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Hey LucaBlight. We don't really talk to each other but we mysteriously townlean each other. That needs to be fixed or people would figure it out when one of us flipped!

Truth to be told, I don't really understand your reasoning of null-scum Alchemist and town-lean Commknight. Like, you scumread Alchemist for not really scumhunting except in the beginning but then he made a weird stand at the end. Isn't it the case with CoammKnight as well?

CommKnight has generally produced more meaningful posts than Alch, who coasted through most of D1 and has sat on his Una scumread/vote most of D2, and the emotion behind some of his posts feels genuine. Ck's lack of scumhunting on D1 seemed more to do with being busy IRL, which doesn't seem to be the case for Alch.

That said, I really don't like a lot of CK's stuff today as I've made clear already, and the fact he has ignored most of my posts directed towards him makes me feel less comfortable with him.

I just noticed that my lynch pool resembles CommKnight's lynch pool.

So Una didn't trigger you in his recent giant green text?

In post 1049, Luca Blight wrote:Could this not be said about any other player in this game? Why is it specific to you?

You are correct in that.
I was rather annoyed when I wrote that, so if Alch finds any scumslips in that post, I guess they must true.

In post 1052, Realeo wrote:@LucaBlight So Una didn't trigger you in his recent giant green text?

It's a shame I trigger the wrong guys..

In post 1053, UnaBombaH wrote:

In post 1049, Luca Blight wrote:Could this not be said about any other player in this game? Why is it specific to you?

You are correct in that.
I was rather annoyed when I wrote that, so if Alch finds any scumslips in that post, I guess they must true.

Not a scumslip, but it is a useless defense.

In post 1052, Realeo wrote:I just noticed that my lynch pool resembles CommKnight's lynch pool.

@LucaBlight

So Una didn't trigger you in his recent giant green text?

What do you mean exactly?

In post 1053, UnaBombaH wrote:

In post 1049, Luca Blight wrote:Could this not be said about any other player in this game? Why is it specific to you?

You are correct in that.
I was rather annoyed when I wrote that, so if Alch finds any scumslips in that post, I guess they must true.

I still don't get why you're not voting anyone.

Who should be lynched instead of you today?

In post 987, UnaBombaH wrote:

In post 17, Assemblerotws wrote:3: If I were Mafia, my first move would be to recruit the Traitor.

Only Mafia knows whether the Traitor was recruited or not, so this could be him signaling to them that he should've been recruited.

Except that you left out the context where this conversation was about if assemble was gonna "crumb to his traitor"...

In post 974, UnaBombaH wrote:

In post 963, grapes wrote:

In post 933, UnaBombaH wrote:@mulch: I know I'm the one on the chopping block, so it might feel weird for me to question anyone, but are you around atm?

If you are, can you give me some insight on how you see the game right now?

Also: is it possible for you to see WHY someone might scumread you by association/PoE?

And finally: how highly do you value Alchemists townplay?

If you could answer any or all of these, I would appreciate it a lot!

And I don't really like any of these questions.

First one is way too general.

Second one is outright scummy I think.

Third ones relevance is questionable.

@Una, can you walk me through why you asked these questions and how they helped you get a better read on mulch?

This was to prompt his readlist (got it btw). But this was also just a "warm-up" question to get to the other two.

This was to force him to talk about himself. Notice how he answered:

In post 934, Mulch wrote:I can see why someone would scumread me, because everyone is always paranoid of me. I'm good scum so people always think I'm scum when I'm town because they want to have the accomplishment of beating someone good at scum. So through that and PoE, yeah I can see. I do not see how someone can scumread me through association because every single person pushed one of the top 2 wagons so there is no validity to scumreading someone for that. ANd I definitely don't see the bullshit reasons Iron and Chip are scumreading me for.

He answered with a strong and confident tone. He took the perspective of "of course I am obv.town, but if I reeally stretch, I can see WHY others think I could be scum."

And then he turned that same answer into an attack towards Iron and Chip (even though I didn't ask about them specifically).

Well, this is an "questionary technique" I use pretty much daily at my work too. Again, lets see how he answered:

In post 934, Mulch wrote:

I think Alch is town

, but I don't know how much I value his townplay . I don't think I've ever played with him as town?

Notice how he states right in the beginning that he thinks Alch is town in this specific game. My question could've very well been interpreted solely as "what is your assessment of his skill-level as town IN GENERAL?"
So for whatever reason he feels the need to give me two additional comments - he doesn't know how good Alch's towngame is, and he doesn't think he has played with town!Alch.

You guys just LOVE to discredit and scumread my every post, but I do my own thing - whether it works or not.
These specific answers from mulch made me think he wrote genuinely - but he could genuinely dislike being scumread as either alignment.
He felt the need to be more specific on Alch's alignment this game (even if I didn't ask exactly for that!), but chose NOT to analyze his reads or position in this exact game (which I originally expected).
Stuff like that.

