Open 710: MKUltra - Foreign Spies Win!

[RadiantCowbells]

Mikan is scum, GIF probable partner

[GuyInFreezer]

RC is a serial killer, keychain probable partner.

[Viomi]

VOTE COUNT

LYNCH: RedFlavor (7) - Kop, GuyInFreezer, Not_Mafia, Sesq, Beefster, Hawk, Mikan Tsumiki

Not_Mafia

(2) - Tatl and Tael, Sky_Paladin

Beefster

(2) - Iconeum, skitter30

Iconeum

(1) - Mumble

Mikan Tsumiki

(1) - RedFlavor

Not Voting:

A lynch has been achieved!

Night has ended.

Flip incoming.

[Viomi]

Ahh, what an...

interesting

decision. With such confidence, you have decided on which one of you will

die

. What's that? You thought the people who were voted to leave this test would live? Ohoho,

no

.

In order to fully expose you to the effects of this decision, RedFlavor will be hanging... Here, on this wall. Don't worry, this facility is so secure, not even flies could get in. So all you really need to worry about is the

smell

.

My, still so interesting that you would choose

one of your own

, just another sad sap from the control group.. I wonder if our drug really is undetectable after all..


RedFlavor was part of the

Control Group (also known as Vanilla Townie).

[Viomi]

Ahh, good morning. Yes, there are a lot fewer of you. However, if you'd check the rooms of your missing companions, I'm sure you'll find them. I see some of you were a bit too eager to brand your kills, you

monsters

, but oh well. This only serves to give us more data...

Tatl and Tael was found with the KGB insignia carved into their neck. They were the

Town Doctor

.
Kop was found with a needle sticking out of his arm. He was

Vanilla Town

.

On another note, springlullaby replaces Mumble.

[Not_Mafia]

*sigh*

VOTE: Beefster

[Iconeum]

I can dig that

VOTE: beefster

[GuyInFreezer]

Kop kill is very interesting

[skitter30]

@mod:

Has mumble been replaced? Also

Fire Mafia kills and Ice Mafia kills have different kill flavour (i.e. the moderator will make it clear which Mafia team was responsible for each kill).

VOTE: GIF

I don't like the way you pushed the Red wagon and I don't like any of your twilight posts.

I also have scumreads on Beef and Mikan. My only townread of note right now is Iconeum but it's weakening.

[skitter30]

Gif, while we're in twilight, thoughts on Kop?

As an aside I have been too busy to really focus on this game; I'm probably going to drop out if I can't commit properly by the next phase.

I think this is a pretty weird post. Like you pop in during twilight to ask GIF about Kop (ie as opposed to talking about something topical like Red wagon or the rc/mikan/gif thing).

Like why is this directed at GIF in particular? Why were you specifically asking about Kop at that juncture?

[GuyInFreezer]

@mod:

Has mumble been replaced? Also

Fire Mafia kills and Ice Mafia kills have different kill flavour (i.e. the moderator will make it clear which Mafia team was responsible for each kill).

VOTE: GIF

I don't like the way you pushed the Red wagon and I don't like any of your twilight posts.

I also have scumreads on Beef and Mikan. My only townread of note right now is Iconeum but it's weakening.

How did I push the red wagon exactly?
Your own words pls

[GuyInFreezer]

(This is not me disagreeing that I pushed the Red wagon.
I did it, proudly, and with no regret)

[skitter30]

How did I push the red wagon exactly?
Your own words pls

You were lobbying for votes on him by like asking anyone who posted to vote him. You took it from like two votes to L+1 in hours and I still maintain that he wasn't scummy. He was like awkward in a trying newb town kinda way.

[Mikan Tsumiki]

I-I think skitter pushing this is s-scummy.
Sorry!
VOTE: Skitter30

[skitter30]

Because ...?

[GuyInFreezer]

How did I push the red wagon exactly?
Your own words pls

You were lobbying for votes on him by like asking anyone who posted to vote him. You took it from like two votes to L+1 in hours and I still maintain that he wasn't scummy. He was like awkward in a trying newb town kinda way.

I must be a very charismatic player to pull that off like that.

[Mikan Tsumiki]

B-Because ummm... I think its kinda easy to push someone for pushing a mislynch.
I-I think you're pushing a fact and n-not a read, s-so in the event GiF flips town y-you can u-use your justification you built up as a scapegoat.

Aaaah sorry! I must be wrong.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh don't worry he's not even pushing the fact well because this guy is clearly not explaining how I was able to get that wagon up so fast in the first place.

[Sky_Paladin]

Skitter

I think this is a pretty weird post. Like you pop in during twilight to ask GIF about Kop (ie as opposed to talking about something topical like Red wagon or the rc/mikan/gif thing).

