Open 715 - White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Russian Roulette]

@RussianRoulette - Specifically MathDino - Can you explain why Klick's replace out is potentially scum indicative? I'm assuming that it has something to do with Korina's behavior since that was the big thing that happened before the replace out.

If Korina flips scum, Klick is basically confirmed scum, replacing out after his buddy pulled a suicidal stunt like that.

Otherwise, I just think Klick replaced out for not wanting to play scum. Neither he nor Vijarada have done anything of note. Had Vij towned up the slot, I'd be wavering, but right now I think the slot needs to be lynched at some point.

[Korina]

Ok, if I ever go over on the amount of scum-reads I have, it means that I find all of them scummy. Does that mean that I think all of them are fucking scum? No, it just means I find all of them scummy, and I would suspect that they will flip scum.

That's it.

Also, my reasoning is because of gambit-reaction test.

That's all you guys are getting from me.
Also, side-note, if you guys actually wanted to fix the problem, you'd try to help come up with a better way of me playing, not just fucking PLing me because you're fucking sick of my shit.

That's why I keep doing gambits, because well, if I'm gonna be PL'd no matter what I fucking do, I may as well fucking have some goddamn fun with it before I get PL'd.

Fuckers.

Tbh, the only people I actually like here is Almost, Red and Shad (mainly because pfp), and maybe Athena. Everyone else is awful imo.

P-Edit: I flip green unless this game is bastard and I'm death miller.

[Korina]

So, y'know, just a thought.

[Russian Roulette]

@Almost50 or @RussianMath

- Why is Alchemist scummy?

His ISO:
1. confirm
2. RVS
3. backup mod
4. backup mod
5. backup mod
6. do our RVS votes count
7. i don't like korina's self-vote, Cult is likely town
8. i was hoping our RVS votes count
9. A50's method is flawed
10. misinterpreting A50's method
11. shadpearl is trying to buddy me
12. sheep A50's logic on town Cult
13. no reason for shad to defend me, also i could lynch korina
14. why is klick's replace-out AI
15. vote korina
16. korina's reaction test is bullshit
17. why would you gamethrow
18. why is RR scumreading people on-wagon, who's scum off it
19. IF DINO IS SCUM THEN YOURE PLAYING INTO HIS HANDS BY VOTING ME
20. L-1 notifier

how the flying fuck
is this ISO townish at all
the reads are:
Cult-town
Shadpearl-scum
Korina-lynchable
Mathdino-IF HE'S SCUM THEN HE'S DANGEROUS
what

And I will repeat.. I do no SR/TR Alch on his own. I have him as likely connected to you, and I want YOU lynched. If Dino won't help me lynch you then I might as well help him lynch his prime suspect, and if that flips Red then I'll have your head served on a silver platter.

Now what if Alch flips Town,, you might ask? Nothing. I'd still SR you for the same reason I explained, and would want you lynched.

You think the following posts one after the other are aligned?

Really? Thought there was more.

VOTE: Korrina

VOTE: Korina

I honestly don't think Ghost is scum anymore.

I think you're putting too much trust in Dino and if he's scum you're playing right into his hands.

fucking lol at this post
lynch this

- Mathdino

[AnonymousGhost]

Side note: we

shouldn't

have to fix the problem you created. Multiple people complained and ask you to shape up and every time you created a post you had to opportunity to improve. Did you take it? No.

People even gave you suggestions on how to improve - Flub and Russian IIRC -, but you either ignored them or didn't see their suggestions.

[Russian Roulette]

Also, my reasoning is because of gambit-reaction test.

That's all you guys are getting from me.
Also, side-note, if you guys actually wanted to fix the problem, you'd try to help come up with a better way of me playing, not just fucking PLing me because you're fucking sick of my shit.

That's why I keep doing gambits, because well, if I'm gonna be PL'd no matter what I fucking do, I may as well fucking have some goddamn fun with it before I get PL'd.

Fuckers.

Stop playing mafia.

Half the game wasn't going to lynch you until you claimed scum.

If gamethrowing is "goddamn fun".

Stop. Playing. Mafia.

- Mathdino

[Korina]

I didn't see it in that case. Also, I'm not saying that you guys have to fix it, I'm saying it'd be nice if you guys at least

tried

to help fix it, that'd solve the problem easily.

P-Edit: I gamethrow half the time because I know literally when I start the game, I'm the d1 lynch. I always know that. Why would I try to seriously play a game when I fucking know no matter what I fucking do, I will be lynched because policy, the worst fucking reason to lynch someone?

