OPEN 687: JUNGLE OLIGARCHY (GAME OVER)

[Realeo]

Me checked BTD's iso and there are three players who are

never

analyzed by BTD: Flubber, Gamma, Dunn.

There you go, a case of why Dunn is mafia can persuade me to vote Vedith.

[Realeo]

UNVOTE:

KMD, spare me two cents and explain to me why Dunn is town when your case of town!Dunn is contingent on scum!Hiraku and Hiraku flips town.

[havingfitz]

What's the preferred lynch today? WW or mafia? Or anything not town...

[CommKnight]

@RC, I'll let you handle Realeo. He may be town, but his reads are shit. If he goes into reading people with the assumption I'm mafia, he's already on the wrong path and will hence read them wrong as well.

Also both Vedith and Dunn are scum. But I think one is WW and the other is mafia. If our goal is to lynch Werewolf today, it might be Vedith. Dunn seems to try to set me up as looking like mafia (and ultimately being obvious about it) so I don't think he's a wolf.

[CommKnight]

What's the preferred lynch today? WW or mafia? Or anything not town...

I guess it's wolf. But if it's mafia I'm not going to complain too much. It just means whichever faction we flip, if wolves kill town tonight and they have 2 left, they'll be top priority to be lynched tomorrow and the next day. But if mafia have 2 alive and wolves hold their shot, mafia would become priority tomorrow.

[Vedith]

Well I'm telling Real and Fitz that I'm town here.
Comm is Mafia with Dunn. Look at how he voted BTD, he had to bus and that shows.

RC and kmd WW, it's easy pickings.

It doesn't matter if we lynch in WW or Mafia because both have 2 members.

Lynching Mafia today means lynching both WW tomorrow/day after.
Lynching WW tomorrow meaning lynching Mafia tomorrow, WW the next day, Mafia the day after.

It makes no difference on our situation and has the same out come regardless. It just depends what path you want to take of the 2.

Easy game, easy money.

[Bins]

Votecount 5.1

• (1)

  Dunnstral
  - Vedith
  
  (1)

  CommKnight
  - Dunnstral
  
  (0)
  Realeo
  
  (2)

  Vedith
  - RadiantCowbells, CommKnight
  
  (0)
  RadiantCowbells
  
  (0)
  kmd4390
  
  (0)
  havingfitz
  
  
  (3)

  Not Voting
  - kmd4390, havingfitz, Realeo
  
  With
  7
  alive, it's
  4
  to lynch.
  Deadline in
  (expired on 2017-07-10 23:00:00)
  (July 10^th).
  
  
  Mod Notes:
  

[Kmd4390]

Radiant, I remember the not killing thing being discussed before you even replaced in. I questioned it and got more than one reply about it basically being throwing the game or something. I'll be honest. I haven't thought about it much. But it was discussed and we've had a couple of no kill nights, so I assumed it was widely accepted.

Do you think that Vedith has any real chance of being town here?

I think every player in this game has a bigger chance of being town than him.

I've been obvtown since I replaced in.

There's no such thing in a game with more scum than town and no power roles. Even if there was, you aren't it.

And don't interpret me as saying that you're bad in a general sense unless you are actually town here. I'm not picking a fight. But this is nothing like the Aneninen game and I find it really, really weird that you would be misreading me unless you felt like it was necessary for your win condition to try to get me lynched. Especially when you called me both alignments.

Actually, I was ignoring that comment to try to avoid things getting personal like they always seem to with you no matter who is in the game. But anyway, yes I re-evaluated after ISOing flipped scum. Why is that weird?

*Facepalm* Reread OP (once again) and finally get it. Wolves can't just kill who they want because mafia can keep the kill outside of them with the list. The other set-up is the list of 3 on even days or whatever is the mandatory LYNCH of the day. Hence when I found out about the list, I assumed that.

If this is genuine, comm probably isn't wolf. He could still be mafia who is confused about why his team is giving a list, but whose partner did most of the work on it anyway. I'm skeptical of course, but wondering if scum faking this would take it as far as he did.

stretching from kmd

Gonna have to be more specific.

Realeo:

It's best not to base strategies around what an anti town faction may or may not do

I feel like this setup is brutal for town, this feels unwinnable off of 2 mislynches

^that had nothing to do with hiraki. This was the not-wolf post I was talking about, specifically the first line.