I wasn't trying to discredit you I was just saying that I don't know why you would expect alignment indicative answers to the last 2 questions and that the first one couldn't have been you looking for anything specific.

And after reading your response I still don't think you really had "an angle" to any of these questions. Which isn't the scummiest thing in the world depending on what the questions are but it raised my eyebrows because you tailored these to a specific player.

For instance I don't know that you're actually analyzing mulch's answer about alch as much as restating what he said. Unless you're saying it's scummy that mulch didn't give analysis on alch's play in response to you asking if he respects his townplay?

Bah, I read up and don't really wanna lynch una anymore.

UNVOTE:

I'm playing like shit this game honestly.

How much time do we have left?

If una's town I bet the scumteam's like comm/luca/alch or some shit.

Ehhh, maybe not alch. I dunno.

Like hold on let me grab the playerlist.

Not knowing if there's a traitor or not makes this weird to PoE.

If Realeo's scum he's playing a pretty good game.
Chip could be scum but I don't really feel it.
Assemble who the fuck really knows. I'd lynch that over una after the last couple pages.
ironstove feels like dgaf-town
Luca after taking a closer look and a couple recent posts could be scum; probably not with alch.
alch has gotten discontented a bit; like a few have, sorta wanna know why he thinks una's mulch thing is so damning when it's not really all that scummy to assume a person's two alignments within the same line like that sorta depends on what they're actually talking about and i thought it was fine
mulch im going with town but one of us has really bad reads atm

VOTE: Commknight

I feel like Una is town, let's lynch Chip Butty or Ironstove

Although that is a good point idk why you thought me deciding to give an allignment as well as an evaluation of town play-worth was towny

Grapes - so if Una is Town, you think me and Comm are scum partners despite the fact he's been trying to direct the vig fire onto me if Una flipped Town?

And what is it about my recent posts that make you feel I could be scum?

In post 1058, grapes wrote:

In post 987, UnaBombaH wrote:

In post 17, Assemblerotws wrote:3: If I were Mafia, my first move would be to recruit the Traitor.

Only Mafia knows whether the Traitor was recruited or not, so this could be him signaling to them that he should've been recruited.

Except that you left out the context where this conversation was about if assemble was gonna "crumb to his traitor"...

Aye. Trying to claim that my post where I was joking about my failure to crumb to my allies was actually a crumb is sheer insanity on par with Xenophilius Lovegood taking a story about the inevitability of death and thinking he can use the artifacts made by Death within the story to become Master of Death.

Mulch, still waiting on this one:

In post 1048, Luca Blight wrote:

In post 1034, Mulch wrote:

In post 1020, Luca Blight wrote:So before Chip's 941 were you considering he might be Town? And why are you so quick to vote here instead of questioning his reason behind quoting your 809?

What do you think of Chip's explanation in 952? Seems reasonable to me.

1) Yes 2) I knew his reasoning 3) Agree

So if you already knew his reasoning, which you just agreed is reasonable, why did you vote him?

And where do you stand on Chip right now?

In post 1066, Luca Blight wrote:Grapes - so if Una is Town, you think me and Comm are scum partners despite the fact he's been trying to direct the vig fire onto me if Una flipped Town?

And what is it about my recent posts that make you feel I could be scum?

^ This peaks my interest a lot.

VOTE: grapes Seems to be afraid of Una flipping red and grapes being the one in the vig pool.

Plus Una I think deserves one more day to prove himself.

chip - town
real -town
mulch - town
luca - town
grapes - town
assemble - scum
comm - ?scum???
una - ?town???
alchemist - ???

VOTE: assemble

VOTE: Alchemist

He's been coasting most of the game, and has been way too comfortable on Una's wagon.

If Una is Town then Alch would be a clear scumread for me.

In post 1071, Luca Blight wrote:
If Una is Town then Alch would be a clear scumread for me.

And if Alch is town?

In post 1072, CommKnight wrote:

In post 1071, Luca Blight wrote:
If Una is Town then Alch would be a clear scumread for me.

And if Alch is town?

Are you asking 'if Alch is Town would Una be scum?'

I wouldn't necessarily say so; Alch has been the one tunneling Una all day and most of D1, whereas Una has given Alch the benefit of the doubt by admitting his tunneling/confbias doesn't alone make him scum in posts such as 1042.

Una is certainly the better informational lynch, but I really haven't liked Alch at all since the beginning of Day 1 and I feel he has more chance of flipping scum.

See that's what got me. I think Una still stands a good chance of being scum and would be the best informational lynch right about now. Because there's some clear sides drawn on him.

But something is nagging me about people using Una in a weird way that they might be pushing multiple mislynches. (Picture a scenario where Una is town and myself AND Alch are town. Then look at how others are positioning themselves in it).