Open 706: C9++

[Katyusha]

i'm a she and also why isn't assassin scum

[Almost Chara]

Adding to the above post, I want to explore Cy first. Elmo is an okay lynch for me but it feels too similar to the assemble lynch.

VOTE: CytheFlyGuy

if scum are put in a position where they have to bus they're going to want to get the obvscum partner and the one that isnt a rb

especially if cy was telling the truth that they knew who the vig was

That and Cy's role had no more utility with the Cop already dead. The RB was the more valuable role for Scum to keep.

[Almost50]

VOTE: sleepless assassin

change of heart, i dont really like how elmo interacted with joda's self vote and cy seemed unconcerned about defending it so quickly and 739 is yIkEs

NO! No reason to put their p @ L-1 and then have them hammer themselves when a player is inactive and it could've gone to NL

[Almost Chara]

VOTE: sleepless assassin

change of heart, i dont really like how elmo interacted with joda's self vote and cy seemed unconcerned about defending it so quickly and 739 is yIkEs

NO! No reason to put their p @ L-1 and then have them hammer themselves when a player is inactive and it could've gone to NL

[Katyusha]

i mean that was my initial train of thought but if the plan was to bus in the first place (iirc sleepless was on both cy and elmo) then it really shouldn't matter because he wants to bus anyway

i think ogml is the only person actually cleared from that

for the record despite me scumreading SA's content i still want joda to answer my questions when i felt otherwise

[Sleepless Assassin]

OGML I don't see as Scum (and neither does Sleepless). It is JODA (who I've been saying is Scum since D1).

Actually OGML is my second pick.

i mean that was my initial train of thought but if the plan was to bus in the first place (iirc sleepless was on both cy and elmo) then it really shouldn't matter because he wants to bus anyway

Cy was actually a weak town read for me. I only voted there because it looked like the only option to avoid no Lynch. I was thrilled to see it shift back to Elmo because I'd been scum reading Elmo all game.

[Almost Chara]

Guys, correct me if I'm wrong. The setup is MCCTVV? Meaning we still have a Doc/RB alive. Double check.

We had a GF+ Mafia RB+SK = 1T
We had a full Cop & a full Vig = CCVV
We have our slot (IC) = M

And the 1-shot claims yielded nothing so no 1-shot Cop/Vig in play

How about the last PR claims and we get it over with?

P-edit: But it does. They knew who the Vig was (even I did, and you can verify it in the hydra PT post game). The RB would have blocked dave's shot (as well as confused dave) because it was OBVIOUS dave was going to shoot Cy anyway.

[Katyusha]

ogml doesnt make sense as scum because he gave intent to hammer - elmo would just let him hammer or claim to give him towncred

and with cy, it doesn't matter what read you're pushing in-thread. scum voting for scum is still going to result in a scumflip, so it's still bussing if you're scum and you vote for cy.

the only question i have is what is there to be gained from a scum!sleepless from forcing a scumflip as scum besides "towncred xd" and i need joda to talk to me to answer that

pedit: yeah we know we're in MCCVV?T and the only roles that should claim are 1-shot vigs and cops. rbs and docs have to stay hidden

[Katyusha]

if it's a 1shot vig btw we should just lynch joda and if the game continues, shoot me and then in 3way i'd say lynch assassin but obviously the hammerer should think it through

[Katyusha]

oh wait everyone claimed they didn't have a 1-shot pr already? so we know there's an rb or doc?

i really dont think getting that out there was a good idea if so almost >_>

[Almost Chara]

Also, Schism going all gung-ho on us was genuine and least likely to come from Scum. You don't oppose the confirmed Town player like that from the get go. Go read what Schism had o say during the peak of his rampage and tell me how you think this could've come from Scum at all.

P-edit: But it could potentially end the game TODAY.

[Katyusha]

the only advantages i see is confing joda/sleepless as town

scum arent going to fakeclaim because if they get a "guilty" they give us another lynch; if they give us an inno they lock themselves into a 1v1 in a MYLO situation which is also dumb

[Katyusha]

i guess protects arent really that helpful anymore since we're ensured to have conftown in MYLO now either way

would still be nice to have the chance of two though

[Katyusha]

*only advantage

originally listed scum fakeclaiming helping us as one but that's not ever happening

[Almost Chara]

No in full comprehension what you're saying. What MyLo and what guilty?

