V/LA

I demand that SpyreX replace into a Town Slot that won't be killed anytime soon.

SPYREX!

SPYREX!
SPYREX!
SPYREX!
SPYREX!
SPYREX!
SPYREX!

[Thor665]

So.

DH is probably town.

Lets move on now.

This is why more people need to listen to me. Also, I really want to develop a rock star ego as part of my meta and it's darn hard without the needed worship.

Claiming before I go: Vanilla Townie. Socio is my obvious top lynch. Think what you want.

Hey you're the one that got the wagon on his Smurf in no time flat.

I was really looking forward to your mislynch too..

Unvote:
Vote: Sudo_Nym

Ah well.

Good posting.

[Sudo_Nym]

@DH: Is that supposed to be an argument, DH? The fact that there are people you haven't bad specious arguments against, or OMGUS voted doesn't change the fact that you've done exactly that, with Socio most recently. So I don't really get what point you're attempting to make, here.

You're point is that I tried to counterwagon everyone who disagreed with me, which is complete bullshit. My scumreads so far have been:

Fate, for sitting on the fence to vote me until PZ did
PZ, for an opportunistic vote on an obvious set-up that other people ignored or commented on but didn't bother to vote
Troll slightly, because of his first post, but has recently been okay.
Socio, for being dumb and saying that "I like the wagon, but I find you scummy for page 7" without explaining a thing and while keeping his vote on chkflip, saying that he likes his vote ambiguously (whether he meant that for his vote on chkflip or a vote for me that he didn't have is still up for discussion) and pushing a wagon, only jumping on when I note that he isn't even on the damn thing.

I have not suspected anyone else, though I've been reading closely.

That's certainly not "counterwagoning" "anyone who hones into my view".

Except all your reads are weak, at best, which certainly qualifies to the point I'm making- that you're grasping at straws. Your Fate read may as well be based on air; the PZ case is even worse. You claim that it was an "Obvious Setup to Catch Scum", which based on town reaction, it was not. Jumping on Troll for a basic Lynch All Lurkers post in RVS is super weak. And Socio had a number of good reasons why you're scummy, even if he didn't switch his vote until later. Hell, I find you scummy, and I'm not currently voting you, either. I fail to see how that affects the nature of the posts.

[Crazy]

Well, from my perspective that replacement request with the VT claim just upped my read on DH from "probably town" into "obviously town."

Claiming VT as scum right when he was about to be replaced would be such a dick move, don't you guys think? Do you really think DH-scum would do that?

***

Sudo, where do you get this?

And Socio had a number of good reasons why you're scummy, even if he didn't switch his vote until later.

[Punkin]

Remind me not to wagon people who are going to do

that

.

That

was annoying.

DH did drop some towntells in there. Nothing as compelling as Crazy is claiming. I don't think he was thinking clearly so making a "dick move" may be something he didn't think about in his desperation to keep the slot alive. This was interesting...

Troll slightly, because of his first post, but has recently been okay.

Zorb has made two posts. His first one, which DH "didn't like," and his second one, which was thirteen minutes later and consisted entirely of telling DH to go stuff himself. Then... nothing. So I guess DH finds not posting to be a towntell? Remember this if DH flips scum at some point, because Zorb looks bad in that case.

UNVOTE: DH
VOTE: Sudo_Nym

@Sudo:

Still comfortable with your RV, huh? You've done three things in this game: (1) lulz Cthulu (2) defend self (3) sling mud at the lead wagon candidate. Is this how you normally play as town?

@NS:

Please keep your vote in play. How many times am I going to have to say this to people?

I'm not explaining my townreads, Ythill style.

It was a rhetorical question.

[Nobody Special]

I will have real input tonight. When I'm not, you know, working.

"Real input" includes a vote. It would be shallow of me to vote right now without any reasoning or, you know, a case.

[Sudo_Nym]

Sudo, where do you get this?

And Socio had a number of good reasons why you're scummy, even if he didn't switch his vote until later.

The waters are muddied now, obviously, but at the time, DH was imploding, and Socio was doing a good job of pointing it out. I was impressed, at any rate.

UNVOTE: DH
VOTE: Sudo_Nym

@Sudo:

Still comfortable with your RV, huh? You've done three things in this game: (1) lulz Cthulu (2) defend self (3) sling mud at the lead wagon candidate. Is this how you normally play as town?

Yep. It's an RV, but I've not been too motivated to vote for anyone else, yet. I'd have voted DH, if he hadn't to L-2 so quickly. I'll UNVOTE: , if that helps you. I've been posting the best way I know how, which is to comment on what I see. Sometimes it's more useful than others. And technically, defending myself and slinging mud was largely the same target, so it's closer to two and half things. But in any event, I've yet to see anything else that sticks out enough to be worth commenting on, to be honest. It's still early in the game, and DH was the noise. Now it's time to look for a new signal, of course.

[Thor665]

@Sudo - how about you *gasp* go out on a limb and comment on...anything. You brought up suspecting DH but not wanting to vote him because too many people were voting him and that might mean the person you suspect would be lynched (a truly frightening thing) you, however, fail to clarify if you;

1. Still suspect him.
2. Still consider him voteworthy.
3. Have any opinion whatsoever on his implosion, claim, and replace request.

You could also claim scum, I could work with that.

[Punkin]

@NS:

Why the concern about looking shallow? Your vote now will provide info later. Loan it to a wagon, sheep someone you like, or even just RV again. Srsly.

@Sudo:

Now you too!?!

