Open 684: Stacking the Deck (Game Over!)

[Desperado]

Vote Count 1.1

Lowell (3) - MMM, XnadrojX, havingfitz
Gamma Emerald (1) - CommKnight
Pyra (1) - Lowell
havingftiz (1) - thenewearth
MMM (1) - Shinobi
Shinobi (1) - Aubrey
thenewearth (1) - Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (3) - Pyra, Hawk, Xayzeck

The deadline for Day 1 is Monday, May 8th at 9am EST. With 12 players alive, 7 votes are required to lynch. Deadline in (expired on 2017-05-08 09:12:37)

[Aubrey]

VOTE: Pyra

Quickly skimmed. Im'a busy bee, and won't be all that active until after tomorrow 6pm-ish. I don't know why so many people townread Shinobi, but



It'd be nice if those who aren't voting would smack down a vote somewhere and explain why.

[Aubrey]

Two of the current voters votes also seem stale. Shinobi, and Thenewearth. Do you two still scum read those slots? I thought Shinobi mentioned moving his vote elsewhere at some point, and the other....well is still a outdated RVS vote.

[MMM]

@CommKnight
What are your thoughts on Hawk and Aubrey so far?

Anyone have a GOOD reason we should hang FEC today?

I saw you post there. Answer me.

[CommKnight]

Hawk and Aubrey could be TvT, I did miss your question to me. But honestly I'm not solid on it on either side of it. But TvT is my bet.

Though the other person I suspected actually is an option today. Lowell wasn't very townie early game. VOTE: Lowell

[MMM]

Thank you.
Now hopefully thenewearth will be on soon to answer me too.

[Hawk]

Hawk and Aubrey could be TvT, I did miss your question to me. But honestly I'm not solid on it on either side of it. But TvT is my bet.

Though the other person I suspected actually is an option today. Lowell wasn't very townie early game. VOTE: Lowell

Me and Aubrey are opposed?? << I have Aubrey in my town pile

[Aubrey]

Hawk and Aubrey could be TvT, I did miss your question to me. But honestly I'm not solid on it on either side of it. But TvT is my bet.

Though the other person I suspected actually is an option today. Lowell wasn't very townie early game. VOTE: Lowell

Me and Aubrey are opposed?? << I have Aubrey in my town pile

Put'em up.

[Shinobi]

Two of the current voters votes also seem stale. Shinobi, and Thenewearth. Do you two still scum read those slots? I thought Shinobi mentioned moving his vote elsewhere at some point, and the other....well is still a outdated RVS vote.

Yeah, but I remembered something about MMM really bothered me and I couldn't really place my finger on what it was. I'm going to reread and check it again and see if I'm just losing my mind or if I'm on to something.

Though I will note that I'm perfectly comfortable switching my vote to earth for reasons I think I've already mentioned.

[Shinobi]

Shin refresh me on your reads?

Sure, give me some time to put a list together.

[Lowell]

Oh look a wagon on me. Good show.

Give pyra a minute to figure out how to hem and haw and figure out how to not make his vote look OMGUS and and he'll join you. Get a good ole' wagon going.

[Shinobi]

Nope, found it:

MMM - what's your read on pyra?
And can you elaborate more on your xnad read? What exactly do you mean by "suiciding?"

Pyra made one post. Asking me for a read on him is unreasonable.
And about Xnad the tl;dr is we know each other from a different site.

You voted him initially because you wanted him to post.
He posted.
You moved your vote elsewhere.
Are you reads that simplistic or what happened, exactly?

Elaborating on your xnad read would be best too, tbh.

Maybe I voted someone else because I voting someone who's actually being scummy is better than just voting an inactive slot? Fucking obvious really.
And he explained my read on him already, and I see no need to repeat it.

Except this isn't actually what happened. Your initial vote on pyra was an attempt to get him to post more, in yet you switched to Fred for an inane reason (he was claiming a nonexistent role that you counterclaimed) indicating that you never really cared about pyra in the first place.
By itself, this is fine, but you claim that you voted someone that was scummy (he wasn't, or at the very least simply couldn't be construed as such) as a way to cover it up which is scummy. You understand what I'm saying?

