Open 700: Donner Party - ENDGAME

[Gödel]

Just from a quick skim of some players posts is this a correct assumption a couple of you guys have played with UCV and you though he was trying to play a newbie card to explain any mistakes he makes? and that is why you are now voting for him?

[Maki Harukawa]

If people die do they just flip there name or can they keep talking until the person who killed them flipped I'm a bit confused on that end

When someone is lynched, they flip normally. When someone is eaten by a Cannibal, their role is hidden until the cannibal is lynched. But they are 100% dead in the larder.

I see thank you

[UC Voyager]

Just from a quick skim of some players posts is this a correct assumption a couple of you guys have played with UCV and you though he was trying to play a newbie card to explain any mistakes he makes? and that is why you are now voting for him?

i guess.

I mean.

i wasn't even using it to my advantage. i was just asking. how long are RVS in open games. i have seen them differ from game type to game type

[sheepsaysmeep]

My vote was an RVS vote
UNVOTE: bc we’re all here

[CommKnight]

If people die do they just flip there name or can they keep talking until the person who killed them flipped I'm a bit confused on that end

When someone is lynched, they flip normally. When someone is eaten by a Cannibal, their role is hidden until the cannibal is lynched. But they are 100% dead in the larder.

I see thank you

Another way to think of it. Pretend they're janitors. Then when the janitor is lynched, all the bodies they "cleaned" are now exposed.

[Gödel]

My vote was an RVS vote
UNVOTE: bc we’re all here

UNVOTE:
samesies

[northsidegal]

@northsidegirl: I'm confused as to what exactly you want me to explain, so I'll try to state my stance and objective and hopefully you'll get where I'm coming from.

Basically, I want to hunt down the cannibals. You wonder why "cannibals" and not "just scum", which is confusing to me as

all scum are cannibals in this game

, which means eliminating all cannibals = eliminating all scum.

However, there's also one town-aligned cannibal in the setup, so we have a total of 3 scums, all cannibals out of a total of 4 cannibals. It might have been survivalist for me to think it was an acceptable risk (nobody wants to die and leave the game and it applies to me too), but it also had to do with the unannounced flips for the cannibal kills. In my head it was: worst case we lynch the vig, so 2 NKs with unknown flips rather than 3, AND we might even know if the Mafia got the SK the next night if we only have one NK then.

While I was typing my thoughts it occurred to me that I had been too focused on the cannibals that I totally forgot there were 2 other PRs who are NOT cannibals so that's why I said what I said. I also do not have a crystal ball so I could still be wrong so added that factor at the end.

With this and with me trying to determine the alignment of others, like Transcend (one of the very few I have previous experience with) I don't see why I should rush a lynch on someone I had just said I suspect but NOT SURE is scum. I'll wait for Transcend to start playing the game so that I have a better chance of guessing his true colours, and maybe a few others too. (I won't be sharing a read list on D1, but I already have marked down 2 players as most likely town and 3 as more suspicious than the others).

Does it make any more sense now?

okay, i understand your thought process more now, but i still have some questions. why bother searching for cannibals instead of scum? 75 percent of cannibals are scum but 100 percent of scum are scum. furthermore, how does cannibal hunting differ from scumhunting? like, are there just general reads for people who are cannibals? it seems like vig tells vs scum tells wouldn't change in this game, even though they're both cannibals.

[Transcend]

VOTE: UCV
There's no way you're actually this bad.

VOTE: Assemble
This vote and comment was awful Transcend lets go choo choo.

Keychain ....

[Keychain]

My vote was an RVS vote
UNVOTE: bc we’re all here

I haven't seen Not_Mafia around yet.

Just from a quick skim of some players posts is this a correct assumption a couple of you guys have played with UCV and you though he was trying to play a newbie card to explain any mistakes he makes? and that is why you are now voting for him?

"a couple of you guys" is very indirect. Who are you talking about?

[Transcend]

sheep feels tonally empty

[Assemblerotws]

My vote was an RVS vote
UNVOTE: bc we’re all here

I haven't seen Not_Mafia around yet.

Just from a quick skim of some players posts is this a correct assumption a couple of you guys have played with UCV and you though he was trying to play a newbie card to explain any mistakes he makes? and that is why you are now voting for him?

"a couple of you guys" is very indirect. Who are you talking about?

Presumably they're talking about me and everyone else voting UCV.

[Keychain]

No. North is the only one who said it was due to him playing a newbie card, I believe, I don't know why you'd assume it was referring to you. Sheep said it was RVS earlier and unvoted immediately after the question, so it wasn't referring to him. Also if you think he's talking to you, why don't you answer?

I'm more interested in the fact that it sounds like Godel is avoiding directly addressing anyone. You didn't have to intercept that one and I'd still like a response from Godel.

72 from A50 was very overexplainy. I also wouldn't really call an early vote "rushing a lynch". A50, why would you assume that UCV was a cannibal instead of just scum? What kind of tells does a cannibal in particular give off, compared to scum or PR?

[Keychain]

I don't know why you'd assume it was referring to you.

Sorry, should clarify this - I didn't see your vote as being due to seeing him as playing the newbie card, you just seemed to have an issue with his overall play, which I consider a different thing.