I literally say anytime me and my friends play mafia, that if you're lynching someone, you better have a good reason apart from policy because if it is policy, I'll modkill you for it. The only exception to that rule is if started from RVS wagon. Why? Because then someone lolhammered. Always.

[Korina]

Also, I'd like to point out, why the fuck would legit scum claim scum in this setup?
Like, please explain that reasoning. It literally means I'm either jester, or trying to keep all attention off of me, and in this game, it would fucking mean I'm not scum, and I'm sure as fucking not jester.

[AnonymousGhost]

We aren't responsible for how you play the game. You're the one in the driver's seat.

If you know you're the D1 lynch out of policy, then that should be a sign that you should reevaluate your play style.

[Almost50]

@Pearl:

Would you rather any of

J

ohn

C

ena,

J

immy

C

arter or

J

eff

C

avaliere instead??

[Russian Roulette]

WTF

Anyways, good lynch I think. I will try to be more active tomorrow.

-Releasing Factor

[Almost50]

@Dino:
- They both supported your co-mod notion in succession
- They both questioned my "new method"
- They both voted Shadpearl
- They both voted Korina
- yet they never interacted with each other

It feels like a duo song where one sings half the verse and the other compliments it with the other have.

[Almost50]

@RussianRoulette - Specifically MathDino - Can you explain why Klick's replace out is potentially scum indicative? I'm assuming that it has something to do with Korina's behavior since that was the big thing that happened before the replace out.

If Korina flips scum, Klick is basically confirmed scum, replacing out after his buddy pulled a suicidal stunt like that.

Otherwise, I just think Klick replaced out for not wanting to play scum. Neither he nor Vijarada have done anything of note. Had Vij towned up the slot, I'd be wavering, but right now I think the slot needs to be lynched at some point.

Why didn't you bloody say something there earlier? I could've totally supported a lynch on Vij (and more so than one on Alch tbh)

[Almost50]

Warnin: DO not open the spoiler if you suffer from constipation!

Spoiler: Readlist

Flubbernugget

Quick Maker
Klick/Vijarada
Bellaphant
Russian Roulette
AnonymousGhost
havingfitz
Alchemist121

Quick Maker

Klick/Vijarada
Bellaphant
Russian Roulette
AnonymousGhost

havingfitz

Alchemist121

Klick/Vijarada

Bellaphant
Russian Roulette
AnonymousGhost

+

havingfitz

Alchemist121

Bellaphant

Russian Roulette

+

+

AnonymousGhost
havingfitz
Alchemist121

Russian Roulette

AnonymousGhost
havingfitz

Alchemist121

AnonymousGhost

+

havingfitz
Alchemist121

+

[Russian Roulette]

Also, I'd like to point out, why the fuck would legit scum claim scum in this setup?
Like, please explain that reasoning. It literally means I'm either jester, or trying to keep all attention off of me, and in this game, it would fucking mean I'm not scum, and I'm sure as fucking not jester.

GIVE ME A BREAK.

That EXACT logic has been used on this site countless times by scum. Scum will claim scum knowing that people would be afraid to lynch there. That's why you don't claim scum.

@RussianRoulette - Specifically MathDino - Can you explain why Klick's replace out is potentially scum indicative? I'm assuming that it has something to do with Korina's behavior since that was the big thing that happened before the replace out.

If Korina flips scum, Klick is basically confirmed scum, replacing out after his buddy pulled a suicidal stunt like that.

Otherwise, I just think Klick replaced out for not wanting to play scum. Neither he nor Vijarada have done anything of note. Had Vij towned up the slot, I'd be wavering, but right now I think the slot needs to be lynched at some point.

Why didn't you bloody say something there earlier? I could've totally supported a lynch on Vij (and more so than one on Alch tbh)

Because Alchemist is more independently scummy, and Klick is more a "confscum dependent on Korina who'll probably get flipped anyway".

I literally put Klick second in my lynch order, I don't think you commented on that.

If Korina flips scum: Lynch Klick, gg. If game not over, lynch someone on the Korina wagon.

If Korina flips town: Lynch Alchemist.

If Alchemist flips scum: Lynch Ghost, I'm good with this.

If Alchemist flips town:
Vijarada --> Flubber --> Quick Maker --> Bellaphant

I don't think we get that many lynches, but if I die, follow this, and if I'm alive... I'll still be following this.

[Flubbernugget]

Warnin: DO not open the spoiler if you suffer from constipation!

