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Post Post #150  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:31 pm

No.
Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.

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Post Post #151  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:48 pm

@Alisae, are you new to mafia in general, new to this website, or are you an alt?

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Post Post #152  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:19 pm

In post 146, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hey CMM, long time no see!

I'm going to apologize in advance if you're scum and I need to lynch you!

No worries of that man
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Post Post #153  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:21 pm

In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8715489#p8715489]post 151[/url], boring wrote:@Alisae, are you new to mafia in general, new to this website, or are you an alt?
No, no, and no.
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Post Post #154  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:50 pm

So many interesting players, this is gonna be exciting.
After an initial readup I got many townreads but some of them are slight.
Strong townreads are fitz and boring.
Townleans on Grey and Alisae.
Empking, CMM and Hawk are in the "said one thing I liked" category.
I got no kind of read on SS and BBT yet.
Mixed feelings about mozamis, LUV and FP, will need more time to sort them out.
I'm not too keen on elaborating at this stage cause it makes it easy for scum to tailor their play. But I'm keeping a spreadsheet so if you think you can call me out on empty reads, I can prove your wrong anytime :P

VOTE: mozamis

Very little substance in his posting, looks like coasting scum

@boring you scumread Alisae partly because of her "fluffing" (I don't necessarily agree with this point). What about mozamis?

@mod could you please fix VC 1.1?
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Post Post #155  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:37 pm

Feedback on other wagons:

Reasons I tr Alisae:

I gotta admit I was uncerain about her at the beginning but I think she showed town signs lately.
I don't think her opening reaction test was scummy nor I think it was particularly towny. As pointed out, it was easy to see through but I prefer it to a standard random vote entrance.
1. I like that she uses both scumhunting and gut to test others' alignment.
2. I liked her #124 and everything leading to it. Scum are way more reserved about making serious statements like this cause it means they actually have to stick to what they said later on.
3. I don't think scum would retract so visibly with their vote as she did in #128, looks like she actually takes others' input into consideration and re-evaluates her reads.
4. I liked her #149, which was a proper response to BBT's underwhelming entrance.

Reasons I tr Grey:
This read formed mostly at the beginning of the game and I'm keeping in mind he hasn't posted feedback on latest activity yet.
1. I like his #21, good observation.
2. Another good point in #31.
3. His entire back-and-forth with Alisae looks TvT, his logic is sound.
4. His wagon appeared kind of out of nowhere and it doesn't have solid foundations. The only legitimate vote is boring's.

Admittedly, my townlean on Grey is weaker than on Alisae but I'd still prefer people switched onto mozamis for now.
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Post Post #156  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:12 pm

In post 142, tojam2 wrote:NV (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Alisae, Antihuman, SnarkySnowman, Lil Uzi Vert


FOS: Everyone n this list
Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi

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Post Post #157  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:15 pm

UnFOS: Blue, Anti

Unvote
Vote: Alis
Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi

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Post Post #158  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:18 pm

In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8716281#p8716281]post 156[/url], Empking wrote:
In post 142, tojam2 wrote:NV (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Alisae, Antihuman, SnarkySnowman, Lil Uzi Vert


FOS: Everyone n this list
Why?
I unvoted so that I could reread and re-evaluate the game.
"Alisae is too pro." - Firebringer
"Wow after his abominable D1 play Alisae is really going Rambo now. He seems to come into his own in the lategame." - Wraith

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Post Post #159  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:56 pm

Majikarp used Splash!... But nothing happened! :P

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Post Post #160  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:30 pm

@antihuman, I asked Alisae about his experience because of his "form your own reads" comment. Not sure if it's ignorant or scummy. I'm waffling on my read because I'm trying to figure out his angle.

Fluff doesn't phase me when we're getting acquainted. It's dressing fluff up as not-fluff that concerns me (that wasn't directed at Alisae in particular).

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Post Post #161  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:32 pm

In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8716582#p8716582]post 160[/url], boring wrote:@antihuman, I asked Alisae about his experience because of his "form your own reads" comment. Not sure if it's ignorant or scummy. I'm waffling on my read because I'm trying to figure out his angle.

Fluff doesn't phase me when we're getting acquainted. It's dressing fluff up as not-fluff that concerns me (that wasn't directed at Alisae in particular).
To me he came across as not having any interest in developing reads so that's why I asked.
"Alisae is too pro." - Firebringer
"Wow after his abominable D1 play Alisae is really going Rambo now. He seems to come into his own in the lategame." - Wraith

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Post Post #162  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:40 pm

In post 148, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hey Uzi,

You look town froma quick skim through.

