Open 714: Tit for Tat [Game Over]

[mutantdevle]

I'm unvoting if I see a naked vote though because that usually means that there's a quick hammer inbound.

[Mathdino]

Pedit2: Okay, I'll take up your offer on sheeping you on Paradox. I guess I kinda owe it to you after ignoring what you said about A50. But if you're wrong about this then you have no right to ever tell me to sheep you again on my town reads in any future games.

this but applied to literally everyone in this game

my townreads this game were
A50: who y'all lynched
jmo: who NSG vigged
Creats: who got shot
Gamma: cleared by VCA, and was scummy by play because PRs play scummy
Paradox: who i literally only townread because he was softclaiming power role constantly throughout D1

i also scumread all the TPRs which is pretty par for the course for me

god-tier PoE

[Mathdino]

I'm unvoting if I see a naked vote though because that usually means that there's a quick hammer inbound.

This is inconsistent. What possible scumteams could quickhammer?

[mutantdevle]

Oh yeah

[mutantdevle]

@Gamma&Luca Only vote if you're absolutely certain. In the world where Anen and Math are scum, either of you voting will cause Anen to hammer and we'd lose.

[Mathdino]

You think Aneninen blows up at me like he did if I were bussing him

solely using PoE logic?

[mutantdevle]

You said earlier during the game that he likes to bus as scum. I'm assuming that means he's good at it?

I just think it's best to be cautious regardless; like I am cautious of you right now. I don't seriously think you are scum, but the only possibilities right now are that either you're right or you're scum. That's scary to think about. I'm nowhere near qualified to make an accurate distinction between those 2 so either Gamma or Luca HAS to be confident in making that distinction themselves.

[Mathdino]

I said he was WILLING to bus. Which Anen quickly clarified by noting that he was literally not the one bussing in the game I linked.

[mutantdevle]

I said he was WILLING to bus. Which Anen quickly clarified by noting that he was literally not the one bussing in the game I linked.

Oh, RIP. That reassures me a bit that you and Anen aren't buddies - not that that means much for the game state though.

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to go through things a bit more before choosing who to lynch
Also I don't particularly understand what Luca did to get to townlock status

[TheGoldenParadox]

KK. I am a vanilla townie.

[TheGoldenParadox]

VOTE: mutantdevle
If I accept to be lynched today, when I flip town, Gamma has one chance to block the NK. Jail mutant or anen, that's the scumteam. You have a 50% chance of stopping the kill, and it'll be lylo. It's a win from there - lynch mutant, then anen.
If you miss, then we lose.
Mutant is scum here. I'm town. I should think that is obvious considering my scum meta and my town meta.

[Mathdino]

I want to go through things a bit more before choosing who to lynch
Also I don't particularly understand what Luca did to get to townlock status

Claiming backup rolecop was a major element of that

VOTE: mutant

Wanted to see if Paradox would try to get out of lynching mutant, but yeah, mutant is more likely scum here.

[Gamma Emerald]

fuck I'm dumb
Yeah so I think if I can create a pair between (mutant/TGP/Anen) that is illogical I can break the game open

[Mathdino]

Then we're playing a game of "who isn't scum with Aneninen" because you're never gonna get me to lynch Anen today.

[Mathdino]

\My second thought is that I have read many games with GoldenParadox in them and have played with him too, and I think I can sort him pretty easily (I think I always got his role correct except for one time he fakeclaimed being VT). That being said, I'm gut townreading him for the way he has posted until now. I need more posts from him to townread him for real, but he is now in my top town tier.

This is a ridiculous ill-defined scumbuddy read.

[Mathdino]

I was pointing out that, by your logic, it would be more reasonable to go for someone who jumped on a wagon than someone whose wagon didn't get momentum because "scum didn't want to vote him". Aneni's case (as pointed out by Aneni himself) has no explanation at all, why would town jump there? Gamma's case, on the other hand, had some good arguments so it would be easier to jump there for scum. I'm not saying you are one of those scums; I'm actually thinking mutant could be scum on that jump and he had to build his case against him AFTER jumping and not BEFORE jumping. BUT, on my point of view, I can't get much information from that, as I am still scumleaning Gamma (not scumreading any more, tho).
So, my point is: could it be a better wagon than Aneni's wagon right now? What is it about Creature and A50 that you trust them so much? If you think scum jumped on the Gamma wagon, shouldn't a mutant wagon have more sense at this point?

Here we have pintu weighing the benefits of lynching Aneninen vs lynching mutant.

Look, we don't even need to rule out a scumteam, we can just assert that pintu is scum with Paradox.

Look at the wagon data and tell me Paradox isn't hilariously obvscum, ESPECIALLY SO if you're townreading me.