[havingfitz]

reads:

Town - havingfitz, Realeo, Vedith
Mafia - Comm, Dunnstral and

BTD

WW - kmd, RC

If I'm wrong about Realeo or Vedith I could see being off on one of the WWs.

Not as doubtful on my mafia grouping. Any of those three will work.

VOTE: BTD

^ This still.

[Kmd4390]

V/LA for 16 hour work days today and tomorrow. Back Thursday evening

I'll try to check in around this time tomorrow but any more than like a page or two and it's not happening.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay so KMD you have claimed to agree that Vedith is scum. Let's lynch him and play 20 questions after I've seen the flip.

[havingfitz]

I'll try to check in around this time tomorrow but any more than like a page or two and it's not happening.

What does this even mean? More than a page or two and you won't check back in?

Active lurking through the whole game. Odds are you're scum....which flavor not a concern.

VOTE: kmd

My alternate vote would be Dunn.

[Realeo]

Quick questions, does the mafia benefits from lynching town or both anti-faction needs to lynch each other?

[Realeo]

Comm is Mafia with Dunn. Look at how he voted BTD, he had to bus and that shows.

But Vedith, in D4, Comm decided to push for Dunn. They can't be scum together.

[Realeo]

Active lurking through the whole game. Odds are you're scum....which flavor not a concern.

Fitz, have you read past games? A signifiant proportion of my townread @ KMD is based on D1 ~ D3. You suggesting "the whole game" suggests you have reread the entire game so I can use second opinion. Can you give a more detailed scumread for KMD, please?

[Vedith]

But Vedith, in D4, Comm decided to push for Dunn. They can't be scum together.

Comm wanted to push RC more.

[havingfitz]

Quick questions, does the mafia benefits from lynching town or both anti-faction needs to lynch each other?

I don't know if hitting town or the opposing faction is in scum's best interest. I know it's in town's best interest to hit scum regardless of their faction.

[havingfitz]

Active lurking through the whole game

@Realeo,

This is not accurate. I based this comment on my perception of kmd since I've joined. He has actually posted quite a lot. Just not since I joined imo.

I skimmed the game when I joined because 60+ pages near deadline. As I recall I liked kmd early but his continually surviving the lists and poe have me convinced he's most likely WW. If he's mafia I'd be shocked.

[havingfitz]

But Vedith, in D4, Comm decided to push for Dunn. They can't be scum together.

Comm wanted to push RC more.

Comm was a lone vote on Dunn for less than 2 pages. I wouldn't clear Comm from being scum with Dunn based on that.

More mafia clearing for Comm is his hammer on BTD....
but even that could have been a no other option than to bus vote.

It does put Comm behind kmd and Dunn for me wrt suspicions.

[Vedith]

Dunn is scum with Comm. As simple as that... And both Mafia.
This is why Dunn is voting Comm, as Comm has no threat of being lynched but he's trying to distance.

I guess the only benefit of lynching within kmd or RC first is scum have 1 less person for their list and therefore forcing comm and Dunn to not be on list making my point even stronger (list has to be 3 of me, Fitz, Real and whoever isn't lynched from WW).

[RadiantCowbells]

Theoretically the mafia factions want to lynch each other but the difficulty in getting votes onto Vedith suggests that scum feel too threatened by town to play rationally right now.

[Vedith]

Everyone voting me is Scum...

[havingfitz]

Zzzzz...there's still 4 scum left.

For town...you only need to determine one other player is town to give you an 80% chance of hitting scum. And if you're good and have both your remaining town id'd your odds of hitting scum go up to 100%.

So to anyone not voting......why not?

[Kmd4390]

Radiant, sure.:

Vote Vedith

I'll try to check in around this time tomorrow but any more than like a page or two and it's not happening.

What does this even mean? More than a page or two and you won't check back in?

Active lurking through the whole game. Odds are you're scum....which flavor not a concern.

VOTE: kmd

My alternate vote would be Dunn.

Yeah, I actually only work my 16 hour days when I'm scum in a mafia game. As town, I call into work until the game is over. Doesn't everyone?

This is not accurate. I based this comment on my perception of kmd since I've joined. He has actually posted quite a lot. Just not since I joined imo.

I was on vacation when the game started and have since gone back to work. Your case makes sense if you think I either lie about real life or base my life around mafia.

[Kmd4390]

And if it's just about the fact that 20 minutes in the parking lot at work while dead tired being between double shifts isn't enough to read more than a couple of pages ....uhhhh *shrug*. It just isn't.