Open 699 - Pick your Poison - Town Win

[ProHawk]

lol, he made me pick too

[mutantdevle]

@mutant - I'd prefer:
Deas - Scum
Kelbris - Scum/Null
Hawk - Scum/Null
Fishy - Town

If I was to put a gun to your head in the vigilante kind of way what would you choose for each?

[boring]

@mutant - I'd prefer:
Deas - Scum
Kelbris - Scum/Null
Hawk - Scum/Null
Fishy - Town

If I was to put a gun to your head in the vigilante kind of way what would you choose for each?

If you put a gun to my head, you'd be wasting your time. I've outlined my thought process on each pretty clearly, and why I'm unsure. If you favor brevity over accuracy, I can flip a coin.

[Fishythefish]

@boring: what makes you think ProHawk/kelbris is impossible?

All this talk of pairs is making me worried about DV flipping town.

Kelbris + Prohawk

= Kelbris, you're a nice guy, but I don't believe you subtle enough to fake this dynamic, and Prohawk's slot has had too much turnover. Just no.

Also, Prohawk would lose nothing from pushing Deas or me today instead, if Kelbris was his partner.

Yeah, I saw that. I'm not sure what you mean though - what is the dynamic you see between the slots, and why is the turnover relevant?

Eh. If the team is Prohawk+kelbris, bussing for towncred today would make quite a lot of sense - it's clear PH has the better chance of getting through the game.

Less than a day to go - let's get this done. I won't be online for the last ~6 hours because timezones.

[mutantdevle]

I'll probably hammer Deas later today if Fitz does not.

[havingfitz]

Good morning mutant.

[mutantdevle]

Good morning :3

[DeasVail]

Last minute boring flashwagon GOGOGO

[DeasVail]

VOTE: boring

[ProHawk]

Still don't understand why the person with the greatest chance of flipping scum isn't being voted, could be just me... dunno.

[mutantdevle]

Does anyone have anything to say before I (or Fitz) hammers?

[ProHawk]

No, end the madness.

[havingfitz]

I don't think it's going to shift to anyone else. A hammer on DV is probably inevitable. I don't have super strong sr's on anyone so he's as good as any alternative. Holiday and work/rl conflicts have slowed me down the last week or so. Sorry.

Good luck mutant if you survive and get a pr action off (i.e. track).
I'll try to track someone good as well if able and give some useful results.

[ProHawk]

If this ends up being Deas and Kelbris, we have been hashing this thing way overkill....

[mutantdevle]

Okay, I'm hammering.

VOTE: DeasVail

Good luck with surviving the night as well Fitz. Regarding functionality, I think we both know which of us 2 it would be better to have survive, but I also think opinions are important too. I hope that in the event of my death you can make a case on my behalf. I'm hoping you have deduced why I would have lied about the result I have lied about; just like I am fairly confident I know why you lied about the results you lied about. I'm hoping you have picked up on the additional crumbs I have left that only you would understand (before one of us dies). So that you can carry my opinions forward in the event that I die. Likewise, I will not let your opinions go to waste if you are the one the scum decide to kill.

It was fun playing with you Fitz

[davesaz]

Vote Count 4.7

DeasVail(4) - boring, Fishythefish, kelbris, mutantdevle (LYNCH)
kelbris(1) - ProHawk
boring(1) - DeasVail

not voting (1) - havingfitz

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

DeasVail,

Mafia Goon,

was lynched

It is now night 4.

(expired on 2017-12-14 13:00:00)

[davesaz]

You awake on day 5 to find that havingfitz has been killed. He was a

town tracker

.

Vote Count 5.1

not voting (5) - boring, Fishythefish, kelbris, mutantdevle, ProHawk

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch
(expired on 2017-12-28 16:00:00)

[kelbris]

tbh, I kinda saw that coming. The minute havingfitz said "i'll try to track someone", I knew he would be the night's target. Scum couldn't allow him to figure out who didn't visit anyone, especially if maf killed since it would essentially prove that they weren't scum, narrowing down the mislynch pool.

[mutantdevle]

Guys this is super important @everyone.

Before we get into catching the scum lord bastard that killed fitz I need everyone to answer this question as honestly as they can:

Before reading fitz’s death message this morning, which role did you honestly think each of us were?

I’m not accepting “I didn’t think about it” or “I couldn’t tell”, just everyone answer the damn question.

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO LIE TO GET TOWN CRED. If you are town, you have nothing to worry about. If you lie, and my theory is correct, you will be found out. We are lynching all liars. This question is not about your answer, but about whether or not you lie. So don’t lie; I have a way of knowing.

So everyone start this day by answering this question: what roles did you believe myself and fitz had yesterday?

[mutantdevle]

Thank you kelbris for answering the question whilst I was typing

[Fishythefish]

Just to put this somewhere convenient:

- I'm the tracker. I tracked Yuria N1 and he visited Transcend. I visited boring N2 and mutant last night...neither of them went anywhere but this only a 50% confirmation of their innocence (i.e. not confirmed town).

So, that's a visit to boring on a night when it was DV and one scum left. If that scum had been boring, would she have done the kill? At a first glance, there wouldn't have been a lot to choose on - both slots had come under some pressure D2, and boring also D1.

Still, that means that boring is 50% less likely to be scum, which is a big deal.

The DV flip also makes me think that boring is town. I don't see the cross-bus yesterday as a particularly likely move from the scum.

I'm pretty confident it's kelbris here.

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mutant: I thought fitz was a tracker or cop (because he thought up the whole hypoclaims thing), and you were cop or IC (because you seemed to think the third role was watcher!)

[kelbris]

I think that fishy and boring are VT, ProHawk is mafia and that Mutant is either Tracker or Cop.

[kelbris]

Honestly? I reckon the reason the Mafia targeted HavingFitz is because he would have figured out that I was VT, leaving only boring and Pro as the only 2 possibilities, if we take Mutant's post regarding boring into account, that would leave ProHawk as the last scum. by killing Fitz, that allows scum to keep me in the mislynch pool, think about it-most of you were scum-reading me yesterday, meaning Fitz would probably have checked me to see whether I could visit anyone-if maf killed and I didn't visit, would mean I was conf-town.

[boring]

@mutant - I thought you were 1-shot Cop at first because it would be harmful to extract someone from the scum pool for no reason. But as the day went on, I realized that you either didn't think it through, or didn't care. By EOD, I was pretty sure you must be the Watcher. I thought Fitz was IC. I figured it made the most sense with his conflict with Transcend. I thought his parting comment was more of an instruction to you while trying to make himself seem like a more attractive target.

I'm leaning toward prohawk right now because a) he low-key bucked against Deas's lynch all day, and b) because Fitz seemed to think he was scum whereas mutant seemed to be leaning Kelbris. Scum really don't have room for subtle kills at this point in the game. Fitz was more of a threat to Prohawk and Mutant is more of a threat to Kelbris.

p-edit: that ninja from Kelbris actually makes me slightly less confident in my theory.

[boring]

mutant: I thought fitz was a tracker or cop (because he thought up the whole hypoclaims thing), and you were cop or IC (

because you seemed to think the third role was watcher!

)

What do you mean by this?