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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:42 pm

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In post 173, Shadpearl wrote:Also, I don't think light posting at the beginning of the game is necessarily bad (yes, I know, I'm a pot). But maybe Alchemist just has nothing helpful to say yet?
Certainly possible, but to me it seems as if he's had opportunities but hasn't taken them. For example, he talked a bit about A50's partner method but didn't really make any comment about what it means for the game, just about the mechanics of the method itself.

"SR" means "scumread". Do you have any of your own?
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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:12 pm

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In post 170, CultOfAthena wrote:I think I understand A50's method right now, but I have to wonder at the efficacy of making it publicly clear that you'll be looking very closely for associative tells this early in the game – it seems fairly likely to me to serve as a "wake up call" to scum to look less aligned. The White Flag gambit exists for a reason.
If I didn't put it up in public beforehand you all would be wondering where I'm coming from when I decide to vote X or clear Y based on Z's flip, and I would have to go back to try and find why and where I decided X/Y was/wasn't scum with Z. This way it is all documented for anyone who would just ISO me, and even if I get lynched or NK'd it is there to easily wade through and refer to if needs be.

I am mainly doing it for my own sake, so as not to have to reread the thread or ISO people everytime I am asked a question. That's why I'll be putting the lists in spoilers (so if anyone is not interested they can just skip it)

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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:21 pm

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In post 173, Shadpearl wrote:@Almost50 ....I don't know what SR means and Mafia Wiki won't tell me... ( . .)
TR = Town Read
SR = Scum Read

Also the bottom have of makes me lean Town on Cult. I have not actually verified the details, but I don't see scum going through the trouble (or even thinking of coming up with that) to appear like they're scum hunting.

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(Question in 167 is too tough to ask a buddy. If anythin it could be an attempt to corner fitz and set him for a lynch IF QM are scum, which I still think they aren't)
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:24 pm

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I meant post # for CoA

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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:15 pm

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Vote Count 1.4

Almost50 (0):
Korina (1): Flubbernugget
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Shadpearl (2): AnonymousGhost, Almost50
Quick Maker (1): Korina
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Bellaphant (0): Russian Roulette
Russian Roulette (2): Not_Mafia, Klick
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Alchemist121 (1): CultOfAthena

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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:16 pm

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In post 165, Klick wrote:
Replacing out.
I... didn't quite realize what I was signing up for with this particular game.
Noted

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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:25 pm

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VOTE: Shadpearl

Your soft defense of me feels off, like you're trying to buddy me or defend an easy push. Scummiest thing I've seen so far in this game.
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:28 pm

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In post 177, Almost50 wrote:
In post 173, Shadpearl wrote:@Almost50 ....I don't know what SR means and Mafia Wiki won't tell me... ( . .)
TR = Town Read
SR = Scum Read

Also the bottom have of makes me lean Town on Cult. I have not actually verified the details, but I don't see scum going through the trouble (or even thinking of coming up with that) to appear like they're scum hunting.

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(Question in 167 is too tough to ask a buddy. If anythin it could be an attempt to corner fitz and set him for a lynch IF QM are scum, which I still think they aren't)
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In post 178, Almost50 wrote:I meant post # for CoA
I agree with you here. I don't think I've ever seen scum bother to check timestamps for something like this.
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:38 am

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@Shapearl - What's your read on Athena? Your reason to unvote is weak because Athena had already provided some in depth and thoughtful posts before your joke vote. I would normally assume you no longer scum read her, but your reason to vote for her in the first place throws that out the window.
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:57 am

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In post 151, Russian Roulette wrote:Korina: I liked how he tried to create chaos since we are in a mountainous game and our only way leave RVS is starting an argument. Medium Town
Honestly, yea, in this set-up the only real way out of RVS is to start an argument. That's true in any game actually, but this one is more true than others, since we (at first) thought it was infinite phase until majority was reached.
In post 166, Flubbernugget wrote:Self hammers on mylo/lylo...My first thought was "what are the ethics on pushing a player towards a policy mod kill?" My second was that I'm not really opposed to them being lynched on policy since I think they're scum anyway.

In addition, whatever it is you're doing with your reads almos50, I have no intent to follow it at all.
Like I said, if I feel my lynch is inevitable, I will always self-hammer. This doesn't apply to Mylo/Lylo. Bring me down to L-1 anywhere, anytime, I'll self-hammer. Period. Yes, I know it's anti-town, but a lot of the time, I'm just... annoyed. Why would I want to linger around when the town made it clear they think I'm scum?
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In post 133, Almost50 wrote:I wanted to comment on this: If Korina did NOT check his PM card then how come he came to the thread to CONFIRM as per what the PM said? It doesn't make sense. Does it?
That's two people now who've misinterpreted what I said there – the essence of what I was trying to say was that anything said after you've looked at your role PM can potentially be alignment-indicative. Saying that just because it was in the confirmation stage that there can't be any reads is silly.