[MMM]

Both Lowell and Fred (before it was revealed that he trolled so hard he got banned) seemed scummy. The CommKnight vote, which I assume is the one you're referring to, was partly for trolling/inactivity on his part/getting a reaction/not being sure whether the Pyra vote would end up getting a reaction (it didn't).

[Shinobi]

Oh and I had Hawk as town earlier on.
Aubrey is a townlean slowly creeping into townread territory.

I need to find more townreads - I don't seem to have a lot of those.

[Shinobi]

Both Lowell and Fred (before it was revealed that he trolled so hard he got banned) seemed scummy. The CommKnight vote, which I assume is the one you're referring to, was partly for trolling/inactivity on his part/getting a reaction/not being sure whether the Pyra vote would end up getting a reaction (it didn't).

The pyra vote not getting a reaction doesn't mean give up - it just means you go out and look for another way to get a read on that player. Just throwing your hands up after someone ignores you means you're just spinning your wheels in terms of figuring someone out.

[MMM]

Both Lowell and Fred (before it was revealed that he trolled so hard he got banned) seemed scummy. The CommKnight vote, which I assume is the one you're referring to, was partly for trolling/inactivity on his part/getting a reaction/not being sure whether the Pyra vote would end up getting a reaction (it didn't).

The pyra vote not getting a reaction doesn't mean give up - it just means you go out and look for another way to get a read on that player. Just throwing your hands up after someone ignores you means you're just spinning your wheels in terms of figuring someone out.

I didn't give up anything. I just placed my vote on somewhere that I thought was more useful for the time being.

[Shinobi]

I think I'm satisfied with where the game is headed so I'll give reads when people (note: not the ether) have answered my questions.

I'm very much awaiting these reads.

Pedit - I've seen you make 0 effort to engage with pyra since that happened even when he was around for you to talk to.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hawk and Aubrey could be TvT, I did miss your question to me. But honestly I'm not solid on it on either side of it. But TvT is my bet.

Though the other person I suspected actually is an option today. Lowell wasn't very townie early game. VOTE: Lowell

Me and Aubrey are opposed?? << I have Aubrey in my town pile

Put'em up.

that's creepy

[MMM]

I think I'm satisfied with where the game is headed so I'll give reads when people (note: not the ether) have answered my questions.

I'm very much awaiting these reads.

Pedit - I've seen you make 0 effort to engage with pyra since that happened even when he was around for you to talk to.

Partly because there are bigger fish in the sea, partly because other people already addressed everything I'd have liked to address about him and more.

[XnadrojX]

Oh look a wagon on me. Good show.

Give pyra a minute to figure out how to hem and haw and figure out how to not make his vote look OMGUS and and he'll join you. Get a good ole' wagon going.

He voting you at this point isn't even OMGUS, anymore, it's only OMGUS when you don't have a valid reason, and he can just ISO you, quote something and call you scum because your ratio of townpost:scumpost is currently 0:1

[XnadrojX]

Now that's you're online, fight me

[Gamma Emerald]

He left or smth

[thenewearth]

I'm sick so I'll post later

[Lowell]

@mod, I'll be at the beach this weekend. V/LA until Tuesday morning

[Pyra]

@Lowell one player developing a case on another does not mean that those two people can't be scum partners. It's perfectly reasonable to catch your partner in something and build a legitimate case on them to gain towncred because it would be unexpected. Also, I didn't say that I was reluctant to vote because of the possibility that FEC was "unrecruited mafia" (referring to 194 here). I stated previously that I wasn't going to vote for the troll that got removed from the game for trolling.

Give pyra a minute to figure out how to hem and haw and figure out how to not make his vote look OMGUS and and he'll join you. Get a good ole' wagon going.

Preemptively stating that any vote on you is only there because of OMGUS is a great way to delegitimize any cases that are going to be made against you. Conditioning other players to believe that anything I say is influenced by OMGUS is a great way to take away from my posts if I say anything about you, so great job there. Many of your posts concerning people that you scumread are accompanied by side remarks that all achieve the effect of getting others to think a certain way about their future posts (such as MMM's questions being into the ether so he can look like he's trying or your point that Hawk is just trying to lay low, the latter of which doesn't seem to be correct anyways). This kind of manipulation wouldn't come from town, and I think you're definitely good enough to be doing this intentionally.

VOTE: Lowell