Open 712: Elemental Large (Mafia win)

[brassherald]

I don't take it personally, I got frustrated, to be honest, this situation was just the game. I need to be more level headed sometimes.

[Taly]

I don't take it personally, I got frustrated, to be honest, this situation was just the game. I need to be more level headed sometimes.

This thread is long overdue for a kitty gif.

[Something_Smart]

Taly you don't suck, you just need to be less confident. Made the game much more enjoyable for me when I figured that out

[Something_Smart]

Also... don't selfhammer as town.

That is not the proper vent for your frustration.

[Taly]

Taly you don't suck, you just need to be less confident. Made the game much more enjoyable for me when I figured that out

The thing is, I'm usually not confident much at all.

And now I'm being reminded why that wasn't really a bad thing...

[Taly]

To be honest, I dimmed down some of my doubtful thoughts in this game because I thought that would get me killed earlier.

[texcat]

Yeah, I was thinking texcat wasn't really town, and I didn't like their vote onto Kopherald

LOL. You spent all day trying to convince me to vote KopH, but you didn't like my vote!?

[Taly]

I don't think I'd characterize them as compellling. I just think they make a better case than Taly's NKA. (And I can hear Taly gnashing his teeth from way over here at my description of his case.)

I give up. We can lynch Fitz tomorrow.

VOTE: KopHerald

I believe that's L-1.

I mean, you went a bit far as to say that my case wasn't that great without much stated reasoning... and when that didn't discourage me, you threw a vote to push

Kopherald

to L-1, while saying we should go after

havingfitz

tomorrow.

If you believed that there was a better option, why did you submit to my thoughts?

You could've expanded on your own.

[davesaz]

Official Vote Count 4.4

Kopherald (2) - Taly, Ausuka, havingfitz, texcat, Kopherald [LYNCH]
texcat (1) - Almost50

Not Voting (3) - Something_Smart, Shadpearl

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[davesaz]

After a slow and frustrating day, Kopherald decided they couldn't fight the town any longer.

Kopherald,

Vanilla Town

,

has been lynched!

Night 4 begins, and I'll be V/LA until noon my time on Sunday so I'll set that as the deadline.

(expired on 2018-04-22 12:00:00)

[davesaz]

Overnight only one of you has been lost.

Ausuka has been killed, he was

Vanilla Town

.

Official Vote Count 5.1

Not voting (6) - Taly, havingfitz, texcat, Almost50, Something_Smart, Shadpearl

(expired on 2018-05-06 17:00:00)

[Taly]

So... this may or may not be mylo. I'm going to treat it like it is.

I'm not doing another NKA at this moment; I'm still a bit sad about everything revolving around D4, especially the aftermath. :/ Not that impressed with my gameplay either.

texcat

, I still full-heartedly expect you to answer 1432.

We need more engagement from both

havingfitz

and

Shadpearl

.

[texcat]

texcat, I still full-heartedly expect you to answer 1432.

Why didn't I push Fitz harder? I didn't see it going anywhere. You didn't seem like you were going to change your mind. Ausuka plainly stated twice that they weren't going to change. Plus, I was scum reading Kop, just not as strong a read as I had on Fitz.

[texcat]

VOTE: Fitz

[Taly]

texcat, I still full-heartedly expect you to answer 1432.

Why didn't I push Fitz harder? I didn't see it going anywhere. You didn't seem like you were going to change your mind. Ausuka plainly stated twice that they weren't going to change. Plus, I was scum reading Kop, just not as strong a read as I had on Fitz.

I mean, I was wanting people to elaborate on any reason they would rather not lynch

Kopherald

... or why they'd think someone else was more likely scum.

I wasn't convinced by people because the majority of everyone's response to me last dayphase was:

"

Taly

is confbiasing"
"The NKA argument is not compelling at all."
"Does this really give

Taly

a pass in alignment?"
"You're bad at scumhunting"
"I like this"

I can't work with people if they make blanket statements and assume shit without trying to understand my whole perspective first.

By the way, why

WASN'T

my NKA-D4 not compelling to you?

VOTE: Fitz

You've been on the

Flavor Leaf

lynch. 742
The

JimmyUrineShot

lynch. 1011
The

profii

lynch. 1236

((By the way,

profii's

actually the only person out of these 4 that have genuinely attempted vote/push you. 895 - 902 - 979))

...and also the

Kopherald

lynch. 1433

Is this

really

how you want to start out this dayphase - a potential mylo scenario - give you've been on 3 out of 4 mislynches? Does that tell you anything about your reads or gameplay?

[Taly]

If this is

texcat

and

havingfitz's

typical townplay, then I'm recommending they tweak their meta... a good bit.

And to be honest, I though more people than

texcat and I

would be posting in the thread by this point.

But I mean,

texcat

posted in a REPLY to me, so.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Taly]

Shadpearl's

at lurker status to me at this point.

[Almost50]

VOTE: texcat

Not all tunnels are bad. Some tunnels

are

on scum

[texcat]

By the way, why

WASN'T

my NKA-D4 not compelling to you?

