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And you wonder why I scumread you.

Maybe I should re-evaluate how I play videa gamez

In post 100, mozamis wrote:@ fancypants - i often find it easier to work out town and try for P.O.E. Anyway, Alisae looks town to me.
I don't get the grey wagon.

I'm completely on board with that strategy, and use it myself.

However your reasoning seems paper thin.
Town reading Alisae for making a typical RvS post.
Town reading Grey for what I assumed was a tongue in cheek reaction to a borderline RvS vote (which boring has then overanalysed to the nth degree).

You've also acted a bit squirrelly, telling us you need to "catch up" after two pages seems a bit defensive to me, not to mention potentially not read the entire thread which is scummy in my book (when I play scum I am usually tempted to skip stuff).


As for the Alisae vs Grey stuff, Alisae seems illogical. These intuitive leaps to "one of you is scum" have always bugged me. I've hated when people use "gut" as a reasoning since I started playing here but it's so prevalent that I've learned to live with it, if gut is just an intuitive subconscious leap then at least try to identify where that came from.

@Snarky, I sympathise with you not finding the thread but care to weigh in?

maybe I shud re-read.
I think that might be smart thing to do.
UNVOTE:

I'm not saying Alisae is scum, I just disagree with the reasoning, the "one of them is scum" is actually a dangerous thought because if the interaction is a TvT then scum have an excuse to lynch to concurrent townies, but I'm not convinced it doesn't come from paranoid townies just as often.

*two concurrent townies.

I didn't like the reasoning for Ali's vote on Grey at all but I wouldn't be surprised if Grey was voted for his reaction to how I described his scum game. I'm not really interested in that right now though. The seed has been planted and I will simply watch it grow for now.

Mozamis tends to town hunt like I do but I think he may be a bit to generous with town reads than the average person based on the experience I have with him.

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In post 89, FancyPants wrote:OK well not much to go on thus far. Let's take a stab then.
Alisae, Havingfitz, Empking, Grey, Hawk all seem to have some vague interest in figuring out this game at least.

ConManMick and boring haven't done much. LUV I'm not sure about.
Mozamis making some really early town reads, makes me suspect he

knows

who town are. Surety is scummy.

Therefore I'm happy with my vote. As I said earlier wagon ho.

Could you point to which posts give you those feelings about King and Hawk?

In post 129, FancyPants wrote:I'm not saying Alisae is scum, I just disagree with the reasoning, the "one of them is scum" is actually a dangerous thought because if the interaction is a TvT then scum have an excuse to lynch to concurrent townies, but I'm not convinced it doesn't come from paranoid townies just as often.

Was this in response to 128?

In post 132, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:

In post 129, FancyPants wrote:I'm not saying Alisae is scum, I just disagree with the reasoning, the "one of them is scum" is actually a dangerous thought because if the interaction is a TvT then scum have an excuse to lynch to concurrent townies, but I'm not convinced it doesn't come from paranoid townies just as often.

Was this in response to 128?

No I had it typed and posted it anyway despite the ninja.

SWIPER NO SWIPING!

In post 131, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I didn't like the reasoning for Ali's vote on Grey at all but I wouldn't be surprised if Grey was voted for his reaction to how I described his scum game. I'm not really interested in that right now though. The seed has been planted and I will simply watch it grow for now.

Mozamis tends to town hunt like I do but I think he may be a bit to generous with town reads than the average person based on the experience I have with him.

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In post 89, FancyPants wrote:OK well not much to go on thus far. Let's take a stab then.
Alisae, Havingfitz, Empking, Grey, Hawk all seem to have some vague interest in figuring out this game at least.

ConManMick and boring haven't done much. LUV I'm not sure about.
Mozamis making some really early town reads, makes me suspect he

knows

who town are. Surety is scummy.

Therefore I'm happy with my vote. As I said earlier wagon ho.

Could you point to which posts give you those feelings about King and Hawk?

Your opinion on Mozamis is noted, a meta scan may be in order.

