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Post Post #700 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:36 am

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Alright, finish me off without my self vote. That was me trying something to survive as town. Didn’t work. Onwards with my head.
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Post Post #701 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:36 am

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I am an elemental doctor, though.
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Post Post #702 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:30 am

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In post 697, Flavor Leaf wrote:So i actually have really good reads typically when I replace in, so i’ll leave the ones that stood out to me the most here for future reference.

Scum:

Almost50
Mathdino
Texcat

I don’t believe that both Math and Dino are scum, however.
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Ausuka
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Jaydragon
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Creature

I’m generally strong with my town reads early game.

Just food for thought.
Elsa and Jay can't be scum together either, ya know. Completely different people.
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Post Post #703 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:54 am

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In post 641, Mathdino wrote:
In post 637, Flavor Leaf wrote:Actually, I’m going to straight up claim. I’m one of the doctors.
Scum optimal strategy is to claim doctor and I STRONGLY disbelieve that Paradox would replace out of a TPR slot.
This.
In post 643, Mathdino wrote:nothing in lalendra's ISO suggests town
but then again nothing in lalendra's entire career suggests town
is anyone here actually capable of gutreading lalendra
That's going in my sig. And probably not.
In post 684, Ausuka wrote:
In post 637, Flavor Leaf wrote:Actually, I’m going to straight up claim. I’m one of the doctors.
Yay, more softclaims! Just what this game needed :D
That's a hard claim....

I really don't think that TGP would have given up so easily as a TPR, the claim isn't easy to disprove, and I don't see town motivation in highlighting the backup doc. Also not comfortable with the "I'm likely doc" followed up by a hard claim, I can't imagine replacing in and not reading the PM before posting. Also think he is trying to lure the tracker into getting a result on him because he plans to manipulate it and somehow convince us that the result makes him town.

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Post Post #704 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:16 am

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In post 701, Flavor Leaf wrote:I am an elemental doctor, though.
If you ARE somehow really a doctor, we don't blame you, but Paradox for being so shitty with the slot. Just to let ya know.
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Post Post #705 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:25 am

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In post 691, Mathdino wrote:I highly doubt the A50 wagon was all town (towns are not usually this bad, to wagon A50 for the reasons given), and I doubt the Paradox wagon was ever all town regardless of Paradox's alignment.
So do I.
In post 692, Mathdino wrote:Someone needs to explain the Shadpearl case outside of "Shad lacks charisma". Cuz I'm definitely not okay with that lynch.
In he was worried about your slot. (Only indicative if you're scum.) His vote for Almost in was terrible and sheeping Paradox (especially indicative if Paradox/Leaf is scum.) The question in is valid, but why did he added the sorry part?

In his he told he hadn't played that slow-paced games, however I don't see one week or two weeks for a Day is that big difference. (Neither of them is a rapid game.) Otherwise, a quite empty post about (1) his experience elsewhere, (2) uninformative on Creature (I guess plenty of players had posted about his playstyle by that time), (3) pushing Almost further, (4) talking about Paradox's avatar (!!! that sounds scum-scum pigeon poop), (5) uninformative on Lalendra (misspellt her name, if both Paradox and Shadpearl are scum, Lalendra might be the third one???), (6) asking me about Texcat (wow, big deal! I never understood why I had been asked about that more than about everything else, so yet again, no content), (7) telling Taly that his posts are long (still no scumhunting or whatever here), (8) minimal interaction with Sando (more than with anyone else), (9) terrible ending with explaining "let's lynch someone and make the game moving".
TL;DR: that was a long post about NOTHING!

In he unvoted Almost, but expressed that he'd go back there any time. Also, soft defending Paradox. (!!!) is empty again, with 2 (!) townreads in total. That's terrible, even compared to Aneninen's Quality Gameplay Package. More push on Almost. (Which was ridiculous at that point, it's clear we'd never lynch him Today.) More about almost in , is about "willing to hammer anyone" if I get it right. Anti-town at best.

Basically, he has done nothing, apart from pushing Almost further and soft-defending Paradox.
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Post Post #706 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:33 am

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In post 697, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t believe that both Math and Dino are scum, however.
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I don't get the other reads either.
In post 699, Flavor Leaf wrote:Oh, and Lalendra is town. Bet on it
Ummm... I know it's Day1 partner analysis, but most of you are used to the good old Aneninen kind of terrible Day1 gameplay. So, what if the scum team is Leaf/Shadpearl/Lalendra? (If either of the first two is town, Lalendra is town too, because I don't have a scumread on her outside of these speculations.)
In post 703, Lalendra wrote:I really don't think that TGP would have given up so easily as a TPR, the claim isn't easy to disprove, and I don't see town motivation in highlighting the backup doc. Also not comfortable with the "I'm likely doc" followed up by a hard claim, I can't imagine replacing in and not reading the PM before posting. Also think he is trying to lure the tracker into getting a result on him because he plans to manipulate it and somehow convince us that the result makes him town.
The same thing as I posted.
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Post Post #707 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:49 am

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In post 649, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Tracker - don’t claim, obvi, target me tonight. I guarantee you will see me target somewhere.