[Almost Chara]

EDBWOP:

Not* in full comprehension of* what you're saying

[Katyusha]

We lynch me, go to 4v1 night
You get shot, 3v1 day is mylo
Scum, say SA, claims “i’m the roleblocker and i roleblocked ogml so he’s town”
Doctor or rb ccs and outs SA as scum here (SA is confscum if ogml is the cc)

If SA went for a guilty and no killed, he risks an actual rber from thinking they have a guilty AND give town a mislynch since it’s 4v1 day

So scum will never fakeclaim roleblocker in this specific game

[Katyusha]

Doctor fakeclaim doesn’t really help scum either since they turn a 66% chance of a ml to a 50% chance

[Almost Chara]

OK, whatever. My point was we have my slot and we could have another conf!Townie today. If a CC occurred it confirms everyone else and locks the game. If not, then we still lynch from the other 4 and we are guaranteed at least one conf!Townie to be alive tomorrow.

With no claim today, the CC is more realistic in a 4-player MyLo because it sill give Scum the chance to win. Today the CC will definitely lock the game in our favour, regardless of whom we lynch first.

[Katyusha]

eh

I would have liked the doc to stay hidden if there is one but yeah after thinking it over it’s probably safer this way

I’m a vt

[Jodaxq]

Why exactly am I the prime suspect anyway?

Your reads are more indicative of scum vs Assassin's reads IMO. Day 1 you gave a nonsensical town read on Cy, then you voted him over Elmo late in the day which felt like you were trying to split the wagons hoping for a no lynch, you scum read him D2 for an iffy post that doesn't seem strong enough to get him off a TR to No. 1 suspect day 2 had you been genuine in your initial read. Also bussing would have been more convincing if you started the wagon should the cy lynch go through.

You were happy to say all your reads were wrong and jump on my wagon with no reason given.

You pushed dave early D2 which made me look into him and think he was scum, I gave my reasons and you showed little interest in following up that initial push you made, like just throwing shade hoping it sticks, before you vote along with him.

Those are my thoughts of your D2, D1 felt like backtracking and posturing, honestly that's just a gut read though. Now you suggest a SA lynch without a reason which would make an actual lynch on him more likely.

Why do you think Sleepless Assassin is scum?

I jumped on your wagon because it seemed to me like you made a scum claim. Dave and Chara saw the same thing so I don't think it was weird.
I was not "happy" to say all my reads were wrong, but if someone makes a scum claim then that overrides all of my reads.
I did not get on in time to see the reasoning behind your claim or otherwise I would have gone back to Cy.

Sleepless is mainly POE. I've been suspicious of him from the start which my ISO will show, but it's between him and Katyusha and Schism, as I've said before, seemed town to me.

[Jodaxq]

Okay. It's not me. If I get hammered I think you should go for Sleepless next

Why Sleepless over me?

I town read Schism before you replaced in and I've been suspicious of Sleepless from the start. A couple of Sleepless' posts have seemed very forced

[Jodaxq]

I could back a schism lynch. Why is Jod obv. town?

No! Just NO.

You know what? F* it.

momo announced there will be no extension to the day while Schism was still being replaced (i.e. Kotoko hadn't joined the game yet).

This means the active players were either 6-2 or 5-3 (depending on Schism's alignment). If it was 5-3 then the whole "active" Town had to be on the wagon for a lynch to go through. Now why would Elmo hammer herself then?? Even after Kotoko joined the game no one could blame him for taking his time and not voting immediately, so BOTH Scum are/were in Cy/Joda/OGML

Cy is dead and confirmed Scum. OGML I don't see as Scum (and neither does Sleepless). It is JODA (who I've been saying is Scum since D1).

I get this logic but I don't see the conclusion as 100% truth. If it is, then it's got to be OMGL.

[Jodaxq]

Looking back I don't see how Sleepless is at all "cleared" for putting Elmo at L-1. That train was rolling close to deadline with no one to stop it. It would have been very suspicious for anyone to have avoided that wagon at the time.

[Almost Chara]

It seems to me that you did.