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I retract this.In post 1302, cytheflyguy wrote:Also for my idea final three, it would be Impede, CoA, and Comm, lynching Impede
I wanted to wait a bit to respond to this but point 4 and 5 makes sense. A lot of things you do bother me but I need to be able to separate them. I now null/town read you. I also don't like not having a scum read at this point and no one else pings me like you did. And yes I will stand by this? After you, she's my closest thing to a scum read at null-ish. I'm fine with eventually compromising with her. Like this is what we've been doing all game. It's about taking out those who seem the most suspicious. If you're no longer my most suspicious person, then she'd be next. Hell, you wanted to lynch her and then changed your mind minutes later without expanding on it. If you're saying I'm calculated then you should look in the mirror. I'm not even saying to lynch her now, but that I'd be supportive of it after a discussion.In post 1295, Luca Blight wrote:1) I was referring to the fact people have been calling me such things as 'confirmed town' and 'almost confirmed town' this game.
2) Why should I want to showcase how Town I am? That would only be the case if I was scum, which I'm not. And it isn't a flawed argument - it's a natural inclination to suspect people who suspect you, especially when you are in a strong position in the Town in such a game as this.
3) The reason I played this way on D2 is because there were still three scum at large - easily enough to misguide any lynch. I knew I could only trust myself, and everyone ele could only trust me, therefore I should the the one to decide that particular lynch. In the end I didn't want a Laser lynch but couldn't persuade the others to jump off, so my influence ultimately failed anyway.
4) This is something everyone does to some degree. If it was me controlling the lynch then I would demand everyone vote one particular player, but instead I narrow down a list of three good lynch choices and suggest people vote one of them. This is no different from anyone else suggesting who they want lynched. I've actually been following the likes of Comm and Impede since Lucky's lynch.
5) It would be a silly strategy to lynch my three scumbuddies within the first four lynches of the game and expect to survive mislynch after mislynch without being suspected. Comm, who I townread, has already stated if the game goes to MYLO he will set out to lynch me. Everyone else in the game also seems pretty cool with my lynch at some point, so don't you see as scum I'd be basically setting myself up for the loss here?
6) My point stands. Lining up Athena's lynch after saying you don't understand why people are scumreading her seems like a calculated move.- Impede
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Thinking about moving this to Athena.
All of her arguments are with town with a few exceptions. There are a few interactions with scum that feel forced, almost like someone said "hey guys don't forget to interact in thread". The only missing puzzle piece is where the grand master plan is. Need to ISO our flipped scum.- Impede
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In post 614, CultOfAthena wrote:
Not voting him.In post 587, Zulfy wrote:hey what manner was that?
No, nobody seemed to take notice of it.Did you elaborate this point?
At the time it was the most prevalent part of his ISO and the only thing I would think could be called gamesolving.Regarding those last two replies:
While the punett square thing was odd that's not the sole contribution of Zaraki, don't know why you'd generalize like that.
I had quite obviously already stated reads, opinions and analyses at that point. Asking for them like that seemed like an attempt to look busy moreso than an actual request for information.And that LAMIST accusation seems hollow. Are you sure you just don't have a problem with Mozamis's attitude?
Check out these back-to-back posts. Super short with Zulfy, almost like "I guess I have to make this look good", versus the long drawn out responses to Moz. Possibly NAI, but it agrees with my theory.In post 615, CultOfAthena wrote:
This is totally wrong and I'm no longer going to sit quiet while I get accused of this. The lastIn post 592, mozamis wrote: Cults last few posts once again post very littel in content really, not any reads, just arguing and point scoring.fifteenor so posts have all been completely relevant game content - me asking Luca about his read on me, talking about the likelihood of bussing UCV, talking about Luca's "embargo", so on and so on. You're just attempting to discredit me - anyone actually reading my posts can clearly see that they're not devoid of content. People should take note of this - scum can't kill off the voices they don't want to hear but if they can silence them or discredit them then the effect is the same.
Don't project your own playstyle onto me, and don't be so ignorant as to believe that townies could never play in the manner in which I do. The reason I ask people why they're scumreading me is to examine theirIn post 596, mozamis wrote:
THIS IS A SCUM POST.In post 573, CultOfAthena wrote:So do the reasons that you think I'm scum go beyond my relation to the UC Voyager lynch?
Scum are always desperate to know WHY people are voting for them, so they can "refute" the point. Town often dont really care why people are vitng for them, or will just tell the other person to STFU etcmotivations, the most reliable indicator of alignment that I've found outside of a cop investigation. It also has the effect of checking their consistency. Town will change their reads because their mind has been changed by something, scum will change their reads as convenient to them.
Yes, there's one person you think may have bussed - the rest of your readslist matches up so closely with the UCV wagon such that that point doesn't really mean anything. If you really are town here, are youIn post 597, mozamis wrote:i also several times have mentioned the fact that i thought Impede may have busssed.seriouslynot more suspicious of the people on the wagon than off? That's the first rule of vote count analysis: when scum is lynched day one, look on the wagon. Especially in a nightless setup where scum need all the town cred they can get and especially when that scum lynched is UC Voyager, the easiest lynch there is and the slot who's probably the least likely to make endgame, I'm going to think that scum bussed hard. I honestly wouldn't be surprised this game if all three remaining scum were on the wagon.- MathBlade
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Compare Zulfy's quote with Mozamis' quotes: Zulfy asked yes/no questions while Mozamis accused me of things patently not true. Obviously one invites more comment than the other. By the way, if you're saying "Possibly NAI but it agrees with my theory" to yourself, you should take a step back for a moment to think about things.In post 1306, Impede wrote:Check out these back-to-back posts. Super short with Zulfy, almost like "I guess I have to make this look good", versus the long drawn out responses to Moz. Possibly NAI, but it agrees with my theory.
Why would that lead you to vote me over everyone else? Are you saying that everyone else is a townread to you?Impede wrote:UNVOTE:
Thinking about moving this to Athena.
All of her arguments are with town with a few exceptions. There are a few interactions with scum that feel forced, almost like someone said "hey guys don't forget to interact in thread". The only missing puzzle piece is where the grand master plan is. Need to ISO our flipped scum.
I'll try to make town/scum cases for everyone soon. Having some access issues at the moment.- Luca Blight
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Basically I feel Impede is scum due to his early interactions with UCV (which I found suspicious at the time) and by POE which I talked about earlier which narrows it down to him and Cy.
Cy's'lynch me'thing seems more genuine than Impede's attempt at the same, so that's who I want lynched today.
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In post 843, Zulfy wrote:Nah nah we're not gonna lynch athena. I'd rather get lynched than Athena.
This might not inspire much confidence but one has to be honest: I'm not sure who died. I'm not sure what's going on. I'm drunk. But it was probably LaserGuy and Athena's probably gonna get attacked now by probable scum and I'm probably gonna try to stop it.
While we're on the probablys, Luca is probably town and Sesq is probably scum, and a jerk but that's not important.- Impede
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This is not good to vote yourself now. Regardless of who the vote is today we still should make a plan for the next two days if you flip green. I personally still slight town read you but as now the only two people I trust are Luca and Comm I'll be okay hammering down the line.In post 1311, Impede wrote:I'll flip green (sorry). But again, don't know if I can be a super active participant in this game this week, so probably better to get it out of the way now.
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The game is over! Well played everyone. Huge thanks to cy for sticking it out!
Well played all. Locking the dead thread and will do accesses late tonight/early tomorrow when not at work.
Mafia has 24 hours to object to the PT going public and/or ask for redactions if any.
Good game all!ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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