Newsflash... I got a NZ cop result on Not Voting, he's town. That wagon should crumble now.

[Sudo_Nym]

@Sudo - how about you *gasp* go out on a limb and comment on...anything. You brought up suspecting DH but not wanting to vote him because too many people were voting him and that might mean the person you suspect would be lynched (a truly frightening thing) you, however, fail to clarify if you;

1. Still suspect him.
2. Still consider him voteworthy.
3. Have any opinion whatsoever on his implosion, claim, and replace request.

You could also claim scum, I could work with that.

Suspecting a person, and lynching a person are two different things. I was 100% behind the wagon for sure, and you can put that on the record. But there was still discussion going on, and I wasn't prepared to put him at L-1 so early, while talks are still occuring. By no means do I believe in dragging a game out, but it is still very early in what is promising to be a long one. The replace request has muddied the waters, I admit, but it doesn't change my opinion that the slot is scummy, and whoever replaces DH will be tainted by his actions. Like I said, though, there are town tells, and the replacement certainly isn't condemned.

And for going on a limb and commenting at random- your sarcasm aside, wouldn't commenting on a thing I have no opinion on just make things less clear, by providing useless data? As town, it's my imperative to make sure that communication is clear and effective, is it not?

@NS:

Why the concern about looking shallow? Your vote now will provide info later. Loan it to a wagon, sheep someone you like, or even just RV again. Srsly.

@Sudo:

Now you too!?!

Newsflash... I got a NZ cop result on Not Voting, he's town. That wagon should crumble now.

I don't agree with that. Any vote I make at the moment would be meaningless, because I wouldn't have the confidence in it for it to be useful. It would be tacitly misleading to vote for a person, if I'm not prepared for it to go to a lynch.

[Nobody Special]

Punkin, don't tell me how to play, thx.

Vote: Punkin

Happy?

[Crazy]

@Sudo - what I meant was, Socio never explained himself until

after

he voted DH. That's not what you said here:

And Socio had a number of good reasons why you're scummy, even if he didn't switch his vote until later.

[Crazy]

There must be scum on this wagon:

DemonHybrid (8): Papa Zito, Fate, Plum, Punkin, Cogito Ergo Sum, SocioPath, chkflip, AGar

AGar and SocioPath feel the scummiest to me atm, but I'll have to see where that goes.
Plum hasn't posted enough for me to get a read, and CES has an attitude about not posting content for some reason

@CES - why?

.
Punkin I don't know about. PZ, Fate, and chk seem townish at the moment.

[Punkin]

I don't agree with that.

I suppose I can buy that as your opinion, but it

does

make you wrong.

Vote: Punkin

Happy?

Sure. Except that part where you ignored my question. Again, why are you concerned about looking shallow?

[Sudo_Nym]

@Sudo - what I meant was, Socio never explained himself until

after

he voted DH. That's not what you said here:

And Socio had a number of good reasons why you're scummy, even if he didn't switch his vote until later.

Then I admit the mistake. I didn't actually check the timing; I was queuing off something that DH said. Legitimately my bad, then.

[Thor665]

Suspecting a person, and lynching a person are two different things. I was 100% behind the wagon for sure, and you can put that on the record. But there was still discussion going on, and I wasn't prepared to put him at L-1 so early, while talks are still occuring.

Suspecting and lynching are indeed two different things.
So is L-1 and lynch, while we're pointing out things.
What were you expecting? A player to come swooping in, yell "Blargh, I am TOTALLY town...QUICKHAMMAH!!! Bwa-hahahaha!" Because...ah...last I checked scum don't go in for that too much. And if you believe they do than you'd have a perfect way to 100% verify a townie Day 1, which is well worth the "risk" of 100% exposing a scum.

The replace request has muddied the waters, I admit, but it doesn't change my opinion that the slot is scummy, and whoever replaces DH will be tainted by his actions. Like I said, though, there are town tells, and the replacement certainly isn't condemned.

Now that people are fleeing from the fail wagon like rats from a sinking ship how do you still feel about him. Why are you not voting him now - clearly something beyond putting him at L-1 is holding you back, so what's the other roadblock?

And for going on a limb and commenting at random- your sarcasm aside, wouldn't commenting on a thing I have no opinion on just make things less clear, by providing useless data? As town, it's my imperative to make sure that communication is clear and effective, is it not?

How are reads developed? By having opinions/actions expressed in game that you can assess as town or scum opinions/actions. Agreed?
What sort of player might want to avoid having other players draw tells from their opinions/actions? (hint - not town)
So, either you are town who is looking scummy while not helping us scumhunt, or you are scum who is trying to lay low and not give town clues about your scumminess. I see you as a value++ lynch either way. Am I missing something?

[LlamaFluff]

Oh also its come to my attention that SP is probably scum.

Just saying.

[Thor665]

I'm calling Socio and Sudo as scum. More to be added as reads become clearer.

Vote: Sudo

Let's team up with the guy who thinks the same way I do for ultimate win via forcing everyone to deal with Thor twice over - a true recipe for awesome.

I also enjoy curling up during rainy days with a good book and watercolors.

[Cyberbob]

on phone from work, basically wanted to +1 the suspicion of sociopath (i am being a dirty parroter but i will add more hopefully when i get home)

[LlamaFluff]

<3 Im sure Furry enjoys that more then me though, split personalities act very differently

[Cyberbob]

(also on other shit like dh/fate and whatev else)

[singersigner]

Replacement request sent to Nachomamma8. If he doesn't pick it up within 24 hours, I will ask the next person on the list.