Kop had been sticking out for me as scummy early on because his entrance felt bad. But I had only been skimming the game (and if I can't improve my content early this phase I will replace out) and when I scrolled past his comments about Beefster (while voting RF) I thought, oho, scumhunting-101: players who scum read player x but vote player y? Got 'em boys! But GiF had been pushing town towards a lynch of RF and I was actually undecided about RF.

I had earlier townread RF from when I voted him and he did stuff, but then he lurked out like he did as scum in another game, so this slot had become null-scum to me. At the time I was voting NM for being totes scum but late day 1 he became more active, and, the red haze from the other game had died away a bit. I started to question my read there. I also hadn't had a chance to re-evaluate Beefster like I wanted to.

So I thought - do I trust GiF here? It does seem like he has coralled town away from a Hawk or Beefster lynch onto a RF lynch. I don't think scum!GiF would stick his neck out like that if either of those players were his team mates. It looked like a legitimate push from town to remove a fairly inactive player, although I can't specifically recall why RF was being scum read other than this. So I thought I didn't want to get in the way of this RF push (because I was now null on RF) but I would like to get GiF's thoughts on Kop. After all, Kop was also inactive. What made RF special over Kop?

Turns out the answer was 'nothing'. After that I felt completely disempowered. I was ambivalent on the RF lynch, and then while I was deciding whether or not to push elsewhere, there was a hammer. So I just gave up and called it a night.

The net result is that I think GiF is probably town and Beefster is probably scum. News to nobody.

Some of Icon's posts pinged me so I'm going to look there next.

[GuyInFreezer]

although I can't specifically recall why RF was being scum read other than this.

I'm pretty sure I pointed out every time he made scummy post.
And no this was not just a lollynch on inactive player because that would be like 100% against what I preached Day 1.

[GuyInFreezer]

So yes, him not being active was 0% concern of me.
I mean I'm town and I'm shamelessly inactive.

[Beefster]

VOTE: Sesq

for backtracking... ish.

Sir your vote is in the wrong place.
Please fix it and vote RF asap.
Thank you.

I should not have gone along with you.

VOTE: GIF

[GuyInFreezer]

I should not have gone along with you.

Oh?

I'm preeeeetty sure I let you decide if you wanted to join the wagon or not.

That would be fantastic.

You can always ISO RF to convince yourself if that's the way you prefer.

Maybe I'll hammer after RF claims.

I need to evaluate this for myself.

Yup. Hammer after claim. Unless RF says something that somehow redeems him.

[Sky_Paladin]

Other thoughts:
I enjoy Mikan's entrance to the game, it's fairly active and her opinion is clear. It's miles-away more towny than TD IMO. My only concern is that she was part of the back and forth with Tatl and Tael that resulted in them putting doc in every post which proooooobably gave away that they were the doc. I'm town-sorting this slot for now.

Actually that's the whole player base so I'll just do a full reads list.

Town
GiF - for towning it up late day 1 even if it was for a mislynch
Mikan - as above

To Sort
Hawk/Skitter

Scum
Icon/Beefster

Some of Icon's posts that ping me -

152 - posts complaining about hydra's. Contrast with my own post 137 -
"if you're playing a hydra I expect you to bring the best and worst of both players, and you don't get to blame your other head for not being town enough."
With
"Make up your mind, and then say what you want. It doesn't help town to hear 2 colliding opinions coming from 1 slot."

Bolded for emphasis. This doesn't seem like a towny-thing to say. Two different opinions is exactly what I'd expect - and hope for - from a hydra. The more unique thoughts out there, the better off town is.

179 is a bit weird. Icon has gone a good chunk of the game at this point asking for a lynch on NM solely because NM claimed scum (...which is fair) and earlier criticises Kop for not voting NM (158), and made it clear in 155 that their vote on NM was

I'm voting him because he claimed mafia, and has made no attempt at, well, anything.

This post asking for Beefster to explain their vote on Not Mafia therefore surprised me, because Icon is aware that by that point the only real reasons to vote NM were because of inactivity and claiming scum. What else could Beefster add? It seemed opportunistic. Icon later switches to Beefster which I concede does look natural.

Later when the game is stalled, Icon questions Tatl and Tael for their NM vote 242. They also poke Skitter for the same thing a little later.

Late day 1 Icon posts some thoughts on Hawk/Beefster, and finally settles on Beefster. This looks natural and I wouldn't call it except...it's multiball, and scum can legitimately scum-hunt the other team.

@Icon

I guess I'm questioning your progression of reads here, Icon. It looks like you wanted NM dead and then once you switched away, anybody else voting for NM got your question mark, and you didn't really mention them late day 1.

What is your current opinion on Hawk/NM?

[Sky_Paladin]

Whoops I missed Sesq/NM
Sesq - to sort/null.
NM - probably town.

Players in my 'to sort' list I'm expecting to work out one way or the other during this day phase.