To call back to my irl experience, I always do this. Doesn't matter if I'm Town, Mafia, or Neutral. I will
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be the one person who at first says "No, I didn't read my rolecard! The (card name) is (impossible to roll role), right?" It's NAI for me. I'm a very joke-y person. In my classes, I literally do things like when the teacher asks "who isn't here?" I raise my hand to signify that I'm not here.

We also use a deck of normal playing cards for irl mafia.
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UNVOTE: CultofAthena

Reasoning : Post #170. Ooooo! So thoughtful!
What?

Also, side-note: I have no idea what you're trying to do Almost, it's actually confusing for me to figure out. I'm just gonna ignore it and let you have fun with your own thing.

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RR and Flub are bearable, (nullish)
Cult seems good. (town-y)
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:58 am

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I'll make a formal reads list at some later point, but everyone else I haven't listed I suppose could be town, but currently are hovering around null.
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:20 am

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@Almost50 - what's with the + behind someone's name?
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:11 am

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@Mod - Prod Not_Mafia? It's been over 2 days since he last posted.
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:26 am

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VOTE: Quick Maker
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:44 am

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In post 186, AnonymousGhost wrote:@Almost50 - what's with the + behind someone's name?
More likely to be scum with the list top name.

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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:15 am

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NM, instead of randomly naked voting people, can you please explain that, because it seems really scummy of you to be doing that.
I'm not sure who's scummier here, NM or QM.
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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:42 am

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In post 190, Korina wrote:NM, instead of randomly naked voting people, can you please explain that, because it seems really scummy of you to be doing that.
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:08 pm

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Well... my vote on CultofAthena
was
mostly a joke vote responding to Russian wanting votes so there isn't much to defend about it? haha I didn't really have anyone on my radar so one vote was as good as another. CultofAthena getting a little excited to explain her reasoning doesn't seem scummy to me though, so she moved up from 'neutral' to 'positive'.

I'm not gonna fight too hard with reading Almost50 and Korina. I recognize when someone is playing above my level x) I'll let you smarter people figure them out.

@Post #181
I don't think anyone in these games wants to be 'buddies'. We're all here to kill each other off peacefully, lol. -That being said, I see it more as tapping the breaks on a runaway train. Alchemist's posts just... don't have anything to them. Nothing good, but nothing really suspicious either. Aren't there better people to be focused on? These day phases last so long. I don't want to spend 6 days chasing a non-active who won't do too much. x_x 'Course, that's just me. Ya'll probably know better than I, haha.

Hey, Fitz?
Did you have anyone you wanted to vote?

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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:13 pm

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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:15 pm

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In post 187, AnonymousGhost wrote:
@Mod - Prod Not_Mafia? It's been over 2 days since he last posted.
Prods go out at 72 hours as per the ruleset.
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:24 pm

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In post 193, TheButtonmen wrote:
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Accurate. Confirm.
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:44 am

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In post 192, Shadpearl wrote:what do you think of Quickmaker? Have you read hydras before? Do you have any tips? >~<
Quick maker is currently nullish town right now. I need to take a look at their posts again for motive.

Interact with them - regardless if they're a hydra or not.
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:42 pm

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Why bis this game going so slow? Is it because of St Patrick's??

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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:52 pm

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Fuck it, Red's not posting, I'd rather not have the learning experience be "the game completely lurks out on D1".

Red and I both agree that Bella's whole "lack of scumreads but a bunch of lightly justified townreads" shtick is scum indicative. He thinks it's because people with lots of townreads are trying to pocket people; personally, I just don't see enough effort from Bella to sort people or make waves to really jive with her apparent PoE strategy. I think scum have the tendency to PoE themselves out of good scumreads (they read townies as town).

I'd like to see more votes on Bellaphant.

Shadpearl is a bad wagon, that post screams newbtown. Alchemist on the other hand can't seem to tell the difference between "How To Read Mafiascum Users 101" and "How To Read Total Newbies 101".

Lastly, I think Korina's alignment is actually fairly informative, especially given that page or two of reactions to the self-hammering business. Specifically the associations we can draw from
- People pleading with Korina to not play like shit
- People trying to get Korina modkilled
- People trying to get Korina to replace out
I'll leave that exercise to the reader.

Mathdino approved wagons: Korina (policy/information), Bellaphant, Alchemist

Honourable mention: AnonymousGhost

Let's consolidate votes, people. The reason this game is sputtering it is the lack of wagons. There's no stakes.
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:57 pm

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In post 184, Korina wrote:I don't like: QM, NM and Shad. (scum-leans)
RR and Flub are bearable, (nullish)
Cult seems good. (town-y)
Everyone else is ok, I guess. (nullish/town)
This is the most surface level reads list I've ever seen.

Literally all of these scumleans are lynchbaity players.

Korina, you don't get to pull a gambit to leave RVS and then do nothing but talk about yourself all game. If you're gonna make waves, make something of it. Otherwise you're even more disposable than standard self-hammerers.

In other news, I think Klick's replace-out is potentially alignment indicative (although dependent on some other alignments). Discuss.
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