Spoiler: Readlist

Flubbernugget

Quick Maker
Klick/Vijarada
Bellaphant
Russian Roulette
AnonymousGhost
havingfitz
Alchemist121

Quick Maker

Klick/Vijarada
Bellaphant
Russian Roulette
AnonymousGhost

havingfitz

Alchemist121

Klick/Vijarada

Bellaphant
Russian Roulette
AnonymousGhost

+

havingfitz

Alchemist121

Bellaphant

Russian Roulette

+

+

AnonymousGhost
havingfitz
Alchemist121

Russian Roulette

AnonymousGhost
havingfitz

Alchemist121

AnonymousGhost

+

havingfitz
Alchemist121

+

Are you saying your reads are shit

[Flubbernugget]

I owe this thread actual content. No clue when. Can hopefully write another wall in the night phase.

[Almost50]

Are you saying your reads are shit

GOOD ONE!

[Bellaphant]

I'm finally not traveling. I'll read overnight. Sorry.

[TheButtonmen]

Vote Count 1.7

Almost50 (0):

Korina (7): CultOfAthena, Alchemist121, AnonymousGhost, Vijarada, Flubbernugget, Not_Mafia, Korina

Flubbernugget (0):
Shadpearl (0):
Quick Maker (1): havingfitz
Not_Mafia (1): Quick Maker
CultOfAthena (0):
Vijarada (0):
Bellaphant (0):
Russian Roulette (0):
AnonymousGhost (1): Shadpearl
havingfitz (0):
Alchemist121 (2): Russian Roulette, Almost50

Not Voting

: Bellaphant, Korina,

With 13 alive it is 7 to lynch.

[TheButtonmen]

Korina has been lynched!

They were a

Vanilla Townie

, it is now Night One.

Day 2 begins in 48 hours.

[TheButtonmen]

Russian Roulettehas been shot!

They were a

Vanilla Townie

, it is now Day Two.

Day 2 ends April 8th!

[AnonymousGhost]

VOTE: Shadpearl - 3 out of the 4 people in your lynchpool in 261 are based off of a difference in play style. Two out of those three, you've never interacted with them in order to get a better read on them.

[Almost50]

Stupid play by Mathdino. I only bloody kept you as a theoretical suspect in my reads an attempt to keep you alive, but you had to do a road chart to victory that made you the prime target for the NK regardless.

The worst part is I dunno whether to follow your plan or not now, because that kill could have very well been done by someone not in your immediate lynch pool to WIFOM it all. *Sigh*

I somehow don't want to lynch Alch now (because of that NK) as I know he isn't that stupid.

However, if AG was Scum with Alch that might be it. If AG Scum and Alch Town Scum would have let Dino execute his plan, get a green flip on Alch and make AG less likely a lynch.

If Vij is Scum and Alch is Town it is still a bad NK because if we do lynch Alch and he flips green the plan is to lynch Vij next, but Scum may have banked on an Alch green flip to discredit the plan itself, seeing as Dino was most confident in Alch flipping red.

This is as close as I can get to solving the game for the time being, so if someone has anything to build on it (or anything to correct or bring up) please do.

VOTE: Vijarada

[Almost50]

VOTE: Shadpearl - 3 out of the 4 people in your lynchpool in 261 are based off of a difference in play style. Two out of those three, you've never interacted with them in order to get a better read on them.

This is actually a good point on face value, but I think we have established Shad to be confirmed Town for "unspecified reasons". Come to Vij instead.

P.S. If nobody objects or brings a different view to my NKA I'm tentatively going to remove both AG & Alch from the lynch pool, and move Alch to "unlikely Scum" status. I'll reiterate my take:

Scum Alch+Scum AG would NOT kill Dino here. They're both good enough to leave him alive and WIFOM it all as "why would we let you live with us both in your immediate lynch pool and you being the town leader".

Scum Alch+Town AG has also the same effect. Basically Alch would not kill Dino with Dino stating Alch is the correct lynch, but rather WIFOM it all. However, this may have been done to ensure a mislynch on AG.

We are 8 vs 3, so even if Alch is lynched and flips red scum are banking on a mislynch and 2 NKs >> 5 vs 2
Still not a likely plan for them since it would actually be LyLo for THEM is this setup.

Town Alch+Scum AG also wouldn't kill Dino as the plan says Scum Alch = lynch AG, and if AG was Scum and knows Alch to be town it was a good plan for scum to get a mislynch and get away with it.

This leaves me with Town Alch + Town AG as the most likely scenario. Scum would still kill Dino here in hopes we lynch Alch anyway.

Any objections?