Open 714: Tit for Tat [Game Over]

[mutantdevle]

From my POV it's either you and Anen or you and math.

Your previous reads say otherwise.

- You've scum read math a lot
- You've scum read Anen a bit
- You've not scum read me at all.

Why has that suddenly flipped upside down?

[Mathdino]

I mean probably something to do with the fact that I'm powerlynching him if he FoSes me.

[Mathdino]

I'm currently thinking:

vig Anen, leave Pin alive, lynch either Mutant or jmo.

What if we lynch dino, then if he's town, vig anen, if he's scum, vig mutant or jmo.

Hey mutant what do you think of this post right here?

Fuck, man, I could literally lynch either of you. These Aneninen scumteams are ludicrous.

[mutantdevle]

I'm currently thinking:

vig Anen, leave Pin alive, lynch either Mutant or jmo.

What if we lynch dino, then if he's town, vig anen, if he's scum, vig mutant or jmo.

Hey mutant what do you think of this post right here?

Fuck, man, I could literally lynch either of you. These Aneninen scumteams are ludicrous.

To me, this is him saying to vig Anen.

If he was your scum buddy, it would be a call to get me or jmo killed. However, I don't see a world here where you'd ever flip scum.

So hence what he really means here is vig Anen - which from my PoV is him bussing but I'm guessing from your PoV you see this as evidence that Anen and TGP are not scum buddies.

[Mathdino]

Why would he bus Aneninen here when he could legit just say "I trust Dino's reads if he's town, so vig Pintu"?

[Mathdino]

don't wanna overgame but if a game ends soon or smth I'll join 718

Hey Gamma if you actually want to end a game soon you'll vote between mutant and Paradox.

We have them caught in a bus. The wait is tiresome.

[Gamma Emerald]

lmao good one
I want to ISO Pin real quick tho

[Gamma Emerald]

So from ISOing pin 2 things I want to make note of
1) Math is very likely town even if there's a mislynch today because of how Pin treated him
2) mutant is rather strongly suggested as Pin's partner, TGP weakly suggested, and Anen weakly anti-suggested.
VOTE: mutant

[Mathdino]

Something something I'm obviously not scum with Aneninen so this isn't a quickhammer, and Paradox claiming it is is basically a scumclaim.

VOTE: mutant

[Mathdino]

Paradox claiming it is is basically a scumclaim.

*If Paradox claims it is, he's basically scumclaiming.

[Mathdino]

Gamma, jail Paradox tonight. Obviously your death confs him as town and means we lynch Anen.

Upon no kill, we lynch Paradox and I guess you're free to jail me.

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Paradox

Nope, a couple things in Paradox's ISO are making me wary of him/Anen.

[Luca Blight]

I agree Mutant/Anen are very unlikely to be scum partners.

VOTE: Paradox

[Mathdino]

SOMEONE HAMMER THANK YOU

Gamma jail mutant if this flips scum

if this flips town, do what you want

[TheGoldenParadox]

KK so you're lynching town... that's nice
honestly I'm going to make no effort to defend myself, I'm town, do as y'all please

[Aneninen]

I'll catch up in a few hours.

[Mathdino]

That's game over. mutant confirmed not scum with Aneninen.

[Aneninen]

It's... 4v2 MyLo. 1 Town Jailkeeper, 1 Backup Rolecop, and 2 VTs vs Mafia Rolecop and Mafia Goon.
Is our best strategy today to lynch Anen or Mutant and try to get a successful protection or roleblock from Gamma tonight?

Umm... wait-oh.
From a town point of view this would make very little sense. We have Mathdino (very unlikely scum), Luca (conf-town), Aneninen (possible scum), Gamma (conf-town), Paradox (following a town point of view, town) and Mutant (possible scum). Which means, town only needs to lynch Aneninen or Mutant (either will flip scum unless Mathdino is scum, which is unlikely) and have Gamma block the other one. That would not be a

try

. That would be a

win

.

Whoever is scum obviously had a good idea NSG was vig - missing a pr would have basically been game over for scum at this point.

Which means, they must have rolecopped NSG at Night1. (Or at least, I think trying to find the Vig is much worse strategy than Nightkilling a known PR.)

NSG made a terrible shot

At least he's out of the lynch pool.

What I'm wondering is what kind of scumteam thinks vig is actually a bigger threat to them than jailkeeper.

What if they knew after Day2 either of them wouldn't be JK-ed? Assuming they found NSG at Night1, the Role Cop had no further use for them. It wasn't important any more who performs the Nightkill.

If it isn't obvious by VCA alone that the scumteam is literally {mutant, Paradox} idk what to tell you.

I can't see that at the VCA, but I can't imagine any other possibility. Unless you're scum with either of them. But I'm ignoring this possibility right now, because it's much less likely than Mutant and Paradox as scum team.

Aneninen is basically conftown from that alone. I refuse to believe pintu is THAT good at scum.
Pick whichever of mutant/Paradox you think I'm more likely to be partners with if you're not confident about me. Since I'm literally trying to prove I'm not scum with mutant, I'd figured that'd be him, but w/e.
Lynch mutant, jail Paradox. If there's a kill somehow, it's Aneninen vs me. If there's no kill, lynch Paradox.