[Mathdino]

Intent to hammer.

@dino, fine. But tomorrow, no guarantees. I believe that you+A50+pintu is a very probable scumteam here based on rereading and interactions.

Paradox gives intent to hammer right after Jay does, TRIES TO PAIR SCUMPINTU WITH ME/A50, then retracts the hammer, hard defends pintu, and constantly calls on the vig to shoot me.

[Mathdino]

Can we realize that Pin said "for now," which is actually quite scummy?

I think he meant "for now" as in all he is doing 'for now' is claiming VT. I doubt he's going to come back and claim something else

Also, I'd be more comfortable lynching Anen after Pintu's flip.

HELLO

SCUM/SCUM INTERACTION RIGHT HERE

[mutantdevle]

Damn math, why you gotta be so flip-floppy? :/

TGP, if you were town, you'd be voting Anen. From your town POV the scum team is either me and Anen or math and Anen. The common factor there being Anen. Just like from my POV the scum team could only be you and Anen or math and Anen. So if you were town then that's who you'd be voting for.

If you'd also like to take a look back at your reads, you'd find you've never really scum read me but you have scum read Anen. So why, when you consider us both to be the last 2 scum, do you opt for the player your least confident with according to your own reads?

Clearly, out of myself and Anen, I am the most mislynchable. So, if you are scum with math (I don't actually consider this possible) you'd be using the fact that there is more support for me to choose to support lynching me over Anen. However, if Anen is your scum partner, you're not going to want to bus him so much anymore when it's a matter of winning or losing the game. Regardless, you are scum motivated.

So basically, thanks for the scum claim. You've fully reassured my vote on you.

[Mathdino]

Am I flip floppy?

I assert that the scumteam is mutant/Paradox. I'm obviously willing to lynch either.

Paradox scumflip clears me harder than a mutant scumflip so I suppose that's optimal, but given that I'm still objectively a suspect, I'll vote whichever of mutant/Paradox makes them most comfortable.

[Gamma Emerald]

jmo16mla

(4) ~

northsidegal, Mathdino

, TheGoldenParadox,

Luca Blight

jmo16mla

(4) ~

northsidegal, Creature, Gamma Emerald, JaydragonKing

RVS jmo wagon next to the policy jmo wagon.

Mathdino

(4) ~

JaydragonKing

, TheGoldenParadox,

Luca Blight, Gamma Emerald

Everyone ballsy enough to vote me.

northsidegal

(4) ~

Creature, Mathdino

, TheGoldenParadox,

JaydragonKing

northsidegal

(4) ~

JaydragonKing, Almost50, Mathdino, Luca Blight

Early pressure wagon next to the lategame lurker wagon.

Gamma Emerald

(6) ~

jmo16mla

,

Pinturicchio

,

Mathdino

, TheGoldenParadox, mutantdevle,

Luca Blight

The Gamma wagon, now confirmed to be partially scum motivated.

Pinturicchio

(6) ~

northsidegal

, mutantdevle,

Luca Blight, Mathdino, Almost50, JaydragonKing

The Pintu "lynch"wagon, with TheGoldenParadox's intent to hammer.

Aneninen (5) ~ TheGoldenParadox,

Mathdino, Luca Blight, Almost50, Gamma Emerald

Aneninen (6) ~

Almost50, JaydragonKing, Mathdino, Luca Blight

,

Pinturicchio

, mutantdevle
Aneninen (6) ~

Mathdino, Luca Blight, Almost50, Gamma Emerald

,

Pinturicchio

,

JaydragonKing

The many forms of the Aneninen wagon. All players who were on it are:
TheGoldenParadox,

Mathdino, Luca Blight, Almost50, Gamma Emerald, JaydragonKing

,

Pinturicchio

, mutantdevle.

mutantdevle (5) ~ Aneninen,

Gamma Emerald, Mathdino, Almost50, JaydragonKing

mutant counterwagon.

Almost50

(6) ~

Pinturicchio

,

JaydragonKing, Luca Blight

, mutantdevle, TheGoldenParadox,

Gamma Emerald

Shitshow of a lynch wagon.

Go to town, VCA enthusiasts.

Fixing this because Math's was missing some coloration
The hot shit I'm seeing is the TGP and Mutant were on me and A50, both wagons that were scum-motivated

[TheGoldenParadox]

From my POV it's either you and Anen or you and math.

[Mathdino]

Yup. Aneninen, if scum, was basically doing nothing for his wincon, with the sole exception of trying to bus/mislynch mutantdevle.

VOTE: Paradox

I think it's clear that one of mutant/Aneninen is scum. Them being scum together makes no sense with VCA.

[TheGoldenParadox]

From my POV, dino is town, so it's mutant/anen.