I thought we discussed NKA ad nauseum yesterday. NKA is suspect because it is so easily manipulated by scum. It's entirely WIFOM. I don't think I'll ever find it

compelling

. What's your take on A50 still being alive?

I went back to look at all the votes.
Texcat:

FlavorLeat, Jimmy,

Profii

,

KopHerald

Almost50:

FlavorLeaf, Jimmy,

Profii

, Texcat
Taly:

JayDragon

, NV,

Profii

,

KopHerald

Fitz:

KopHerald, Jimmy,

NV,

KopHerald

Shadpearl: NV,

Jimmy,

Profii

, NV
Something:

FlavorLeaf,

Profii

, NV, NV

I didn't see anything of particular note, but perhaps someone will. LUV voted Profii on D2, but was not on the lynch D3.

[Taly]

VOTE: texcat

Not all tunnels are bad. Some tunnels

are

on scum

Can you give me your reads/thoughts on

Something_Smart, Shadpearl, and havingfitz

?

By the way, why

WASN'T

my NKA-D4 not compelling to you?

I thought we discussed NKA ad nauseum yesterday. NKA is suspect because it is so easily manipulated by scum. It's entirely WIFOM. I don't think I'll ever find it

compelling

.

I don't recall you elaborating your thoughts on NKA in general on this subject, you just stated that my case wasn't compelling.

And while NKA's aren't often certain, they do provide possible realities to look into based on a flip. It's a good tool to use when there's an abundance of information imo.

What's your take on A50 still being alive?

Almost50

is just about

IC-level

to me, to be honest.

There's no CC, there's nothing to suggest anyone else is the Doc, or if

Almost50

is lying.

I just think

Almost50

is still alive to create WIFOM, and scum wants town to suspect him for still being here.

It'd be stupid for town to even try to disprove/suspect/lynch

Almost50

today, I'm entirely against suspicion on him.

Townhunting is just as important as scumhunting; and

Almost50

is my most confident townread.

I went back to look at all the votes.
Texcat:

FlavorLeat, Jimmy,

Profii

,

KopHerald

Almost50:

FlavorLeaf, Jimmy,

Profii

, Texcat
Taly:

JayDragon

, NV,

Profii

,

KopHerald

Fitz:

KopHerald, Jimmy,

NV,

KopHerald

Shadpearl: NV,

Jimmy,

Profii

, NV
Something:

FlavorLeaf,

Profii

, NV, NV

I didn't see anything of particular note, but perhaps someone will. LUV voted Profii on D2, but was not on the lynch D3.

I do see something particular based on this information.

Havingfitz

only cares about town-wagon/lynches, mostly his tunnel on

Kopherald,

and you care about scum when they suspect you. You haven't really tried to avoid any

popular

wagon in this game.

[Almost50]

Can you give me your reads/thoughts on

Something_Smart, Shadpearl, and havingfitz

?

Town, Town, Scum (but only by PoE)

S_S: I thought doom was scummy af. However, Dino was very town (and he did direct the shot at Jay). Minor chance this is the SK but if so then why argue Shad is conf!Town when that's a mislynch he probably would need to for the win?

Shad: I understand Dino's reasoning to assert this is a town slot. I was skeptical to accept it until Dino got force replaced. In my mind you don't force replace someone for being manipulative. You do so for

truthfully

referencing another ongoing game.

So, it's texcat and Having for me, but I am more confident in texcat (meta, not just PoE) and I am afraid everyone will let her live after I'm gone.

[Taly]

Almost50

, I feel like we are a 2-slot hydra right now.

I agree with your reads on the slots, I'm just least sure about

Shadpearl

, but I think he's an easy mislynch target.

As long as I'm alive, the lynch order is:

{texcat, havingfitz}

- and I think this wins us the game.

But, there are 2 things keeping me from voting at the moment-

1)

...I said this with

Kopherald

/havingfitz

D4... and we know how that ended. So I'm being careful, and less tunnel-y at the moment.

2)

Ideally, I want

Something_Smart, Shadpearl, and havingfitz

to post.

My engagement with

texcat

this dayphase has only reaffirmed my suspicions/scumread on her in Twilight-of-D4.

[Something_Smart]

Right this game is a thing.

Agree with Taly town, and if A50 is uncc'd doc then that makes him town. (Though I am wondering why he isn't dead yet.) What's the reasoning on Shadpearl town though? Because if Mathdino did reference ongoing games (about which I would be less than shocked), that's a force-replace no matter the truth or correctness of the statement.

[Almost50]

He did, so look it up and try to figure out what he was saying on your own.

[Taly]

Outside of

Mathdino's

thing, I still think

Shadpearl

is more likely a mislynch target either way. He's been a NV for 2 ending dayphases... that doesn't ring to me as scum, initially. I kind of feel like his play is still more likely new-towny.

Almost50

is not dead because scum probably wants us to question why he isn't. That's my thinking. Kind of curious about what

texcat

thinks of

Almost50

being alive.

Something_Smart

, is

texcat

or

havingfitz

more likely scum to you? Where would you most want to place a vote or lynch right now?

I'm leaning

texcat

.

Town needs to be in sync ASAP.