I'm not conf-town. My situation is the same as yours, but from the other way around. So, (1) Luca should decide who's scummier, Mathdino or me and (2) vote for one of (Mutant, Paradox) who he thinks is more possible partner for (Mathdino, Aneninen).

Gamma who did you jail last night?

you
also wtf nsg?

I may be tinfoiled, but this fits the picture. Mutant performed the Nightkill then.

I also have no idea why they would rolecop NSG over me for example.
Granted, if the team is mutant/Paradox, I guess I'd expect them to make bad night actions.

Meta?

Aneninen was doing it so I figured "what the hell".

Our game had been over at that time.

Going on soon.

[Aneninen]

NSG made a terrible shot

It's mutant/Paradox, and

gammas jail tonight will give us the 1 mislynch to solve it

(referring to the bold).

Umm no, that's not how it works. If we lynch wrong today then we've as good as lost IMO. If today's lynch ends up as town then Gamma will have 3 players to potentially jail. Even though it's a 2/3 chance of jailing scum, only one of them is going to be performing the kill.

A town flip means Gamma's jail will decide the game with only a 1/3 chance of winning.

We shouldn't be so careless about this lynch.

I'm also not comfortable having the lynch be between myself and Paradox. Anen should be included in the pool as well.

I think you and TGP are both town but TGP less so; by PoE that must mean TGP is scum but I am far more confident in Anen and that's who I want lynched today.

I should basically be conf town once mutant flips scum

And when I don't flip scum it means the game is over.

Whut?
If we lynch town, the town has 1/3 chance. (By the way, it's not entirely true but I'm not telling you why.)
We shouldn't choose between you and Paradox.
If you don't lynch scum, the game is over.

This doesn't add up at all from a town point of view.
However, this kind of panic makes

perfect

sense if Mutant and Paradox are scum.

Why would you be unwilling to lynch Paradox then if you don't think Math/Anen is the scumteam?

!!!!!!!!

However, there's still the possibility that scum could A) slime their way out of it to win or B) you are also scum.

And this is how a scum tries to widen the lynch-pool to save himself

and

his buddy too.

had vig literally just been a named townie, we'd have lynched pintu D1, Jay D2, and mutant D3, leaving us in a better situation with fewer townies dead

At least it wasn't me who drew the Vig. Had it been so, we would have lost the game by now...

Pedit2: Okay, I'll take up your offer on sheeping you on Paradox. I guess I kinda owe it to you after ignoring what you said about A50. But if you're wrong about this then you have no right to ever tell me to sheep you again on my town reads in any future games.

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Voting for the scumbuddy unwillingly. That's what I can see here.

In the world where Anen and Math are scum, either of you voting will cause Anen to hammer and we'd lose.

It's way too late for preparing mislynches for next Day...

Also I don't particularly understand what Luca did to get to townlock status

Sigh... he claimed a town-PR and there was no counterclaim.

TGP, if you were town, you'd be voting Anen. From your town POV the scum team is either me and Anen or math and Anen. The common factor there being Anen.

Yeah, in your world I'm everyone's scum partner.

The hot shit I'm seeing is the TGP and Mutant were on me and A50, both wagons that were scum-motivated

Now I can see what Mathdino meant.

[Aneninen]

I want to check something else later but if you all think we should end the game, that's okay too.

[Mathdino]

You're confirmed town. Or at least confirmed not scum with me or mutant.

If you're scum, you're specifically scum with Paradox.

That means the possible scumteams are:
Paradox/Aneninen
Paradox/mutant
Paradox/Mathdino (which is disproved by me insisting on lynching him today even after Gamma picked mutant)
mutant/Mathdino (which is disproved by me having to remind NSG that mutant is scummy and needs to be vigged)

I don't think I need to tell you how to vote here.

[Mathdino]

Gamma, I and the rest of the town will be acting tomorrow as if you jailed mutant.

If you fail to jail mutant and die... that's gonna be a loss.

[Mathdino]

this obviously goes out the window if mutant flips town

because that would mean aneninen is afraid you'll jail correctly

[Mathdino]

*if Paradox flips town

[Aneninen]

Okay.
I've checked what I wanted.
(1) NSG hinted nothing about his Vig-Kill.
(2) Mathdino, on the other hand, suggested him Nightkilling Mutant.
(3) It was very likely that Gamma would JK Paradox.

(1) gives no information, but (2) and (3) tells us Mutant was performing the Nightkill because he was a possible Vig-Target. He didn't have to be afraid of getting JK-ed. That fits the "either scum didn't have to care about the JK but at least either of them had to be afraid of the Vig".

If it's Mathdino/Paradox, we'll still have some chance. If it's Mathdino/Mutant, f--- you. But that's the least likely version. But, everything, including the Nightkill, the VCA, their posts, etc. tells us the team must be Paradox/Mutant.

VOTE: GoldenParadox