My early list is very much a draft, there really is nothing much to go on. Despite Empking's lack of posts I do feel what he has done actually seems aimed at scum hunting. As for hawk the promise of digging into meta always seems town to me, just based on the pure effort required, when scum know they are just wasting their time. I did notice there was no follow up though.

In post 117, boring wrote:@ConManMick

Spoiler:

In post 104, boring wrote:

In post 100, mozamis wrote:@ fancypants - i often find it easier to work out town and try for P.O.E. Anyway, Alisae looks town to me.
I don't get the grey wagon.

What don't you get in particular? I'd like to believe that I explained my thoughts okay. Did you just disagree?

In post 109, ConManMick wrote:

In post 108, boring wrote:

In post 106, mozamis wrote:

In post 104, boring wrote:What don't you get in particular? I'd like to believe that I explained my thoughts okay. Did you just disagree?

i thought someone voted for him cos he said someting to the mod. i dont see how that was scummy.

...so you've not bothered to read the four whole pages before this one? Are you overwhelmed by the breakneck pace of this dynamic and ever-changing game? (I suppose that would explain the catchup post you made earlier)

Even if you thought that was the reason for one vote, one vote does not a wagon make.

Where are you extrapolating this from

He said he didn't get the wagon. Since I had explained my vote thoroughly, I asked whether he needed clarification, or if he simply disagreed. His response was to cherry-pick something pretty unrelated to the actual wagon, as if he didn't bother to actually read. I found it incredulous.

I also wove in a passive-agressive remark about how ridiculous it is to make a catchup post (which he made on page 3 or 4) so early in a slow game.

Sound out, I've got you now

VOTE: Alisae

- Don't like the reaction test. I think expecting people to not look 10 posts up the page to confirm if someone is in a game and hold it against them if they do is not well thought out....and while risking outing a real mason at the same time to boot.
- Seems to be posting a lot of fluff.
- I get the stated reason for not liking LUV but don't see why the vote on Grey and don't get the subsequent unvote.

In post 107, Alisae wrote:Hawk why?

Mostly Gut for you. You're aciting in a similar fashion as to how you have before in games.

Fancypants I liked his post 20 and post 89. Reading that as not pro-town says he possibly wasn't super aware of the player list or at least didn't want to draw attention to that reaction test obviously like Uzi did. Not sure if this means he's town or not but at least he's not reacting too quickly.

89 I like cause taking a stab at early reads when RVS is kinda naturally winding down is good for generating discussion even with soft reads. This is town to me.

Boring in general seems just town to me. Most of his posts have meaning or general purpose to them and aren't relatively fluff so there's that.


As to Alisae's Meta I'm not sure I can share any of it since he as far as I could find (I didn't dig super super hard] only one completed game from start to finish. He has a couple he subbed in for but only one completed where he was apart of RVS.

I can tell people if you want to interpret something from his recent ongoing games he plays RVS pretty much like he is. Reaction tests. Early votes. Responding with similar questioning like this one. Take it for what it's worth since we can't check his alignment for any of that playstyle.

Empking I don't really have a read on.

I don't disagree with UZI but I do not see the harm in letting that reaction test play out a little longer. I'd hope most masons aren't so gung-ho to hang mafia that they would go screaming he's not a Mason!

Fritz seems to genuinely trying to ScumHunt so I do like that.

And that's all I really got right now

In post 87, ConManMick wrote:Aye, and for all the wrong reasons

@mod, my vote is on -Grey-, not havingfitz

I'm replacing in and will read up as soon as possible.

Hello friends and hello enemies

BBT! What's up man?

Hey CMM, long time no see!

I'm going to apologize in advance if you're scum and I need to lynch you!

Hi Anti and BBT!

Hey Uzi,

You look town froma quick skim through.

Tell me who is scum?

In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8715416#p8715416]post 148[/url], BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hey Uzi,

You look town froma quick skim through.

Tell me who is scum?

Form your own opinions.