[PMysterious]

Looks through Trans' ISO, and here's what I see.

21 posts, all one liners, but only 3 of them are of any substance, or anything that really sticks out.

rvs ends now

VOTE: keychain

North is town

sheep feels tonally empty

The first one is for being a vote on Keychain, no explanation given since then, and the only times it is brought back up is in one word posts with "Keychain".

The second one for making a read on North, again, no explanation given.

The final one, is an accusation on play, but like before, Trans gives no explanation or any extension on this whatsoever.

The remaining 18 posts fall under one of these criteria.

1. Just a quote.
2. Something that is meant to mock another player.
3. Has very little if any relevance (like lmfao, woof, or anything of that type.)

This is suspicious behavior, and it is leading me to believe that Trans is Scum or SK, just trying to stay under the radar and constantly prod dodge at the same time.

[Transcend]

onoez

[Almost50]

@northsidegal/@Keychain:

Am I speaking another language?

1- ALL SCUM ARE CANNIBALS
2- I FORGOT ABOUT THE NON-CANNIBAL PRs
3- I WANT ALL FLIPS EXPOSED BECAUSE I NEED THE INFO TO GET BETTER READS ON THE LIVING PLAYERS

Now, what IS there not to understand? UCV was acting weird and I interpreted it as someone who got a role they couldn't handle. It was as if he wanted to create a smoke screen to camouflage himself, and it singled him out instead. Why would he do that? Because he is "not a VT". Why a "cannibal"? Because I forgot about the other 2 PRs (see #2 above), Why would I want cannibals out? refer to #1 & #3 above. It's not rocket science.

On another note, my RVS vote on Transcend is now a semi-serious one. While Transcend's trolling is normal; he usually provides more contend and even much more posts (I can't say they'd "all" have content, but his posting count along with them being one-word each is not Transcend-like to me).

@Transcend: Hey, buddy... picture me standing with a little kitten right at my feet. She's afraid of you, but she feels that I can protect her. I'm even meowing back at her as I'm kneeling down to pat her on the head. Now tell me how this makes you feel. Come at me. Let's fight!

P-edit: PMysterious beat me to it. Good to know I'm not alone here.

[Assemblerotws]

Looks through Trans' ISO, and here's what I see.

21 posts, all one liners, but only 3 of them are of any substance, or anything that really sticks out.

rvs ends now

VOTE: keychain

North is town

sheep feels tonally empty

The first one is for being a vote on Keychain, no explanation given since then, and the only times it is brought back up is in one word posts with "Keychain".

The second one for making a read on North, again, no explanation given.

The final one, is an accusation on play, but like before, Trans gives no explanation or any extension on this whatsoever.

The remaining 18 posts fall under one of these criteria.

1. Just a quote.
2. Something that is meant to mock another player.
3. Has very little if any relevance (like lmfao, woof, or anything of that type.)

This is suspicious behavior, and it is leading me to believe that Trans is Scum or SK, just trying to stay under the radar and constantly prod dodge at the same time.

It's definitely shit he's pulled as scum in the past (most notably in Large Normal 204), but I'm not sure if he does it as town or not.

[Transcend]

Come at me. Let's fight!

kapow

[Elmo TeH AzN]

So I'm new to open games....how does the game flow

How long is RVS. Whatnot

As Long As I Want It TO be

rvs ends now

VOTE: keychain

Lulz
No
VOTE: Transcend

So I'm new to open games....how does the game flow

How long is RVS. Whatnot

The last three completed Opens are all linked on my wiki.

It goes Woosh Woosh Woosh.
What does that mean though? Because you can't change a playstyle from game to game?

Just a reminder

[Transcend]

elmo is town but suck

[Transcend]

pmyst is town but suck

[northsidegal]

@northsidegal/@Keychain:

Am I speaking another language?

1- ALL SCUM ARE CANNIBALS
2- I FORGOT ABOUT THE NON-CANNIBAL PRs
3- I WANT ALL FLIPS EXPOSED BECAUSE I NEED THE INFO TO GET BETTER READS ON THE LIVING PLAYERS

Now, what IS there not to understand? UCV was acting weird and I interpreted it as someone who got a role they couldn't handle. It was as if he wanted to create a smoke screen to camouflage himself, and it singled him out instead. Why would he do that? Because he is "not a VT". Why a "cannibal"? Because I forgot about the other 2 PRs (see #2 above), Why would I want cannibals out? refer to #1 & #3 above. It's not rocket science.

81 is not expressing confusion, it's asking you questions. the sentence about you thinking ucv couldn't handle the role was mostly what i was looking for. still wondering exactly how hunting cannibals differs from hunting scum, and why you would take the "acceptable loss" of the vig instead of just preferring scum, but it's probably mostly semantics at this point.

[Maki Harukawa]

Can vote Almost50 for overreaction I don't really know how to budge into these convos.

[sheepsaysmeep]

sheep feels tonally empty

I’m on vla I only have time to read 1-2 most recent posts ;-;

[sheepsaysmeep]

Oh wot is tonally not totally
If my tone isn’t scummy or towny you pointing it out is fake contribution