This confirms me as town, and if I don’t go anywhere, it confirms me as scum. Also, this adds the chance that I can die in the night thus getting rid of the problem all together.
Wait you claim one of the doctors, but if you're making an action tonight you're claiming full doctor. This sounds like replacing scum who knows he is going down so wants to get doctor to claim. We might as well wait a day and track him to see if he does make an action and if he's lying he'll probably be the one making the night kill.
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Post Post #708 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:55 am

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In post 707, JimmyUrineMoneyShot wrote:
In post 649, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Tracker - don’t claim, obvi, target me tonight. I guarantee you will see me target somewhere.

This confirms me as town, and if I don’t go anywhere, it confirms me as scum. Also, this adds the chance that I can die in the night thus getting rid of the problem all together.
Wait you claim one of the doctors, but if you're making an action tonight you're claiming full doctor. This sounds like replacing scum who knows he is going down so wants to get doctor to claim. We might as well wait a day and track him to see if he does make an action and if he's lying he'll probably be the one making the night kill.
This sounds like a scum plan to tie up the tracker for tonight
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Post Post #709 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:57 am

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Is flavor leaf awate he still has a vote on himself?

Null: Texcat, jaydragonking, havingfitz, sando

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Town: Kopherald, Almost50, JaydragonKing, creature, taly, lalendra, ausuka, profii

@profii you have a point, on second thought it sounds like a guarantee that flavor leaf is using an action tonight. So tracker don't track him, of course you'll see something
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Post Post #710 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:58 am

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Intent to hammer Flavour Leaf


pedit: Jimmy can you explain those reads please? Especially the Mathdino one.
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Post Post #711 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:00 am

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Let's just, like, not discuss PRs. We don't need to leash the tracker, and we don't need a plan. And IMO doc claims only muddy the water at this point.
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Post Post #712 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:19 am

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What happened?
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Post Post #713 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:35 am

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Jimmy decided to finally show up, Creature. Isn't that amazing?
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Post Post #714 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:39 am

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It should be.
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Post Post #715 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:40 am

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Flavor Leaf is caught scum?
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Post Post #716 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:47 am

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He keeps saying he's the elemental doctor. He also said something about his death proving the backup doctor? I thought that implied he was claiming the backup doctor, but he keeps saying he was gonna visit people so that can't be it.

Guess we all might as well look for associations for him I guess. We got about two days.
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Post Post #717 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:52 am

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Do we keep leaving elemental doctors until we get four elemental doctor claims?
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Post Post #718 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:52 am

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(though, I think Flavor is likely gambitting)
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Post Post #719 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:08 am

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In post 717, Creature wrote:Do we keep leaving elemental doctors until we get four elemental doctor claims?
That... Will hopefully not be a problems.
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Post Post #720 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:27 am

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Pretty sure scum will keep claiming elemental doctor.
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Post Post #721 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:28 am

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or atleast the first one to be forced to claim.
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Post Post #722 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:29 am

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creature what's your read on A50 then
because he wasn't forced to claim at all

and yeah you're basically correct, optimal scum claiming strategy is to have one doc claim

also fuck me up i need help townhunting
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Post Post #723 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:30 am

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Oh, your vote could end the day right this second, by the way Creature. And I have no reason to unvote. Just saying.
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Post Post #724 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:09 am

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In post 708, profii wrote:
In post 707, JimmyUrineMoneyShot wrote:
In post 649, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Tracker - don’t claim, obvi, target me tonight. I guarantee you will see me target somewhere.

This confirms me as town, and if I don’t go anywhere, it confirms me as scum. Also, this adds the chance that I can die in the night thus getting rid of the problem all together.
Wait you claim one of the doctors, but if you're making an action tonight you're claiming full doctor. This sounds like replacing scum who knows he is going down so wants to get doctor to claim. We might as well wait a day and track him to see if he does make an action and if he's lying he'll probably be the one making the night kill.
This sounds like a scum plan to tie up the tracker for tonight
Parrotting this.
In post 709, JimmyUrineMoneyShot wrote:@profii you have a point, on second thought it sounds like a guarantee that flavor leaf is using an action tonight. So tracker don't track him, of course you'll see something
Whut?
I don't think the Tracker need instructed right now.
And I must be a terrible player, I guess. I wasn't even included in the readlist above. However, I'd like to see some details on those reads.
In post 716, JaydragonKing wrote:Guess we all might as well look for associations for him I guess. We got about two days.
I've already done some.
In post 722, Mathdino wrote: and yeah you're basically correct, optimal scum claiming strategy is to have one doc claim

also fuck me up i need help townhunting
I guess that claim has already happened.
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