Tell me who is scum?


Uh missed this.

Honestly have no idea. A few people look town though so that should help me give you an answer when I do a reread tomorrow.

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Post Post #163  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:22 pm

In post 154, Antihuman wrote:What about mozamis?

Sorry, I just realized that I completed skipped this part of your question. Mozamis is certainly in the bottom half for me. My vote might end up there later, if I never find a reason to TR him.

On the other hand, he's the easiest vote right now, and I've not seen a lot of scum flips Day 1. (None first-hand, outside a game on MU where the PL just happened to be scum)

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Post Post #164  (ISO)  » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:28 pm

@LUV, the last time I played with you, your reads won the game for us. I'm interested in your ongoing opinion of the gamestate. (by the way, I know you're V/LA now, but you have a habit of "forgetting" you're in games. Please don't forget about us.)

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Post Post #165  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:48 am

He's just said he'll post some insight tomorrow though.

In post 157, Empking wrote:UnFOS: Blue, Anti

Unvote
Vote: Alis


Is the basis for your vote her not voting?
If so, why did you choose her and not LUV?
If not, what are the other reasons?
Do you usually prefer to join existing wagons or create them?

In post 163, boring wrote:
In post 154, Antihuman wrote:What about mozamis?

Sorry, I just realized that I completed skipped this part of your question. Mozamis is certainly in the bottom half for me. My vote might end up there later, if I never find a reason to TR him.

On the other hand, he's the easiest vote right now, and I've not seen a lot of scum flips Day 1. (None first-hand, outside a game on MU where the PL just happened to be scum)


Are you saying we shouldn't lynch an "obvious" target today? What is your suggested strategy then? Do you think random lynching from among a widely accepted scumpool is plausible, given the low percentage of hitting scum D1?
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Post Post #166  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:23 am

Have you re-evaluated your reads btw? Ready to cast a vote?
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Post Post #167  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:59 am

You are the only ones who know Antihuman's main, let's keep it that way.

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Post Post #168  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:11 am

Eh I do have some better reads on some people.
Like Fitz and Moz are probably town. Moz needs the most time to develope the read. Not a huge fan of the wagon you're attempting to start up on them. Their tone seems to be coming from town. I might be able to give more on this read soon but not currently for ~reasons~
I also like Boring now.

Empking null leaning scum just for FoSing everyone who was not voting 7 pages in.
I wanna talk to them about why.
"Alisae is too pro." - Firebringer
"Wow after his abominable D1 play Alisae is really going Rambo now. He seems to come into his own in the lategame." - Wraith

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Post Post #169  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:12 am

The Grey read needs more time to develop but right now they seem a lot more careful then how I remember him playing hence why I scumread him.
"Alisae is too pro." - Firebringer
"Wow after his abominable D1 play Alisae is really going Rambo now. He seems to come into his own in the lategame." - Wraith

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Post Post #170  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:13 am

Oh yeah your points seem to be coming from town AH
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"Wow after his abominable D1 play Alisae is really going Rambo now. He seems to come into his own in the lategame." - Wraith

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Post Post #171  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:21 am

In post 135, FancyPants wrote:
As for hawk the promise of digging into meta always seems town to me, just based on the pure effort required, when scum know they are just wasting their time. I did notice there was no follow up though.


Ugh. So basically another null read. Do you even have any substantial reads, apart from mozamis whom you're tunneling from the very beginning (which seems convenient, given it was your rvs vote)?
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Post Post #172  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:22 am

@mod thank you!
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Post Post #173  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:00 am

In post 171, Antihuman wrote:
In post 135, FancyPants wrote:
As for hawk the promise of digging into meta always seems town to me, just based on the pure effort required, when scum know they are just wasting their time. I did notice there was no follow up though.


Ugh. So basically another null read. Do you even have any substantial reads, apart from mozamis whom you're tunneling from the very beginning (which seems convenient, given it was your rvs vote)?

I have town leans on a lot of people, but its to early to be certain of anyone. I'm not 100% sold on Mozamis either but he's not giving me any reason to drop it, he hasn't even posted since he's had a bit of pressure on him, not exact a positive sign. Boring and Empking are my strongest town reads.

I gave somewhat of a read list in , at the moment I would say scum are probably Moz, SnarkySnowman + one more, maybe ConManMick.

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Post Post #174  (ISO)  » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:02 am

To clarify I find it highly suspicious that Snarky found the thread but hasn't bothered to interact with it - feels like he's trying to lay low and as for ConManMick, I see nothing but fluff and absolutely no desire to catch scum.
Combined with PoE from town leans I'd say those three are a good shout.

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